Veteran newspaper editor and columnist Peter Bruce talks to SABC chairman Bongumusa Makhathini about the challenges of trying to run the public broadcaster while politicians are determined to boss him around. He is firm that communications minister Stella Ndabeni-Abrahams cannot stop the corporation’s retrenchment process even though one last independent arbitration will take place in the interests of “transparency” A remarkably forthrite Makhathini reveals that 98% of the SABCs news division budget is used to pay salaries and offers some unforgiving advice on leadership to President Cyril Ramaphosa.