Harry Braun discusses the Phoenix Project for converting America from oil dependence to hydrogen-based energy. Braun examines the technical feasibility of transitioning to hydrogen economy using renewable energy sources. The conversation explores the environmental and economic benefits of abandoning fossil fuels for clean hydrogen power. Braun discusses the political obstacles preventing implementation despite available technology for hydrogen transition. The discussion addresses the urgency of ending oil dependence and avoiding catastrophic climate change. Braun examines the infrastructure changes required including hydrogen production, storage, and distribution systems. The broadcast explores resistance from energy industries invested in maintaining fossil fuel dominance. Braun discusses the timeline for achieving hydrogen economy and what political will could accomplish. The conversation addresses the costs of transition versus the costs of continuing fossil fuel dependence. Braun examines what preventing the hydrogen transition reveals about political and corporate power versus technological possibility.