Final Forum: A Dragon Ball Podcast

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Dragon Ball has a wealth of cultural context and inspiration that’s often overlooked because the fights are cool. Though not averse to fawning over animation and allowing for the Rule of Cool, Jelli a... more

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December 21, 2022Android 8 and General White (S1E28)
What does EVERYONE get wrong when discussing Androids in Dragon Ball?
Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon by breaking down episodes 39, 40 and 41, "Mysterious Android No. 8," "Horrifying Buyon," and "The Fall of Muscle Tower." We dig further into the Red Ribbon Army and Goku's challenges as he continues along, the Frankenstein-like Android Number 8, the Pink Blob monster Buyon and finally General White himself.
In this episode:
The battle rages on...
We recap the episodes and discuss our favorite moments
We talk about the obvious inspiration points from Frankenstein (Frankenstein's Monster) in Android 8
We highlight Toriyama's subversion of expectations
We tease out the idea that there will be future scientists and androids from the Red Ribbon Army
Jelli discusses some of the translation issues with regards to Android 8 aka Jinzoningen Hachigo aka Man-Made Man Number 8 aka Artificial Man-Made Human Number 8 (more is explained herein)
The original of 8er (Eighter) as a nickname being translated from the Japanese Hachan.
We discuss why 8er is reluctant to fight
Bekinney discusses some of the East-West ideology conflicting within 8er and highlights how Goku passes some of his learnings from Master Roshi on to 8er
We draw connections between Goku's tutelage under Roshi to that of his real world experience and how that drives his encounters with Vegeta, Frieza and Beerus later on.
We remind everyone of a connection to Xuanzang and Journey to the West
We discuss some of our favorite adaptations of Frankenstein and how 8er ranks
Jelli highlights the clashing opposites of the village elder and General White
We talk more about James Bond, and You Only Live Twice, reminding our listeners how that led to Murasaki, and informs this arc
We highlight a brief connection to Curse of the Blood Rubies and our commentary from a couple months back
We do a wrap-up of some of our final thoughts on Muscle Tower's anime arc
and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual
Join us as we continue to uncover the cultural meanings, publication facts, inspirations and more behind the wildly popular Dragon Ball franchise.
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46min
December 06, 2022Early Dragon Ball Video Games (S1E27)
Can early-era video games hold the attention of people with more modern sensibilities and demands of their games?
Jelli and Bekinney take a break from Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon (because we don't do enough of that, right?) by breaking down some early video games. We're talking about Dragon Ball: Dragon Daihikyō, aka Secret of the Dragon from the Super Casette Vision; Dragon Ball: Shenlong no Nazo aka Dragon Power for the Nintendo Entertainment System; and Dragon Ball: Daimaō Fukkatsu aka Dragon Ball: Great Demon King's Revival, also for the NES.
In this episode:
We perform mop up duty on straggling invaders
We discuss the background of Dragon Ball video games, specifically that of developer Epoch, who created the first game
We talk about what the Cassette Vision console was, and Epoch's big hits Barcode Battler and TV Tennis Electrotennis
Epoch's current state of existence, which is largely making baseball trading cards for the Nippon Pro Baseballe league and little tchotchke toys.
We talk about Dragon Daihikyo and its similarities to overhead shooters like 1942
We begin for the first time ever discussing Bandai and their stranglehold over the Dragon Ball franchise universe in terms of marketing
We discuss TOSE Software, the programming company behind Dragon Power
TOSE's credits, including Bases Loaded, Mappy-Land, Toxic Crusaders, Tetris 2, Yoshi's Cookie, Resident Evil Survivor, Resident Evil Zero, Scarlet Nexus, Dragon Quest, WWE and Metal Gear Solid
The Famicom entertainment system and how it compared to the NES
How Dragon Power's US port differed from the Japanese version and why the changes were made
Dragon Power gameplay and how it walks you through the Pilaf Arc, including the Bear Thief, Master Roshi's desire to see Bulma's panties, Oolong, Yamcha, Ox King, Monster Carrot (Boss Rabbit) and Pilaf's Castle...and how there are still 8 stages to go, including the Tenkaichi Budokai, with combatants being Krillin, Major Metallitron, Yamcha and Buyon, fighting through Muscle Tower, and how the game's wishes to the eternal dragon Shenron work
Then we get into Dragon Ball Daimao Fukkatsu, and how it has never been ported to the US
We discuss early Nintendo RTS (real time strategy) games, and how this game walks one through the Demon King Piccolo story arc and the changes it makes, including returns to Muscle Tower, General Blue, Korin Tower, fighting members of the Crane School of martial arts (when Tien Shinhan studied) and Fortune Teller Baba
and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual
Join us as we continue to uncover the cultural meanings, publication facts, inspirations and more behind the wildly popular Dragon Ball franchise.
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1h 4min
November 09, 2022Ninja Murasaki (S1E26)
Is it racially inappropriate if a Japanese creator makes every ninja joke under the sun?
Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon by breaking down episodes 37 and 38, "Ninja Murasaki is Coming," and "The Five Murasakis" and we dig further into the Red Ribbon Army and Goku's challenge on floor 4: a deadly ninja assassin
In this episode:
INVASION!
We recap the episodes and discuss our favorite moments
We discuss the origin of Murasaki's name and why it's different than other members of the Red Ribbon Army who have color-based names
We break down Murasaki's design
There is a brief detour into Akira Kurosawa's films such as Seven Samurai, Ikiru, and One Wonderful Sunday (and Ran, Yojimbo, Sanjuo, Throne of Blood, Kagemusha, etc)
The importance of language in Murasaki's speech patterns and how it changed from Japanese to English
The connections to James Bond, especially the film You Only Live Twice
We talk about some of the James Bond influences, like You Only Live Twice
How Toriyama is blending cultures: A Japanese Ninja, working for a James Bond Villain, controlling a Red Army, to defeat a Hindu Monkey Demigod - to create new things
The use of all the ninja jokes that exist
We talk about Akira Toriyama's use of stereotypes
We break down the tatami mat joke, which neither of us understood prior to researching this episode
More discussion of opposites colliding, and subversion, which have definitely become Toriyama signatures at this point
Connections to Journey to the West, including a clash between Sun Wukong and Laozi
Explanation of shuriken
Explaining the Murasaki Brothers and how the five of them come together to form one person
How Murasaki's personality and style reflects those of General White
Is Murasaki a social commentary? What is he saying about salary man culture? Is Toriyama making a statement about Japan in the post-war years? Is this a statement made about the past, present, and future of Japan?
If you've been listening along, you can probably guess the answers to some of this
and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual
Join us as we continue to uncover the cultural meanings, publication facts, inspirations and more behind the wildly popular Dragon Ball franchise.
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44min
October 27, 2022Don Dracula (Dragon Ball-o-ween) (S1E25)
It's the last episode of Final Forum's Dragon Ball-oween Spooktacular! Can we connect an Osamu Tezuka manga to the world of Dragon Ball? Listen NOW!
In this episode, Jelli and Bekinney break down Osamu Tezuka's manga and anime Don Dracula. It's part of our October/Halloween Festivities where we're taking a break from breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon and delving into times our franchise's creators have "put on a costume" and worked on other shows and movies. In this case, it's Takao Koyama, screenwriter on both Don Dracula and Dragon Ball.
In this episode:
Jelli and Bekinney say farewell to Halloween
We discuss our experiences with various versions of Dracula including the Universal Dracula movies, Bela Lugosi, Christopher Lee, Dracula Untold, Van Helsing, Blade Trinity, Bram Stoker's Dracula (the movie and the book), Gary Oldman, we debate whether Interview with the Vampire and Twilight should count (they shouldn't because they don't have Dracula - Jelli), Claes Bang's portrayal in BBC's Dracula adaptation on Netflix, and more.
Breaking down the episodes of Don Dracula, including how it adapts Dorian Gray, The Gillman (Creature from the Black Lagoon), ghosts, and Van Helsing.
We discuss Osamu Tezuka and his career briefly, and how Don Dracula served as a bridge for him to return to more light-hearted fare like Astro Boy after he had spent several years on an adult work, Black Jack
We discuss whether Disney ripped off Kimba the White Lion (a Tezuka manga) for The Lion King
We talk about Takao Koyama, his biography, and his philosophy with adapting manga for screenplays
We briefly touch on the influence Koyama had on Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Shamploo (Champloo?)
Discussion of Koyama's other works, including stories "In the Name of Piccolo Daimao," "Great Pride! The Saiyan Prince Vegeta," his Dr. Slump follow-up and his Cashman remake.
What Koyama's experience working with Akira Toriyama was like
Koyama's thoughts on Toriyama's noted propensity towards being a hermit
How Koyama almost left the industry in the early 2000s
Then we discuss our thoughts and feelings on Don Dracula, highlighting our favorite episodes and provide some thoughts and feedback
...and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual
Join us as we continue to uncover the cultural meanings, publication facts, inspirations and more behind the wildly popular Dragon Ball franchise....or in this case, the Osamu Tezuka trans-media franchise....for our special Dragon Ball-o-Ween event!
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1h 16min
October 18, 2022 Dragon Ball-oween MINISODE - Bekinney’s Top Ten Dragon Ball Character Designs!
Welcome to Final Forum's Dragon Ball-oween Spooktacular!
In this special Bekinney-only mini-sode we take a complete break from format, and from breaking down Akira Toriyama's manga and anime smash success to continue our October/Halloween Festivities and on this episode, it's all about looks, because looks are similar to costumes and costumes are a big part of Halloween. AND we've already established that it makes sense so just go with it.
Sure.
So, who will make Bekinney's Top Ten Best-Looking Dragon Ball Character Designs? The pool to choose from is ENORMOUS:
Goku, Vegeta, Bulma, Yamcha, Tien Shienhan, Oolong, Puar, Master Roshi, Emperor Pilaf, Nam, Jackie Chun, Giran, Launch, Puar, Ninja Murasaki, Grandpa Gohan, Teen Gohan, Upa, Bora, General Blue, Tao Paipai, Commander Red, Mister Popo, Master Korin, Fortune Teller Baba, Chiaotzu, Piccolo, King Piccolo, Kami, Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Krillin, Yajirobe, Frieza, Dende, Dodoria, Captain Ginyu, Zarbon, Jace, Burter, Recoome, Guldo, Chi-chi, Android 19, Android 20, Dr. Gero, Android 17, Android 18, Android 16, King Cold, Cooler, Turles, Lord Slug, Super Android 13, Garlic Jr, Trunks, Future Trunks, Goten, Dr Brief, Cell, Perfect Cell, Semi-Perfect Cell, Majin Buu, Dabura, Videl, Babidi, Fat Buu, Evil Buu, Kid Buu, Buuhan, Vegito, Gogeta, King Kai, Supreme Kai, Beerus, Whis, Lord Zeno, Mr Satan, Jiren, Goku Black, Zamasu, Hit, Cabba, Kale, Caulifla, Kefla, Bergamo, Frost, Magetta, Botamo, Top, Dyspo, Cell Max, Moro, Granolah, Gas, Elec....
....and more...?

Bekinney threw all these in a pile and picked out just TEN of his favorites. Who will they be?
And will Bekinney get himself into more trouble than he bargained for...? Stay tuned to find out!
...more
15min
October 11, 2022The Return of Godzilla Commentary (Dragon Ball-o-Ween) (S1E24)
Welcome to Final Forum's Dragon Ball-oween Spooktacular! What does Godzilla have to do with Dragon Ball? Listen to FIND OUT!
In this episode, Jelli and Bekinney are joined by Kyle Byrd and Matt Parmley of the Kaiju Transmissions Podcast for a fun break from format and into the world of Godzilla films. It's part of our October/Halloween Festivities where we're taking a break from breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon and delving into times our franchise's creators have "put on a costume" and worked on other shows and movies. In this case, it's Akira Toriyama's EXTREMELY BRIEF cameo in a Godzilla movie: The Return of Godzilla (aka Godzilla 1984, aka Godzilla 1985, aka Godzilla, aka Gojira).
In this episode:
Jelli and Bekinney place a call to Byrd and Matt from Kaiju Transmissions
We each talk about our initial experiences with this movie
Breaking down the production facts, including director Koji Hasimoto's vision with a Screenplay by Shuichi Nagahara, production by Tomoyuki Tanaka, and score by Reijiro Koroku.
The effects sequences were handled by Teruyoshi Nakano and we talk about his general philosophy when it comes to making movies
We discuss how the 1970s treated Godzilla with Terror of Mechagodzilla, and re-releases of Godzilla vs. Monster Zero and Mothra vs. Godzilla
We mention the inclusion of a script draft that introduced a never-to-appear kaiju named Bagan
We unveil the history behind the film's genesis, from an idea by Steve Miner and a script from Fred Dekker
Ishiro Honda's decision to decline the offer to direct based on his ongoing work with Akira Kurosawa
The film's setting during the Cold War and high tensions between the United States and Russia/Soviet Union and how this affected the film when it came time to dub it and adapt it for American audiences
Highlighting the differences in the American version, Godzilla 1985
How the 1976 King Kong film led to this movie being released and influenced the creation of the 20-foot-tall Godzilla Cybot
We highlight the cast, including Yosuke Natsuki, Keiju Kobayashi, Hiroshi Koizumi, Yasuko Sawaguchi, Ken Tanaka, Hiroshi Kamayatsu, and a cameo from director Shinpei Hayashiya
We discuss the cultural and historical significance of Mt. Mihara, where the film's climax takes place
The short, Bambi Meets Godzilla, by Marv Newland, which was associated with this film theatrically and for years on television, as well
...and more, including some general pop culture, how the movie preceded Jurassic Park, trivia, and editorializing, as usual
Join us as we continue to uncover the cultural meanings, publication facts, inspirations and more behind the wildly popular Dragon Ball franchise....or in this case, the Godzilla franchise....for our special Dragon Ball-o-Ween event!
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2h 6min
October 04, 2022 Dragon Ball-oween MINISODE - Jelli’s Top Ten Dragon Ball Character Designs!
Welcome to Final Forum's Dragon Ball-oween Spooktacular!
In this special Jelli-only mini-sode we take a complete break from format, and from breaking down Akira Toriyama's manga and anime smash success to begin our October/Halloween Festivities and on this episode, it's all about looks, because looks are similar to costumes and costumes are a big part of Halloween. That makes sense right? Right?
Sure.
So, who will make Jelli's Top Ten Best-Looking Dragon Ball Character Designs? The pool to choose from is ENORMOUS:
Goku, Vegeta, Bulma, Yamcha, Tien Shienhan, Oolong, Puar, Master Roshi, Emperor Pilaf, Nam, Jackie Chun, Giran, Launch, Puar, Ninja Murasaki, Grandpa Gohan, Teen Gohan, Upa, Bora, General Blue, Tao Paipai, Commander Red, Mister Popo, Master Korin, Fortune Teller Baba, Chiaotzu, Piccolo, King Piccolo, Kami, Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Krillin, Yajirobe, Frieza, Dende, Dodoria, Captain Ginyu, Zarbon, Jace, Burter, Recoome, Guldo, Chi-chi, Android 19, Android 20, Dr. Gero, Android 17, Android 18, Android 16, King Cold, Cooler, Turles, Lord Slug, Super Android 13, Garlic Jr, Trunks, Future Trunks, Goten, Dr Brief, Cell, Perfect Cell, Semi-Perfect Cell, Majin Buu, Dabura, Videl, Babidi, Fat Buu, Evil Buu, Kid Buu, Buuhan, Vegito, Gogeta, King Kai, Supreme Kai, Beerus, Whis, Lord Zeno, Mr Satan, Jiren, Goku Black, Zamasu, Hit, Cabba, Kale, Caulifla, Kefla, Bergamo, Frost, Magetta, Botamo, Top, Dyspo, Cell Max, Moro, Granolah, Gas, Elec....
....and more...?

Jelli threw all these in a pile and picked out just TEN of his favorites. Who will they be?
...more
24min
September 27, 2022Muscle Tower and 80s Pop Culture (S1E23)
Is the Red Ribbon Army a placeholder for the communist armies of Soviet Russia and Communist China? How did the dire state of the Japanese film industries in the 1970s impact Akira Toriyama?
Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon by breaking down episodes 35 and 36 of the show, "Cold Reception," and "Major Metallitron" and we dig further into the Red Ribbon Army as well as their current base of operations for this portion of the arc: Muscle Tower
In this episode:
Jelli and Bekinney are preparing for invasion
We recap the episodes and discuss our favorite moments
We talk about whether the Japanese would say the "h" in White
We introduce the General White character
Muscle Tower resides in a snowy landscape that Akira Toriyama said was like Siberia, does that mean the setting is Northern Russia?
The hosts discuss Suno/Snow and where the name came from, whether it was inspired by the anime or if the mangaka gave it to the anime
We talk about some of the James Bond influences, like You Only Live Twice
An anecdote is shared from Masako Nozawa about her reaction to the episodes
We talk about the inspirations behind Muscle Tower, being, surprise Kung Fu Films, namely Game of Death
We discuss the game Spartan X that was released for Famikon, which was ported to the United States as "Kung Fu" and is inspired by Game of Death, not Spartan X (aka Meals on Wheels) as might be expected
Surprise, a part of Dragon Ball is inspired by Jackie Chan and Bruce Lee
We talk about pagodas and their importance in traditional Chinese culture
Major Metallitron, who is totally not Arnold Schwarzenegger's Terminator, appears
We discuss Goku "killing" Metallitron and praying, as Nam prayed in the Tenkaichi Budokai
We talk about the psychological examination of General White via Muscle Tower as a metaphor and how Goku interacts with that
We talk about what might have inspired Toriyama to start bringing in so much Western Culture into his manga
The state of cinema in Japan in the 1970s and how it affected companies like Toho, and bankrupted the studio Daiei, including stressful situations on the set of Gamera films
We talk about how the desperate state of Japanese cinema in the 70s led to importation of American films
We remind our listeners about Toriyama's westernized style catching the eye of Kazuhiko Torishima
Is Dragon Ball (or Dragonball Z) responsible for creating a sort of homogenized Japanese culture that Americans understand?
Toriyama is at the forefront of bringing Western inspirations to his story, does the rest of the Japanese pop cultural spectrum follow suit? Just ask Godzillla, who brings in references to Indiana Jones, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Star Wars, James Bond, and more ten years after Toriyama had done so.
The pop culture news shift and how things have sped up over the decades, and an anecdote about Jurassic Park
Quick aside: is it a problem that Goku uses the Power Pole to skip only the first floor of Muscle Tower? (Answer: shut up)
and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual
This is a breezy, quick episode, and we hope you enjoy!
Join us as we continue to uncover the cultural meanings, publication facts, inspirations and more behind the wildly popular Dragon Ball franchise.
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40min
September 14, 2022Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero! (S1E22)
New movie! New animation style! New discussions!
Jelli and Bekinney take a break from Akira Toriyama's manga/anime once again to discuss a NEW MOVIE!
In this episode:
Jelli and Bekinney discuss Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero but FIRST
We have some news items to discuss
We talk about the collaboration between Swatch and Dragon Ball Z and discuss the watches for Goku, Vegeta, Master Roshi, Frieza, Cell, Gohan, and Majin Buu and which one is an unfortunate miss
The news items then turns to discussion of the new arcs of the Dragon Ball Super manga that have been completed since the anime went on hiatus in 2019 including the Moro arc and the Granolah arc
We have a hot rumor about the return of the Dragon Ball Super anime
Talk then turns to discussion of studio amalgamation and the Warner Brothers-Discovery merger and the fallout from their decisions around HBO Max, including the cancellation of the Bat Girl movie, the reaction from the creator of Tig n' Seek, and the company's staunch refusal to denounce Ezra Miller or delay the Flash movie
Bekinney discuss the show Megas XLR
We talk about the upcoming game Dragon Ball The Breakers
Then we get into the movie, we break down a plot synopsis, and we discuss our general feelings on Gamma 1, Gamma 2, Cell Max, Magenta, Doctor Hedo, Carmine, Beast Gohan, Orange Piccolo, and the decisive bout between Goku and Vegeta
This is a more loose and goosey episode than usual, as it's more reaction-based and less research-based, but if you're a fan, sit back and enjoy as we delve into some RECENT Dragon Ball items.
and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual
Join us as we continue to uncover the cultural meanings, publication facts, inspirations and more behind the wildly popular Dragon Ball franchise.
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1h 9min
August 30, 2022The Red Ribbon Army Debuts (S1E21)
What happens when Toriyama begins earnestly incorporating Western references into his Eastern mythology-based manga? Do we have the wherewithal to do some psychological analysis?
Jelli and Bekinney continue breaking down Akira Toriyama's worldwide manga and anime phenomenon by breaking down episode 34 of the show, "Cruel Commander Red" and we dig into the Red Ribbon Army
In this episode:
Jelli and Bekinney are finally safe(?) on a Frieza Force planet
We recap Cruel Commander Red and discuss our favorite bits
Bekinney talks about how Toriyama once again inverts the narrative of Dragon Ball and Goku
We talk about some of the upcoming references that we will come across such as James Bond, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Terminator, Alien, and other favorites of the eccentric manga ka
Jelli discusses Goku's new two-fold goal and how he for the first time, has some agency of his own in the story in his pursuit of Grandpa Gohan's Four-Star Dragon Ball
We break down some of the psychology of Dragon Ball and how Goku is always a positive force who interacts with others who have one major character flaw, and how Goku's nature brings this character flaw to light
Goku shows us how confidence can overcome doubt, how strategy can overcome strength, how humility can overcome pride, and we're here to talk about that
Does Dragon Ball have a deeper message? We take a peak at that question
We discuss how the anime and manga start bleeding into one another a little bit, as this arc of the manga takes place as the anime finally begins airing
We discuss how the Red Ribbon Army was influenced by the red armies of China, and the USSR as well as the fascist Nazi Party, as well as its fictional sources of inspiration such as from the crime syndicate Shocker of the Kamen Rider series and Spectre of the Bond franchise
We talk about whether this Red Ribbon Army is a political statement and if Toriyama is propagating some US-Japan alliance propaganda, as well as some capitalism over communism ideals, or if this is just fun nonsense
and more, including some general pop culture, trivia, and editorializing, as usual
Join us as we continue to uncover the cultural meanings, publication facts, inspirations and more behind the wildly popular Dragon Ball franchise.
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47min

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