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A lot of us have a story about that time we hit rock bottom.
For some of us, we find out there's yet another rock bottom when the floor bursts out from the one we're on.
Then another.
What happens when you're looking for the safety net, like someone in a freefall, and it doesn't appear?
How does it feel when you have values but are physically incapable of living up to them - especially as an overachiever?
Holly Bertone was raised to put the values of honesty and integrity first. When she had the chance to go partying with her friends but she had a commitment, like a babysitting gig, her answer was obvious and did not require any thought. Her dad had a sign in his office that said "If you don't do, you don't get" and this simple mantra had a deep impact on her.
In school, she did a project studying the psychology of Charles Manson and became fascinated by how the human mind works. She dreamed of working for the FBI and chasing serial killers.
It took a few steps, but she got there - she became a chief of staff at the FBI.
Her career and her life were going fine - but Fine is a 4-Letter Word.
As an overachiever, she found out that when you raise yourself to that level, the falls that happen when events beyond your control intervene can be especially debilitating.
In 2010, she was diagnosed with cancer, and eventually developed Hashimoto's thyroiditis, an autoimmune disorder we've discussed on the show before.
In 2017, a series of events led to her forced resignation from the FBI.
She started a coaching practice, and just when she was getting traction, her divorce went into a whirlpool, and she couldn't even take on new clients.
When honesty and integrity and the belief "if you don't do, you don't get" are your core principles, yet you're so mentally and physically debilitated you can't get out of bed, that's a long, hard fall, especially for an overachiever.
In a moment, when you meet Holly, you’ll discover how it felt for her to be in a seemingly endless freefall asking, "what now"?
Discovering how to reconcile when events beyond her control conflict with her core beliefs has been a journey. And these events have required her to center herself around keeping going, never giving up, knowing her life is still a work in progress.
You'll also find out how much of it can be helped by brain chemicals.
Holly’s hype song is "Now That We Found Love" by Heavy D & The Boyz.
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Like Holly, you may reach a point where you feel you've achieved your dreams through a combination of honesty, integrity, and fortitude.
Then, life steps in and makes it physically impossible to continue.
At some level, you may know you need to take a step back to evaluate where everything's headed. But too many other things keep showing up and knocking you down and you can't get even a moment to gather yourself. So, what now?
The first step is to go to https://zenrabbit.com right now and download the 5 Easy Ways to Start Living The Sabbatical Life guide.
Once you read it, you may see a new point of view that helps you understand and embrace things that, up until now, have not made sense to you. It’s only 7 pages, so it won’t take you long to get through. And the five tactics are pretty simple, but once you follow even ONE of them, you’re in for a profound change.
When you’re ready to say F*ck Being Fine, then this guide is the place to start. It’s time to blaze a new trail and chart a new course!
Many people believe they have a dream lifestyle – the perfect house, the perfect job or business, the perfect family and social cycle, just everything perfect.
Some create checklists or vision boards so they can visualize it and align their thoughts and actions toward having it for themselves.
But what if you think you’ve achieved it, but it turns out you’ve veered way off course?
Tess Wittler was raised in central Pennsylvania as part of a tight-knit family. Growing up, it was annoying to visit grandparents, uncles and aunts, cousins who were much younger than she was – it made her eyes roll. As an adult, she came to appreciate family as she created a life with her husband.
Then, a cascade of events happened. Both her parents, her mother-in-law, and both grandparents died within a span of just 30 months. This was right around the time COVID happened, and also right around the time Tess and her husband, Jason, bought what they believed was their dream house in Richmond, VA to be close to Jason’s job. They bought a boat and looked forward to hiking.
Then they noticed they weren’t hiking, they weren’t fishing, and they weren’t boating – even though this was supposed to be their dream lifestyle.
Up until this point, everything seemed fine – but Fine is a 4-Letter Word.
In January 2022, Jason lost his job. Between that, and so many of Tess’ family having passed away, they began to question their choices.
It occurred to them that perhaps they had not created their dream lifestyle after all – but then what was the next step?
In a moment, when you meet Tess, you’ll discover the journey she and her husband embarked upon that has taken them to somewhere they hadn’t considered before – Washington State, where Jason was born and raised but had left after high school.
There were so many questions. Would they find a house they liked? How would Tess get along with her husband’s family, who she had not really had a chance to get to know except through occasional visits? Would they find the hobbies and the social circle they were looking for?
They were so focused on asking “what if it doesn’t work?” that they didn’t think to ask an even more powerful question.
Tess' hype song is “The Pretender” by Foo Fighters.
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Like Tess, you may think everything is “fine” and have no reason to ask questions or continue a path of self-discovery. Just follow the course and you’ll reach the destination.
But is that because you’re certain you’re on the right path, or afraid that if you take a step back and look from a distance, you might find out you’re not?
In which case you might be left questioning whether you can ever manage to find your right path, overcome the feelings of overwhelm, and the impossible to live up to expectations.
The first step is to go to https://zenrabbit.com right now and download the 5 Easy Ways to Start Living The Sabbatical Life guide.
Once you read it, you’ll understand how the beliefs you’ve been programmed with since birth are holding you back and keeping you stuck. It’s only 7 pages, so it won’t take you long to get through. And the five tactics are pretty simple, but once you follow even ONE of them, you’re in for a profound change.
When you’re ready to say F*ck Being Fine, then this guide is the place to start. It’s time to blaze a new trail and chart a new course!
In this very special solo episode, I'm talking about gratitude.
But let’s dig into it from a different perspective.
We'll be starting with a seemingly random question - are you interested in getting high?
Because that’s one of the neurological effects gratitude has on us - no sketchy dealer required.
It involves a particular chemical in our brains that makes us feel more gratitude, sleep better, alleviate stress and handle it better, strengthen our immune system so we're healthier, reduce depression and anxiety, and so much more.
Remember: you may think you're feeling fine, but Fine is a 4-letter word.
In a moment, you will discover how to get a hold on this "wonder drug" (you may have guessed by now, but let's find out) and also adopt five simple practices that help you experience gratitude - a fitting sentiment for Thanksgiving Day.
Given everything you're about to discover, it seems particularly fitting that I share a quote from an unlikely philosopher – Willie Nelson. He said, “When I started counting my blessings, my whole life turned around.”
At 90 years old, he might have learned some of the things we're about to explore together.
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As we head into the holiday season, you might find yourself missing out on gratitude, lacking sleep, stressed out to the max, feeling physically ill, depressed, anxious, and more.
What better time to take a step back - even if you can't get away just now.
Visit my website at https://zenrabbit.com right now and download the 5 Easy Ways to Start Living The Sabbatical Life guide.
Once you read it, you'll discover some of what's been holding you back and keeping you stuck. It’s only 7 pages, so it won’t take you long to get through. And the five tactics are pretty simple, but once you follow even ONE of them, you’re in for a profound change.
It's time to say F*ck Being Fine and find your calm in chaos. This guide is the place to start. It’s time to experience joy on this day of Thanksgiving!
First, shout-out to my previous guest, Aneta Kuzma, for connecting me with Alexandra Clayton and Michal Sinnott, who you’re about to hear from today.
Personal wellness means different things to different people.
When you get to know someone, you find out there’s a lot of unpacking to do.
Alexandra and Michal met in a female filmmaking collaborative alliance, and little did they know the exciting journey it would lead them on.
Growing up, they were both raised to appreciate the value of education in different ways. Alexandra’s parents limited her exposure to media, and they carefully curated the media she did see to focus on female leaders and women in positions of power. Michal comes from a long line of travelers and sailors, which taught her the value of education through experience.
In other ways, they were different. Alexandra was emotional, and never thought of anyone as a stranger. She grew up in a household where love was expressed freely and openly, and she said hello to everybody at the grocery store. Michal, on the other hand, was introverted and learned through acting that she could express herself by pretending to feel things she wasn’t feeling; this was very liberating for her.
As multi-hyphenates – directors, producers, and actors who have also held a variety of side gigs to support themselves – they’ve most recently come together to write a screenplay and film a movie.
It was through this experience they discovered how fine is a 4-letter word.
Their movie, called “Unpacking”, is about a wellness retreat. Through their experiences, Alexandra and Michal both appreciate the importance of community and structure. At the same time, they feel there’s currently a real lack of places for people to go and find support to draw themselves out from wherever they’re stuck and get moving forward right now. The mega-wellness industry fills the gap for a more privileged set of people, but what it has to offer is simply out of reach to many others.
In a moment, when you meet Alexandra and Michal, you’ll discover how they’re out to change all that. Hear how their experience in the “indie” movie industry, where you can create your own stories and roles without pleading for the approval of gatekeepers, has inspired them to break out of the typecast and inspire others to do the same.
Alexandra’s hype song is “I Feel Love” by Donna Summer.
Michal's hype song is "Dog Days Are Over" by Florence + The Machine.
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Also, check out Aneta Kuzma’s appearance on Fine is a 4-Letter Word by clicking here.
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Like the characters in Alexandra and Michal’s film, you may find yourself longing to escape from your life. Because it’s all too much and you’re questioning whether you can ever manage to overcome the crappy thoughts in your head, feelings of overwhelm, and the impossible to live up to expectations.
Don’t let those bullshit beliefs win!
Go to https://zenrabbit.com right now and download the 5 Easy Ways to Start Living The Sabbatical Life guide.
Once you read it, you’ll understand how the beliefs you’ve been programmed with since birth are holding you back and keeping you stuck. It’s only 7 pages, so it won’t take you long to get through. And the five tactics are pretty simple, but once you follow even ONE of them, you’re in for a profound change.
When you’re ready to say F*ck Being Fine, then this guide is the place to start. It’s time to create your own character and write your own story!
Many of the stories my guests share here on Fine is a 4-Letter Word involve dramatic downfalls, tumultuous transformations, and earth-turning evolutions.
Even if you haven’t really had one of those, I’m willing to bet there’s something going on that’s not fine. Let’s put it to the test.
Kyle Kroeger was raised in an entrepreneurial environment with four core values – work hard, do your job and be passionate about it, have your own life and be with your friends, and always ask what else you could be doing.
He went to college, graduated, and started a career working in finance. This is an industry that supports some of Kyle’s core values – work hard, do your job and be passionate about it – but it’s also a structured work environment where you’re not supposed to ask any “what else” questions. Kyle actually enjoyed it to an extent, the money was good, and everything seemed fine.
But fine is a 4-letter word.
Something was missing for Kyle.
He had a passion for exploring and travel. He spent much of his life in Minnesota but had visited Amsterdam while studying abroad and felt like it was home. So he started a side hustle, a travel journal site where he documented his journeys and shared resources to help others who wanted to see more of the word.
He asked himself a question you may have asked yourself: How could he make enough money doing it so that it could replace his finance job and let him truly live his passion?
Along the way, Kyle’s values have been tested, at one point realizing that adhering to Google’s content guidelines was stifling his creativity and passion. What’s more, after all his hard work to comply, Google changed their algorithms and brought him new challenges. This is where I found him when we sat down to chat.
In a moment, when you meet Kyle, you’ll learn more about his philosophy of pursuing your passion and maintaining your authenticity, even when compromising on your core values can make you more money faster. For him, it’s all about sharing his experiences, and one of his great joys is being a resource and guide for others who want to travel more.
Oh, and he lives in Amsterdam now – a dream come true!
Kyle’s hype song is "Lose Yourself" by Eminem.
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Like Kyle, you may find yourself torn between living a life of purpose with passion and leaving an incredible legacy, or doing what seems fine because it brings you wealth and appears to be in alignment with your core values.
If what you’re doing, if how you’re living today, isn’t bringing you joy, it’s time to change.
That’s why I created the F*ck Being Fine Experience.
It’s a life-changing program that gives you the strategies, tools, and encouragement to create new habits that will help you feel more alive, confident, and purposeful.
Discover how it works at https://zenrabbit.com/f-being-fine-program/
The first step is to take a step. Do it now!
The human body is an amazing machine.
It has resilience and capabilities most people don't understand.
But what happens to the body when we sacrifice too much in service to others?
Dr. David Gustitus was raised by parents who divorced when he was very young, but it didn't seem that bad because they were both on the same page about raising him and very involved in his upbringing.
He was taught the value of self-sacrifice - that you give and give and give, to the point of having very little regard for your own needs. Don't get a big head. Don't be full of yourself. Always put others first.
As a child, Dr. Dave had debilitating asthma. Then his mom took him to a chiropractor, who miraculously “fixed” him in about 10 minutes. He became an excellent soccer player and a great athlete.
After a stint in his 20s working for an environmental nonprofit, he found his true calling. Remembering how his childhood chiropractor changed his life and wanting to do the same for others, he went to chiropractic school and built a bustling practice. He got married and had two children. Everything seemed fine.
But fine is a 4-letter word.
While he had a great relationship with his kids, Dr. Dave’s marriage wasn't going so well. He threw himself into triathlon training as a way of "self-medicating". Physically, he was in top notch shape.
Then one day, while driving in Chicago with his 11-year old daughter, he felt a pounding in his chest and everything went white. Was it a heart attack? A panic attack? Psychosomatic? After repeated emergency room visits and numerous tests, it turned out Dr. Dave had autoimmune thyroid, called Hashimoto’s thyroiditis.
Basically, the stress caused by his self-sacrifice, combined with eating the wrong food, caused his body to attack itself. A year after knowing his marriage was over, he finally asked for a divorce. Once again, he struggled to climb stairs - ironically, just a few months after running his best triathlon and becoming a Taekwondo black belt.
What was going on here?
In a moment, when you meet Dr. Dave, you’ll hear his journey toward regaining his health and prowess. Along the way, he discovered what causes people to have health problems and why society must rewire itself to stop accepting cancer and heart disease as normal.
Dr. Dave's hype song is "I Still Haven’t Found What I’m Looking For" by U2 from the Rattle and Hum album
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Like Dr. Dave, you may think everything’s fine even though it isn’t, because you’re on the inside looking out and don’t see the warning signs.
In my special guide, 5 Easy Ways to Start Living the Sabbatical Life, you'll discover the steps to creating more success in your life through a counter-intuitive concept. It will open your eyes to some things you aren’t seeing just yet.
Before you crash and burn, you may need to slow down or even pull over. This means resting, reflecting, and recharging. And you can do this even if your current situation doesn’t let you just walk away from everything right now.
Take a moment to visit https://ZenRabbit.com and download it from the home page.
I believe humans have an innate desire to do the right thing in all areas of their business and life.
But what IS the right thing?
And what if it feels wrong to other people when you do it?
Dr. Natalie Marr was raised as the middle child of 5 in a culturally Catholic family where she learned two core values: standing up for the little guy and having a powerful work ethic.
As a therapist, she ran into imposter syndrome when she went through not one, but two divorces. How could she help others fix their problems when her own life was so messy and things weren't working out for her? Through it all, she still had her practice, and it was doing okay, and everything seemed fine.
But fine is a 4-letter word.
One day, Natalie made the decision to stop accepting insurance and switch to a private-pay model, which meant her practice almost immediately decreased to about 25% of its previous size. She did not like the way insurance treated mental health providers and undervalued their services. And the way it did not pay for specialized treatment and paid providers the same rate based on credentials regardless of their experience or expertise. By refusing to accept insurance, she was living up to her value of standing up for the little guy.
Additionally, she was also starting a coaching business and figured once she got that up and running, it would replace her previous income.
But this was just when her teenage son was preparing to go to college. How could she be so selfish? How was this in alignment with her value of standing up for the little guy - in this case, her son who was headed off to college and needed help paying for it?
Her decision made a lot of people around her uncomfortable. They criticized and judged her.
How did she overcome and persevere?
In a moment, when you meet Natalie, you'll learn about her journey toward self-acceptance and applying her deeply-rooted values to an ever-changing world. In a society where we're taught to delay self-gratification because it's "selfish" to do otherwise, you'll discover how you, too, can change your perspective to enjoy a truly aligned life.
Dr. Natalie’s hype songs are "About Damn Time" by Lizzo and "Me Too" by Meghan Trainor.
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Like Dr. Natalie, if you find yourself unsure about the right thing to do, and people around you are calling you out on your values, it can feel chaotic.
One of the key elements in my "Staying Calm in Chaos" program is how to gain and enjoy radical self-acceptance. I take you by the hand and guide you through how to go from being what others expect you to be to finding and following your truth no matter what.
It comes with some powerful, mind-changing meditations as well.
Check that out at https://get.stayingcalminchaos.com/
It's your time.
Events of the past few years have created space for many people to question their concept of how things should be.
I speak often of the "sabbatical life" and how taking a step back can help you see things that have been right in front of you all along, but you missed them because everything was moving so fast.
The pandemic brought the world as we had known it to a sudden halt.
Amy Palmer was one of those who had the fast pace of her life hit a sudden standstill. Raised in Central New York, she had a traditional upbringing that gave her a clear expectation of what life would be like. She'd do well in school, go to college, get a great job, fall in love, get married, have a couple of kids, and start a career.
Amy went to college, got a theater degree, moved to New York City, and pursued an acting career. To pay the rent, she took on sales jobs. She found she was pretty good at it, which led her to a new career that took her into operations and other corporate leadership roles. To her surprise, her acting career helped prepare her for this.
Everything seemed fine, but she didn't feel motivated.
A career coach opened her eyes to the world of entrepreneurship - something she had never thought of, because she didn't come from that sort of background.
This led to her starting a consulting firm and then accepting a leadership role with an education company that had an entrepreneurial culture.
Once again, everything seemed fine - but fine is a 4-letter word.
When COVID came along, she found herself needing something new – but what?
To find it, she had to go on sabbatical.
Could she afford it? Could she pull it off it in a culture that views any break in your work history as a red flag
In a moment, when you meet Amy, you’ll discover how unrooting herself to travel across the country, starting a podcast, and meeting people in her situation opened her eyes to a fundamental societal and cultural shift that's taking place today.
It goes beyond "quiet quitting" or "The Great Resignation" and delves into the core of what we've been taught to believe.
Amy’s hype song is “Let's Get Loud”, by Jennifer Lopez.
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Like Amy, you may have the career and life you have because “they” say you’re supposed to do it that way. But are you really supposed to?
To see it for yourself, you may need to take a step back. This means resting, reflecting, and exploring, regardless of whether your current situation lets you just walk away from everything right now.
In my special guide, 5 Easy Ways to Start Living the Sabbatical Life, you'll discover five steps to exploring this journey and finding something you haven't seen before.
Take a moment to visit https://ZenRabbit.com and download it from the home page.
Slow down. It's the only way you'll gather speed.
As children, without a frame of reference to really compare, however you're raised or whatever you experience seems to be normal.
But what if "normal" is not actually what's natural for you?
Wendy Cocke was raised in a family that owned a textile business specializing in cut and sew. From an early age, she was involved in business and financial decisions, basically as an equal member of the family. She was taught to think and problem-solve more than she was to memorize and regurgitate.
Very different from what many of her classmates experienced.
Wendy grew up and became a chemical engineer. She got married and started a family. She was living her best life, in a job doing work she loved. Everything seemed "fine".
But fine is a 4-letter word.
Her company was restructured, making her job redundant, and then the pandemic hit and she was let go with severance.
After taking 30 days off, Wendy discovered that while she had, indeed, been "fine," she had not been energized in her work. In fact, she had been very tired most of the time. But it seemed normal because that’s how everyone else was living. And it wasn’t until she spent 30 days doing nothing that she realized how not fine that was.
In a moment, when you meet Wendy, you'll discover the lessons she’s learned since then. Starting with a daylong interview for a job she thought she really wanted, even though her husband told her ahead of it that she would not be accepting that job. And the realization that working for someone else was not her destiny.
This kicked off her journey to starting her own consulting firm. Having discovered her love of mentoring in her previous job, she merged her past profession and this love by joining the faculty of her alma mater, teaching biomedical engineering.
Then she decided to write a book – and EVERYTHING changed.
Overall, Wendy had to break free from the clusterfuck of perfectionism that held her chained down. Once she did this, she experienced success she’d never even imagined was possible.
Wendy’s hype song is “9 to 5”, by Dolly Parton.
She also visits the Guns N' Roses channel on Pandora for inspiration.
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Like Wendy, you may be living how you’re living now because of the beliefs that have been programmed into you since birth. Because of the stories you’ve told yourself forever. Because it's what other people who seem to be successful are doing.
But the part that gets overlooked by most people is that true success doesn’t come from always DOING. It requires time for recharging and allowing yourself to simply BE.
I’m talking resting, reflecting, and rejuvenating every DAY, not only on the one week of vacation you might allow yourself every year, or two, or five.
In my special guide, 5 Easy Ways to Start Living the Sabbatical Life, you'll discover, step-by-step, how to do that on the regular without taking a month or year-long sabbatical.
You know how you normally hear the disclaimer “Don’t try this at home!” In this case, you CAN try this at home. And not just “try,” DO.
Visit https://ZenRabbit.com and download it from the home page.
Change begins today.
All human beings, like you, are guided by a set of values.
But when you stop and think about it, do you really know where those values came from?
What's more, will they hold up when the Universe calls your bluff?
Jason Seiden's career journey started on third base, right at the height of the dot-com boom. His first job was as an executive producer at RollingStone.com. Through an early career that saw a dizzying rise in his professional profile and a tall stack of achievements, he was fortunate enough to have bosses and colleagues who gave him the space and grace to grow at his own pace.
Among his discoveries was the challenge in defining the concept of work-life balance. In 2009 he trademarked a word - "profersonal" - to frame this challenge.
He had a great career combined with a wonderful family; everything seemed "fine".
But fine is a 4-letter word.
In 2016, he got divorced, one of his daughters became chronically ill, and he had to put his beloved dog down. His consulting career came to a halt and he took a W-2 job. He was fearful of letting his new employer know his life had become messy – which was a challenge and contradiction to his values around how work and life cannot be separated.
Then, on July 22, 2018, his 15-year-old daughter, no longer able to stand the pain from her chronic illness, took her own life.
He was forced to re-evaluate his values in literally one day, as if the Universe was challenging him: "Oh yeah, you're going to talk about this? You're going to make this your... Let's see you live your values now, Seiden."
In a moment, when you meet Jason, you'll learn about his journey to rediscovering joy following his daughter's passing. How it showed him the true, deeper source of his values and how you, too, can pass them on to family, friends, colleagues, and everybody you encounter.
It involves creating a new relationship with your intuition and learning radical self-acceptance when you find yourself falling short of living up to your values on any particular day.
Overall, Jason had to break free from the emotional shitshow brought on when everything fell apart, so that he could go on to be a positive force for change.
Jason’s hype song is "Welcome to the Jungle", by Guns 'n' Roses.
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Like Jason, if it hasn't happened already, you may find yourself making a values choice - do you want to live a life of purpose with passion and leave an incredible legacy, or do you just want to be able to get out of bed every morning?
Wherever this finds you right now, a better version of you is waiting.
If what you’re doing, if how you’re living today, isn’t bringing you joy, it’s time to change.
That’s why I created the F*ck Being Fine Experience.
It’s a life-changing program that gives you the strategies, tools, and encouragement to create new habits that will help you feel more alive, confident, and purposeful.
Discover how it works at https://zenrabbit.com/f-being-fine-program/
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