Finding New Waters

In this episode of Finding New Waters, B Reeves and CEO Justin McClendon sit down with Jesse Quam, an educational consultant and therapist based in Black Mountain, North Carolina.

Jesse shares how a friend’s wilderness job in Utah “changed my life,” what it actually means when people say “wilderness,” and why getting outside and away from technology can reset the nervous system and the family system. He breaks down how therapeutic wilderness evolved from early programs like BYU 480, why outcome data matters, and what he believes will bring wilderness back in a big way as phone use and modern distractions keep climbing.

Jesse also pulls the curtain back on what a therapeutic educational consultant does: how the first call works, why the whole family has to join the process, and how he helps families make the right “chess moves” across a full year of treatment and aftercare.

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CHAPTERS

[01:00:35] Introductions: B Reeves, Justin McClendon, Jesse Quam

[01:01:57] Jesse’s background: pastor’s kid, Chicago, Utah wilderness, Boston College

[01:03:35] Educational consulting: visiting 305 programs, supporting families through the year

[01:04:48] What “wilderness” actually means in this field

[01:05:40] BYU 480 and the roots of wilderness programs

[01:06:31] Safety, outcomes, and what the data says

[01:07:49] Why wilderness programs declined and why they may come back

[01:10:47] Phones, modern life, and why a detox matters

[01:17:35] What Jesse does when a family calls: first call process

[01:19:40] Family system buy-in, boundaries, and using leverage when needed

[01:22:54] What changed over 30 years: internal kids, isolation, social skills, fentanyl risk

[01:27:02] Community connection and longevity

[01:30:30] Outward Bound influence and experiential learning

[01:34:46] Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter Outward Bound story

[01:35:35] Wrap-up and closing

GUEST AND ORGANIZATION LINKS

Jesse Quam and Dr. John Huie (Quam & Huie: Educational Consultants)

http://johnhuie.com/about-us/

RESOURCES MENTIONED

Outward Bound

https://www.outwardbound.org/

NOLS

https://www.nols.edu/

Montreat College

https://www.montreat.edu/

Boston College School of Social Work

https://www.bc.edu/bc-web/schools/ssw.html

The Carter Center

https://www.cartercenter.org/

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In this episode of Finding New Waters, B Reeves sits down with Dr. Kate Truitt, clinical psychologist and neuroscientist, for a conversation that moves from survival to real tools. Dr. Kate shares what it was like to be hit by a drunk driver, the identity shift of “self” coming back online, and why even experts struggle to use their own tools at first.

They break down trauma through a brain-based lens: safety, belonging, and agency. You’ll also hear the clearest explanation of grief as a learning process, what “traumatic grief” looks like, and why forgiveness is not a mandate. Dr. Kate also teaches a simple “moving hug” mindful touch practice and explains why “we can’t think our way through” the parts of the brain that hold trauma.

CHAPTERS / TIMESTAMPS

[01:00:00] Welcome and introduction

[01:01:05] Hit by a drunk driver: broken neck, brain injury, crushed spine

[01:02:32] “Not so well at the beginning”: the pressure of being an expert

[01:03:56] Writing a book during recovery: burnout + self-compassion

[01:05:16] Milwaukee → Kansas City → Los Angeles: the road to her work

[01:05:22] Scholarship and a modeling contract

[01:05:31] Modeling, anorexia, and the pivot into academia

[01:07:17] Burnout in helping professions and boundaries

[01:09:09] The Brain Partnership Toolbox: why she wrote it

[01:10:17] Self-compassion: “It’s a skill. It’s not innate.”

[01:13:13] Goldie Hawn’s MindUP and trauma-informed work in schools

[01:16:35] Mindful touch: “moving hug” and C-tactile fibers

[01:18:28] “We can’t think our way through it.”

[01:20:02] Trauma and grief: what she focuses on

[01:21:06] Big T vs small T trauma: why she takes it off the table

[01:22:09] The amygdala’s three core values: safe, belong, agency

[01:23:16] Trauma as threat + survival encoding

[01:25:40] Her clinic model: specialists + neurobiology training

[01:26:20] “Shame goes down, opportunity goes up.”

[01:27:44] Grief as learning: what the brain has to update

[01:28:42] Traumatic grief: when grief gets paralyzed

[01:29:39] Substances and pain: “turn the volume down”

[01:31:08] One person can change the trajectory

[01:32:22] Widowed before her wedding: trauma vulnerability

[01:33:25] Forgiveness after trauma: where to start

[01:34:20] “Forgiveness is not a mandate.”

[01:36:41] When forgiveness becomes toxic and boundaries get blurry

[01:39:06] Finding help as a trainer: dual relationships and privacy

[01:44:18] Patterns, burnout, and getting curious about the sprint

[01:44:51] How to find Dr. Kate Truitt + free resources

NOTABLE QUOTES

“almost a year ago to the day… I was hit by a drunk driver… broke my neck, brain injury, crushed my spine.”

“The, there's a little tidbit about self-compassion is that it's a skill. It's not innate.”

“our thinking brain is a pretty new to the game… We can't think our way through it. Just can't.”

“And those values are first and foremost, am I safe?”

“Forgiveness is not so it's not a, it's not a mandate. It's not a requirement.”

LINKS & RESOURCES MENTIONED

Dr. Kate Truitt website: https://www.drkatetruitt.com/

Free resources page: https://www.drkatetruitt.com/freeresources

Dr. Kate Truitt YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/DrKateTruitt

MindUP (Goldie Hawn Foundation): https://www.mindup.org/

The Brain Partnership Toolbox (Amazon): https://www.amazon.com/Partnership-Toolbox-Addiction-Mental-Professionals/dp/B0FYNNKH4C

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In this episode of Finding New Waters, B Reeves and Justin McClendon sit down with Bogie Bowles, Clinical Director at Ascend Recovery in Utah, with deep North Carolina connections and a story rooted in early sobriety.

Bogie shares what it was like getting sober at 18 as a freshman at Carolina, navigating recovery while still living a musician’s life, and building a career in the field. The conversation also gets real about what has changed in treatment and culture since the 90s.

They take a hard look at today’s high-potency THC landscape, the false sense of safety around “it’s just weed,” and the unregulated Delta and THCA products that are showing up everywhere. If you have a teen, work in the field, or have ever minimized cannabis because of what it used to be, this episode will shift your perspective.

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Timestamps

[01:00:00] Welcome back + Bogie Bowles intro (Ascend Recovery, Utah)

[01:01:00] North Carolina connections + music background (Knockdown Smilin)

[01:02:26] Getting sober at 18 as a freshman at Carolina

[01:11:12] “One and done from treatment” and trying to stop but not being able to stop

[01:11:44] Treatment then vs now (two-week model, 35 years ago)

[01:22:01] Music, recovery, and professional life now

[01:24:16] Staying close to recovery while traveling as a musician

[01:31:42] How “weed” changed from the 90s to now

[01:33:47] Delta / THCA products and the unregulated chemical problem

[01:34:26] The “blueberry muffin” analogy and what families are missing

[01:37:32] Reefer madness, cultural backlash, and why the warning signs got ignored

[01:38:41] “Desperate Lives” and the scary stuff that is not a joke anymore

[01:39:03] Wrap-up + how to find Ascend Recovery

Bogie Bowles, LCSW

Clinical Director

Bogie graduated in 2015 from the University of North Carolina with a Masters of Social Work. A former professional musician, Bogie expanded his perspective of the connection between mental health and addiction while working at the psychiatric unit at Duke Hospital. Following his time at Duke, he then worked with a large addiction treatment facility using his unique musical background to co-create a program specifically designed to treat music industry professionals. Bogie is the newest on our team and is seeking to further his experience in treating co-occurring disorders, and to continue pursuing his passion for music and service. Additionally, he co-wrote a curriculum for an Extended Care Program focusing on the challenges of recovery in everyday life. Bogie has been with Ascend since 2018.

Bogie entered his own recovery from addiction at the age of eighteen. He has toured and recorded with various artist for over twenty years. In his personal life, he continues to play and record music, enjoys being in nature, engages in the recovery community, and practices meditation.

Guest and Organization Links

Ascend Recovery: https://ascendrecovery.com/

Ascend Recovery Team: https://ascendrecovery.com/inpatient-drug-rehab-staff/

Ascend Recovery Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ascendrecovery/

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In this episode of Finding New Waters, B Reeves and Justin McLendon sit down with Rick Hubbard in Fort Worth with Constellation Behavioral Health.

Rick shares how he went from retail banking to finding himself in a treatment center in West Texas, losing “everything that was dear to me,” and then being asked to come work for the very place that helped him. He talks about what he has done since 2002, connecting professionals, families, and individuals to the help they need, often referring people to services outside of the company he represents.

This conversation goes deep on purpose, service, and availability in the recovery field. Rick explains why he answers the phone when it rings, why “the disease of addiction does not take PTO,” and how the 12 step process is about learning “just trying to be a better human.” He also shares a powerful personal story about discovering he has a son later in life, and how that discovery changed everything.

Timestamps

[01:25:43] Welcome back + introductions (B Reeves, Justin McLendon, Rick Hubbard)

[01:26:35] Rick’s background: retail banking, starting in 1976

[01:27:06] Late 90s detour: treatment center in West Texas

[01:27:16] “I had lost everything that was dear to me”

[01:27:57] Starting the work in 2002: connecting people to help

[01:30:13] Perspective at 71, recovery, and living differently

[01:33:16] “This is the best life I’ve ever lived” and the 12 step process

[01:36:56] Why Rick answers the phone: “the disease… does not take PTO”

[01:40:43] “It’s the work that we’ve been chosen to do”

[01:43:19] Discovering he has a son later in life

[01:49:31] Meeting Kirk Franklin and the story going public

[01:51:58] 23andMe and Ancestry revealing family connections

[01:54:58] Rick’s professional timeline: West Texas, Florida, Origins, Hanley, Constellation

[01:59:29] Constellation transition and rebrand under Sero Mental Health

[02:01:38] How to contact Rick (phone + email)

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In this episode of Finding New Waters, B Reeves and Justin McLendon sit down with Rick Hubbard in Fort Worth with Constellation Behavioral Health.

Rick shares how he went from retail banking to finding himself in a treatment center in West Texas, losing “everything that was dear to me,” and then being asked to come work for the very place that helped him. He talks about what he has done since 2002, connecting professionals, families, and individuals to the help they need, often referring people to services outside of the company he represents.

This conversation goes deep on purpose, service, and availability in the recovery field. Rick explains why he answers the phone when it rings, why “the disease of addiction does not take PTO,” and how the 12 step process is about learning “just trying to be a better human.” He also shares a powerful personal story about discovering he has a son later in life, and how that discovery changed everything.

Timestamps

[01:25:43] Welcome back + introductions (B Reeves, Justin McLendon, Rick Hubbard)

[01:26:35] Rick’s background: retail banking, starting in 1976

[01:27:06] Late 90s detour: treatment center in West Texas

[01:27:16] “I had lost everything that was dear to me”

[01:27:57] Starting the work in 2002: connecting people to help

[01:30:13] Perspective at 71, recovery, and living differently

[01:33:16] “This is the best life I’ve ever lived” and the 12 step process

[01:35:31] How outreach changed from 2002 to now (maps book vs GPS)

[01:36:56] Why Rick answers the phone: “the disease… does not take PTO”

[01:40:43] “It’s the work that we’ve been chosen to do”

[01:43:19] Discovering he has a son later in life

[01:49:31] Meeting Kirk Franklin and the story going public

[01:51:58] 23andMe and Ancestry revealing family connections

[01:54:58] Rick’s professional timeline: West Texas, Florida, Origins, Hanley, Constellation

[01:59:29] Constellation transition and rebrand under Sero Mental Health

[02:01:38] How to contact Rick (phone + email)

Rick Hubbard Link: https://c4recoveryfoundation.org/board/rick-hubbard-board/

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In this episode of Finding New Waters, B Reeves and Justin McLendon sit down with Matt Nannis, founder and executive director of PIVOTPoint WNCn Asheville.

Matt opens up about feeling like an “outsider” and dealing with “imposter syndrome,” and he shares why he started Pivot Point after moving into a sober home in Asheville in 2013. He talks candidly about the guilt and shame he carried in that season, and why Sundays on the trail became the one time he didn’t feel “failure, shameful, degenerate.”

You’ll also hear how PIVOTPoint WNC supports adolescents through extended Saturday programming and school partnerships, including how referrals work, why the approach is non-coercive, and what it looks like to build individualized plans that get “to that thing under the thing, under the thing.” Matt breaks down how the organization stays adaptable, how they expand intentionally, and why small habits and discipline can change how we show up in everyday life.

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Timestamps

[01:16:59] Welcome back + hosts intro + Matt Nannis introduction (PIVOTPoint WNC)

[01:17:59] How B Reeves and Matt first met

[01:18:19] Expanding Recovery for Young People conference (Hendersonville)

[01:19:11] “Imposter syndrome,” “outsider,” and why Pivot Point started (Asheville 2013)

[01:19:35] “Man, I hated it” + guilt and shame in the halfway house

[01:20:31] Sunday hikes and not feeling “failure, shameful, degenerate”

[01:35:42] Pivot Point model: Saturday program, afterschool program, referrals, non-coercive approach

[01:46:45] Where the name “Pivot Point” came from (opportunity and willingness)

[01:50:10] Serving families outside Buncombe County + adaptability + school partnerships

[01:58:06] Small habits and self-talk: “make your bed,” “brush your teeth”

[01:59:17] How to find PIVOTPoint WNC (website + contact info)

Guest and Organization Links

Pivot Point WNC: https://pivotpointwnc.org/

Pivot Point WNC Team (Matt): https://pivotpointwnc.org/the-team/

Finding New Waters / New Waters Recovery

New Waters Recovery: https://newwatersrecovery.com/

Finding New Waters: https://www.findingnewwaters.com/

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Most people know AA. Almost nobody knows the real story of NA. 

From arrests and raids to meetings on the Staten Island ferry, this episode traces how the NA message survived and spread worldwide. 

Chris Budnick (Healing Transitions) and Boyd Pickard walk through the chronology and history of Narcotics Anonymous, including early roots connected to the US Public Health Hospital in Lexington, Kentucky (the “narcotic farm”), and the evolution from Addicts Anonymous into Narcotics Anonymous. 

You will hear how early members faced stigma and real pressure from authorities, why the wording of Step One became a defining innovation, and how the fellowship grew into a global force, including the surprising reality that “one third of all weekly Narcotics Anonymous meetings in the world occur in Iran.” 

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TIMESTAMPS (copy/paste)

[01:05:53] Introductions and opening

[01:06:10] Healing Transitions tough stretch and honoring Byron 

[01:10:14] Why people know AA but not NA 

[01:10:52] Boyd’s curiosity about NA roots 

[01:12:02] Chris’s background and recovery path 

[01:13:33] Slaying the Dragon and the page and a half on NA history 

[01:15:02] Narcotic farm and the Lexington story 

[01:16:33] If you know your history why this matters 

[01:18:28] Stigma segregation and threats in the early era 

[01:18:48] Arrests and Staten Island ferry meetings 

[01:19:51] When did NA officially start 

[01:21:40] Preserving the Message and why archives matter 

[01:22:37] Harrison Act and addiction trajectory 

[01:24:33] Dr Tom Shelby and early AA influence in NC 

[01:29:52] February 1947 Addicts Anonymous begins 

[01:32:11] Houston at long last I learned to hope 

[01:34:14] Danny Carlson coins Narcotics Anonymous 

[01:34:36] Women’s House of Detention Salvation Army early locations 

[01:41:52] Danny’s death and stability 

[01:46:09] Was Bill W helpful to NA 

[01:48:33] Step One shift changed everything 

[01:51:01] Total abstinence and modern NA challenges 

[01:55:03] Nobody believed that addicts could recover 

[01:59:51] AA vs NA explained 

[02:03:01] Iran and global NA growth 

[02:03:19] Recommended resources 

[02:06:13] Wrap-up and closing 

GUEST LINKS

Chris Budnick (Healing Transitions bio)

https://healing-transitions.org/about/leadership/chris-budnick-executive-director/ 

Healing Transitions (official website)

https://healing-transitions.org/ 

Healing Transitions (mission/about)

https://healing-transitions.org/about/ 

Healing Transitions (services)

https://healing-transitions.org/recovery-services/ 

Boyd Pickard (Preserving the Message bio)

https://preservingthemessage.org/about/boyd-pickard/ 

Preserving the Message (official site)

https://preservingthemessage.org/ 

Healing Transitions (donate page, if you want to include it)

https://healing-transitions.org/donate/ 

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In this episode of Finding New Waters, B. Reeves and New Waters Recovery CEO Justin McClendon sit down with Ronan O’Loughlin, founder and owner of Peace and Purpose Sober Living in Asheville, North Carolina, for a deeply honest conversation about recovery, humility, fear, and the spiritual foundation of long-term sobriety.

Ronan shares his personal journey through addiction, immigration, bartending, and eventual recovery, including his path into opening a sober living rooted firmly in 12-step principles. With candor, humor, and wisdom, he reflects on desperation, ego, fear, and what it truly means to live with peace and purpose.

This episode explores:

• Ronan’s recovery journey and early sobriety

• Addiction, desperation, and the gift of not wanting to use

• Bartending, ego, and identity in active addiction

• Why Peace and Purpose Sober Living was created

• The role of legacy, loss, and service in recovery work

• Fear as the root of anger and ego-based thinking

• Infantile expectations and the bondage of self

• Why 12-step foundations still matter

• Humility, vocation, and doing recovery work for the right reasons

This is a grounded, reflective conversation about what sustains recovery over time and why authenticity, humility, and spiritual growth remain at the core of lasting change.

YOUTUBE TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Welcome to Finding New Waters

01:00 Introducing Ronan O’Loughlin

02:20 Ronan’s addiction and recovery story

04:30 Desperation, heroin detox, and early sobriety

06:40 Bartending, ego, and identity

09:00 Work, immigration, and addiction

11:30 The meaning behind Peace and Purpose

13:40 Why sober living and how it began

16:20 Legacy, loss, and continuing the mission

18:50 Service, humility, and recovery as vocation

21:30 Fear as the root of anger

24:00 Ego-based fear and infantile expectations

26:40 The bondage of self

29:00 Faith, fear, and spiritual growth

31:00 The enduring role of 12-step recovery

33:30 Partnering, community, and closing reflections

GUEST LINKS – RONAN O’LOUGHLIN / PEACE AND PURPOSE SOBER LIVING

Website: https://www.peaceandpurposeavl.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/peaceandpurposeavl

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/peaceandpurposeavl

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In this episode of Finding New Waters, B. Reeves and New Waters Recovery CEO Justin McClendon sit down with Will Crosswell, therapist, clinical interventionist, and founder of Crosswell Interventions in Austin, Texas, for an honest and wide-ranging conversation about recovery, mental health crises, and the evolving landscape of substance use.

Will shares his personal recovery story, his path from residential treatment work to clinical interventions, and why he was drawn back into high-intensity crisis work after years in private practice. Together, the group explores how modern interventions require a trauma-informed, clinical lens, especially as substances like Delta-8, kratom, and other gas-station products drive increasing rates of psychosis and severe mental health instability.

This episode explores:

• Will’s journey into recovery and clinical social work

• What a clinical interventionist is and why it matters

• Differences between substance-use and primary mental health interventions

• The rise of psychosis linked to synthetic and unregulated substances

• Delta-8, kratom, kava, and gas-station drugs

• Why some people do not fully “come back” after prolonged use

• Family systems, healing, and preventing further rupture

• Finding joy, music, and freedom in sober living

• Building a life that no longer requires escape

This is a powerful conversation about responsibility, honesty, and what it truly means to help families through their darkest moments while protecting long-term recovery.

YOUTUBE TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Welcome to Finding New Waters

01:00 Introducing Will Crosswell

02:40 Will’s background and work in mental health and addiction

04:30 Will’s recovery story

06:30 From treatment centers to clinical interventions

08:40 What a clinical interventionist does

11:00 Mental health vs substance use interventions

13:40 Trauma-informed and family-centered approaches

16:00 The rise of psychosis linked to Delta-8 and gas-station drugs

18:30 Kratom, kava, and unregulated substances

21:00 The danger of normalization and misinformation

23:40 Long-term consequences and “not coming back”

26:00 Recovery, neutrality, and no longer needing escape

29:00 Music, concerts, and sober living

32:00 Finding joy and freedom without substances

34:30 How to contact Will Crosswell

36:00 Final thoughts and closing

GUEST LINKS – WILL CROSSWELL

Website: https://www.crosswellinterventions.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/crosswellinterventions

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/crosswell-interventions

Phone: 830-992-5836

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In this episode of Finding New Waters, B. Reeves and New Waters Recovery CEO Justin McClendon sit down with Kelly Scaggs, CEO of Fellowship Hall in Greensboro, North Carolina, for a powerful conversation about recovery, legacy, and the responsibility of caring for people at their most vulnerable.

B. shares his personal recovery story and his own experience as a former guest at Fellowship Hall, reflecting on what it means to walk into treatment for the first time, the fear of staying, and the life-changing impact of choosing to participate.

Kelly shares the history of Fellowship Hall, now in its 55th year, including how it became North Carolina’s first licensed residential treatment facility, the collaborative spirit that shaped its founding, and why community, humility, and service remain central to its mission today.

This episode explores:

• What it feels like to enter treatment for the first time

• The power of participation in early recovery

• Fellowship Hall’s origins and 55-year legacy

• Why collaboration, not competition, strengthens the recovery field

• The importance of family programming in treatment

• Leadership rooted in clinical experience and humility

• Alumni connection, long-term recovery, and paying it forward

YOUTUBE TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Welcome to Finding New Waters

01:00 B. Reeves shares his Fellowship Hall recovery story

03:40 Fear, resistance, and deciding to stay in treatment

05:30 Participation as the turning point in recovery

07:40 A spiritual experience and finding hope

09:30 The privilege of witnessing recovery firsthand

11:00 Fellowship Hall’s 55-year history

12:30 North Carolina’s first licensed treatment center

14:20 Alumni network and community impact

16:00 The collaborative nature of the recovery field

18:30 Referring clients to the right program

20:20 Kelly Scaggs’ path to becoming CEO

22:50 Clinical leadership and healthcare administration

25:10 Balancing mission and business in treatment

27:00 Recovery principles applied beyond addiction

29:00 The importance of family programs

31:30 Families healing alongside their loved ones

34:00 Lifelong connections formed in treatment

36:30 How to find Fellowship Hall

38:00 Final thoughts and closing

GUEST LINKS – KELLY SCAGGS / FELLOWSHIP HALL

Website: https://www.fellowshiphall.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fellowshiphall

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FellowshipHall

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/fellowship-hall

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