Find The Outside

In this thought-provoking cross-post conversation, Tuesday sits down with Daniela Papi-Thornton to explore what happens when systems change, leadership, and the sacred feminine collide. Together, they question traditional leadership models that privilege logic over intuition and control over connection - and examine why personal transformation is inseparable from the systemic change our world is calling for. Drawing on her work in education and social innovation, Daniela invites listeners to rethink leadership, reconnect with inner wisdom, and remember that meaningful change starts from within.

Resources:

• Meet Daniela Papi Thornton
• Visit Daniela on Substack
• Systems. Change. Educators. Unite.
• Systems-led Leadership
• Unstuck Club
• Positive Deviants Cohort

• Learn more about Shared Work
• Donella Meadows - “Leverage Points: Places to Intervene in a System”

Practices that Daniela is leaving you with:

1. Find a place (hallway, walk between your house and car) and allow that to become your alignment space. Every time you walk that space, allow yourself to realign.
2. Ask for help and trust that it is there.

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What does it mean to stay grounded in a time of global uncertainty?

In this conversation, Tim and Tuesday sit down with Sommer Sibilly-Brown of the Virgin Islands Good Food Coalition to explore community, regulation, anger, responsibility, and the work of building the world we want to live in.

From food sovereignty in the Caribbean to the importance of our “root systems,” this episode is a powerful reflection on what it takes to stay human - and hopeful - when systems around us are shifting. Listen now.

Resources

• Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:
• Website: www.findtheoutside.com
• Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutside
• Connect with us at [email protected]
• Meet Sommer Sibilly-Brown
• Virgin Islands Good Foods Coalition
• St. Croix Agrifest 2026
• Find The Outside: The Podcast - 6.03: Outside Conversations with Deanna James - Doing philanthropy differently
• St. Croix Foundation for Community Development
• Check out The Outside’s Berkana Two Loops of Systems Change online course

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What does it really mean to evolve — as individuals, communities, and societies?

In this thoughtful and timely conversation, Tim reconnects with longtime collaborator and systems thinker Zaid Hassan to explore his new book, How to Evolve and How Not To.

Drawing on 25 years of work tackling complex global challenges - from climate negotiations inside the UN COP process to launching a decentralized global climate initiative during COVID - Zaid reflects on why so many change efforts fail and what real practice actually looks like.

Together, Tim and Zaid explore the courage it takes to see reality clearly, the difference between technical fixes and adaptive change, and why agency matters more than ever in a world that can feel overwhelming. At its heart, this episode is about culture as a collection of choices - and what happens when we begin to understand the evolutionary consequences of the decisions we make every day.

Zaid will be on a global book tour this fall, including Halifax, Nova Scotia in October. Woo. Woo.

Resources: 

• Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:
• Website: www.findtheoutside.com
• Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutside
• Connect with us at [email protected]

• Meet Zaid Hassan
• ten in ten
• Book: “The Social Labs Revolution: A New Approach to Solving our Most Complex Challenges,” by Zaid Hassan
• Zaid’s New Book: “How to Evolve And How Not To” (Peakrill Press, 2026)
• Join Zaid on his upcoming book tour!
• Read articles from Zaid on Substack

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On today’s episode, Tim and Tuesday reflect on two recent conversations with Meg Buzzi and Chris Keevil and follow the threads that emerged long after the recording stopped. What unfolds is a wide-ranging, deeply human dialogue about courage, leadership, imagination, and how we decide what really matters in turbulent times.

They explore the tension between reflection and action, the false choice between staying informed and staying well, and what it means to make a “true move” when certainty is impossible. Along the way, they consider the role of escapism, joy, embodiment, and imagination - not as avoidance, but as essential capacities for resilience, empathy, and meaningful action.

This episode is an invitation to question whose reality we are centering, to resist being hijacked by fear or outrage, and to remember that tending to what gives life and meaning is not separate from changing the world - it’s foundational to it.

RESOURCES:

• Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:
• Website: www.findtheoutside.com
• Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutside
• Connect with us at [email protected]

• Meet Meg Buzzi
• Read Meg’s new book, “The In-Between”
• Learn about Meg’s company - fixchr

• Meet Chris Keevil
• Canoe Kayak Canada
• Dee Hock, Chaordic Organizations
• Sandpiper Ventures

• Oliver Burkeman – Author of Four Thousand Weeks
• Arawana Hayashi, Founder of Social Presencing Theater
• Dr. Martin Shaw, Mythologist and Storyteller
• Lucas Jones, Author of I Still Believe in Miracles

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What gives you goosebumps when the world feels uncertain?

On today’s episode, Tuesday and Tim welcome back Meg Buzzi for a wide-ranging conversation about wakefulness, collective power, and staying engaged in times of rapid change.

From large volunteer-run movements to housing co-ops and political organizing, the conversation explores how participation, urgency, and agency come together at scale.

The trio reflects on moments that spark goosebumps: communities turning toward one another, joy as a form of resistance, and collective imagination as a way to rehearse more just futures. Along the way, they touch on belonging to land, diaspora, leadership, and why enthusiasm and presence may be some of the most powerful forces we have right now.

This episode is an invitation to notice what makes you feel alive - and to trust that those moments matter.

RESOURCES:

• Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:
• Website: www.findtheoutside.com 
• Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside  
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutside
• Connect with us at [email protected]

• Meet Meg Buzzi 
• Read Meg’s new book, “The In-Between”
• Learn about Meg’s company - fixchr

• Loomio
• Esther Perel
• Neil deGrasse Tyson’s Cosmos
• Václav Havel – “The power of the powerless”

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In this episode, Tim and Tuesday dig into masculinity, leadership, and the cultural fallout of bullying and toxic masculine norms. They unpack why authoritarian leadership models are gaining traction, how fear and division shape today’s politics, and why our individual choices in community engagement matter more than ever.

The conversation moves through political discontent, the citizen–state relationship, and what people look for in leaders during times of crisis. Tim and Tuesday also examine the rise of the Manosphere, the search for purpose and belonging among young men, and how those needs can fuel harmful identities.

They close with lessons from history and the power of reconnecting with ancestral stories as a guide through modern challenges.

Resources:

• Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:
• Website: www.findtheoutside.com
• Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutside
• Connect with us at [email protected]
• Watch Tuesday’s podcast with her husband, Gibrán Rivera: Episode 1.4 - “Reclaiming The Divine Masculine”
• BBC Documentary: “Men of the Manosphere,” by James Blake
• BBC Documentary: “Empire with David Olusoga"
• Song: “Thatcher Fucked The Kids,
• ” by Frank Turner
• Check out The Outside’s online course: Berkana Two Loops of Systems Change
• Tim & Tuesday also offer keynotes on the Two Loops - contact us to learn more!
• Dr. Martin Shaw - “What gets exiled, comes back hostile.”

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On today’s episode, Tuesday and Tim crack open the powerful themes of dissolution and reinvention - and what they mean for the future of our communities. From environmental protection to collaborative care, they explore why some systems need to be allowed to fade out so that fresh, community-driven alternatives can rise. It’s a lively, thought-provoking conversation about clearing space for what’s next and building structures that actually work. Tune in for an inspiring dive into renewal, resilience, and the courage to start again.

Resources

• Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:
• Website: www.findtheoutside.com
• Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutside
• Connect with us at [email protected]
• Check out The Outside’s online course - Berkana Two Loops of Systems Change - https://onlinecourses.findtheoutside.com/courses/berkana-two-loops
• Berkana Institute - “Start anywhere, follow it everywhere!”
• “No woman is required to build the world by destroying herself.” ― Rabbi Sofer

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Get ready for an inspiring and heartfelt conversation with Dennis Adams, as he opens up about what it really means to live fully and age gracefully! Dennis dives into the power of surrounding yourself with the right people, finding joy in everyday moments, and staying true to who you are. From embracing authenticity and building genuine connections to facing your fears with courage, this episode is packed with wisdom and warmth. Tune in for a refreshing reminder that living with purpose isn’t about perfection — it’s about growth, gratitude, and the people who lift us up along the way.

Resources:

• Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:
• Website: www.findtheoutside.com
• Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutside
• Connect with us at [email protected]
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• Dennis Adams, Executive Director/Chief Harmony Officer, LOVE Nova Scotia
• LOVE Nova Scotia (Leave Out Violence, Nova Scotia)
• “One cannot be fully happy if they don’t care equally about their family and community.“ - African proverb

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In this soul-stirring episode, Tim and Tuesday dive deep into the rhythms of change, the mystery of time, and the power of presence. Together, they unpack the tension between reflecting on the past and embracing the unknown ahead. With honest stories and thoughtful insights, they explore emotional maturity, the evolving role of men’s work, and what it means to build truly supportive spaces. Tune in for a conversation that invites you to slow down, stay curious, and discover moments of joy—even in the chaos.

Resources

• Learn more about, and follow, The Outside by visiting and liking all of our channels:
• Website: www.findtheoutside.com
• Facebook & Instagram: @findtheoutside
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/findtheoutside
• Connect with us at [email protected]

• “Tyranny of the finish line” - Chris Corrigan
• 6.02: Outside Conversations with Chris Corrigan + Caitlin Frost - On the reciprocity of community
• 6.09: Outside Conversations with Brett Kencairn - On the promise of the fourth wave
• Upcoming podcast guest, Dennis Adams, LOVE Nova Scotia
• “Seven Rules of Life”
• "Don't ask what the world needs. Ask what makes you come alive, and go do it. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive.” - Howard Thurman

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