Art Bell speaks with Australian metaphysicist Robert Bruce about out-of-body experiences, psychic self-defense, and the nature of entities that inhabit dimensions beyond ordinary perception. Robert describes a hierarchy of negative beings ranging from harmless "astral wildlife" to dangerous evil spirits and demons, explaining how they feed on human life force by first inducing fear to lower natural defenses.

The conversation takes a harrowing turn when Robert recounts his own possession experience. After attempting to exorcise a demon from a five-year-old boy, Robert invited the entity to take him instead. It struck him physically, leaving a hard lump in his lip, and gradually seized control of his body through episodes of involuntary movement. The possession culminated in a terrifying moment on a rooftop car park when the entity marched him to the edge while holding his infant son, intending to throw the child off. Robert describes watching helplessly from outside his own body before regaining control at the last moment.

Robert explains how he eventually freed himself by retreating into the Australian wilderness, sleeping over a running water stream whose positive energy expelled the entity. The lump in his lip burst at the moment of release. He connects this physical mark to the historical "stigmata diabolis" used during witch trials to identify possession, and discusses how modern science remains blind to phenomena that ancient traditions understood.