Check out the newest podcast on the DSR Network Next in Foreign Policy. This show is focused on lifting up the voice of new and diverse national security and foreign policy leaders and exploring topics that are off the beaten track.

This week Grant and Zoe were joined by Lorraine Ma an award-winning producer whose recent film Faceless, a documentary on the Hong Kong democracy movement that will air on VICE in June. They discuss the film, making documentaries on political subjects, and South-East Asia.

In the final segment, Grant recommends The Price of Everything, Zoe raves about Boys State, and Lorraine suggests Winter on Fire: Ukraine's Fight for Freedom and Dick Johnson Is Dead.

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