SPECIAL NOTE: Please note that this is the final episode of "First Voices Radio." After 33 years, we are going off the air.

This episode is available for the week starting Monday, July 7 through Sunday, July 13. Thank you all for your support of the show! We appreciate you so much and have valued you as a member of the First Voices Radio family! If you want to reach out to Tiokasin, he can be reached at [email protected]. Liz can be reached at [email protected].

Guests:

Tiokasin is joined by Producer Liz Hill (Red Lake Ojibwe) and Co-Host Anne Kelly (Kanaka Maoli) during this final episode of "First Voices Radio."

Production Credits:

Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), Host and Executive Producer
Anne Keala Kelly (Kanaka Maoli), Co-Host
Liz Hill (Red Lake Ojibwe), Producer
Orlando DuPont, Studio Engineer, Radio Kingston
Tiokasin Ghosthorse, Audio Editor

Music Selections:

1. Song Title: Tahi Roots Mix (First Voices Radio Theme Song)
Artist: Moana and the Moa Hunters
Album: Tahi (1993)
Label: Southside Records (Australia and New Zealand)

2. Song Title: Dear Ko (To Ko the Regt.)
Artist: Nacho Maldonado (feat. Jim Doney)
Album: Point Zero (2021)
Label: Nacho Maldonado

3. Song Title: Tom's Diner (cover)
Artist: AnnenMayKantereit x Giant Rooks
Album: Tom's Diner (2019)
Label: Vertigo

About First Voices Radio:

"First Voices Radio," which is going off the air after 33 years, is a nationally/internationally syndicated one-hour radio program originating from and heard weekly on Radio Kingston WKNY 1490 AM and 107.9 FM in Kingston, New York. Hosted by Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), who is the show's Founder and Executive Producer, "First Voices Radio" explores global topics and issues of critical importance to the preservation and protection of Mother Earth presented in the voices and from the perspective of the original peoples of the world.

Akantu Intelligence:

Visit Akantu Intelligence, an institute that Tiokasin founded with a mission of contextualizing original wisdom for troubled times. Go to https://akantuintelligence.org to find out more and consider joining his Patreon page at https://www.patreon.com/Ghosthorse

This is the second-to-last broadcast of "First Voices Radio." Although the show is leaving the airwaves (the last episode will be Sunday, July 6), Tiokasin wants listeners and supporters to know that he isn't "retiring." Rather, as he says, he's "transitioning, moving into these dimensions that are still offered in life." If listeners want to keep up with him, they can join his Facebook page, Instagram (although he's not very active on that platform), his Patreon https://www.patreon.com/Ghosthorse and, of course, "First Voices Radio's" website at https://firstvoicesindigenousradio.org/, where past shows on many topics can be found. Tiokasin can be emailed at [email protected].

Frequent guest, longtime supporter and friend of "First Voices Radio" Steven Newcomb (Shawnee/Lenape) has been researching the history of U.S. federal Indian law and policy for four decades. Steve is recognized as one of the world's leading authorities on the Doctrine of Christian Discovery and the influence of the Vatican papal decrees of the fifteenth century on U.S. law and has published several law review articles on the subject. His book "Pagans in the Promised Land: Decoding the Doctrine of Christian Discovery" (Fulcrum, 2008), is the basis for "The Doctrine of Discovery: Unmasking the Domination Code," a documentary movie directed by Sheldon Wolfchild (Dakota). Originalfreenations.com and Indigenous Law Institute are two websites where some of his work can found. He can be contacted at [email protected] or [email protected]. Steve also publishes on Substack at The Domination Chronicles.

Tiokasin talks about the upcoming book, "Earth Mind" which he is co-authoring with Robert Toth and Dr. John Briggs. Tiokasin says: "In writing this book we have made every effort to respect our readers by not telling them what actions to take if they agree with us on the importance of holocentric consciousness to life on Earth. Here, we propose no new ideology, philosophy or religion - no "to do" list of steps in order to establish a new Earth Mind-centered culture and fix the problems created by modern humans' aggressively anthropocentric approach to pretty much everything. We think that proposing "solutions" will only lead people back into more anthropocentric thinking, falling into the trap of trying to fix the harm created by that thinking by applying more of it. Proposing solutions is comforting but it hasn't worked very well. We need to go deeper."

Production Credits:

Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), Host and Executive Producer

Liz Hill (Red Lake Ojibwe), Producer

Orlando DuPont, Studio Engineer, Radio Kingston

Tiokasin Ghosthorse, Audio Editor

Music Selections:

1. Song Title: Tahi Roots Mix (First Voices Radio Theme Song)
Artist: Moana and the Moa Hunters
Album: Tahi (1993)
Label: Southside Records (Australia and New Zealand)

2. Song Title: Me More Cowboy Than You
Artist: The Brudi Brothers
Album: Me More Cowboy Than You (Demo, 2025)
Label: Fat and Sassy Records

3. Song Title: Enough
Artist: Kingfisha
Album: Kingfisha (2012)
Label: 886788 Records DK

4. Song Title: World Spirit
Artist: Gregg Kofi Brown, Novecento
Album: Together as One (2006)
Label: Nicolosi Productions

5. Song Title: Ball and Chain
Artist: J-Milla and Xavier Rudd
Album: Jan Juc Moon (2022)
Label: Virgin Music

About First Voices Radio:

"First Voices Radio," now in its 33rd year on the air, is a nationally/internationally syndicated one-hour radio program originating from and heard weekly on Radio Kingston WKNY 1490 AM and 107.9 FM in Kingston, New York. Hosted by Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), who is the show's Founder and Executive Producer, "First Voices Radio" explores global topics and issues of critical importance to the preservation and protection of Mother Earth presented in the voices and from the perspective of the original peoples of the world.

Akantu Intelligence:
Visit Akantu Intelligence, an institute that Tiokasin founded with a mission of contextualizing original wisdom for troubled times. Go to https://akantuintelligence.org to find out more and consider joining his Patreon page at https://www.patreon.com/Ghosthorse

Ukumbwa Sauti, M.Ed. is a Consultant, Facilitator, Educator and Program Developer on issues of Anti-Racism, Anti-Patriarchy, Men's Work, Consent and Culture. He has worked with religious organizations, cultural groups and regional organizations and has taught in higher education for 16 years engaging issues of Race, Gender, Environmental issues, Media and Culture. Ukumbwa has been a member and supportive of numerous local, national and international organizations and movements advocating for Pan-Africanism, Anti-Racism, Relationship, Sexual and Intimacy safety and education and Men's Development. Ukumbwa has presented across New England, USAmerica, California, Toronto and Barbados. He has worked as Social Media Director for Voice Male Magazine and an organizer for the Greater Boston Men's Network and is currently the moderator for the Men's Work Initiative. More about Ukumbwa is at https://linktr.ee/UkumbwaSautiConsultantEducator

Production Credits:

Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), Host and Executive Producer
Liz Hill (Red Lake Ojibwe), Producer
Orlando DuPont, Studio Engineer, Radio Kingston
Tiokasin Ghosthorse, Audio Editor

Music Selections:

1. Song Title: Tahi Roots Mix (First Voices Radio Theme Song)
Artist: Moana and the Moa Hunters
Album: Tahi (1993)
Label: Southside Records (Australia and New Zealand)

2. Song Title: Jah Spirit
Artist: Billy Cobham
Album: Drum 'n' Voice (2015)
Label: Just Groove

3. Song Title: Theo's Dream
Artist: Robert Mirabel
Album: Indians Indians (2003)
Label: Silver Wave Records

4. Song Title: Lonely Dirt Road
Artist: Dax
Album: From a Man's Perspective (2024)
Label: Columbia Records

5. Song Title: Enough
Artist: Kingfisha
Album: Kingfisha (2012)
Label: 886788 Records DK

6. Song Title: I Can't Give Everything Away
Artist: Spoon
Album: I Can't Give Everything Away (2022)
Label: Columbia Records

About First Voices Radio:

"First Voices Radio," now in its 33rd year on the air, is an internationally syndicated one-hour radio program originating from and heard weekly on Radio Kingston WKNY 1490 AM and 107.9 FM in Kingston, New York. Hosted by Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), who is the show's Founder and Executive Producer, "First Voices Radio" explores global topics and issues of critical importance to the preservation and protection of Mother Earth presented in the voices and from the perspective of the original peoples of the world.

Akantu Intelligence:

Visit Akantu Intelligence, an institute that Tiokasin founded with a mission of contextualizing original wisdom for troubled times. Go to https://akantuintelligence.org to find out more and consider joining his Patreon page at https://www.patreon.com/Ghosthorse

The problem of syphilis infections and congenital syphilis cases in the U.S. is extremely alarming and has hit Indian Country very hard. Co-Host Anne Keala Kelly (Kanaka Maoli) talked with Amanda Singer (Diné), Executive Director of the Navajo Breastfeeding Coalition/Diné Doula Collective in Window Rock, Arizona about this serious issue. Amanda is a Certified Lactation Counselor and Indigenous Doula.The organization's mission is to improve the health of Navajo families by providing compassionate unbiased, and accessible care to improving all birthing families and Infant health through holistic traditional practices and to promote healing.

Production Credits:

Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), Host and Executive Producer
Anne Keala Kelly (Kanaka Maoli), Co-Host
Liz Hill (Red Lake Ojibwe), Producer
Orlando DuPont, Studio Engineer, Radio Kingston
Anne Keala Kelly, Audio Editor

Music Selections:

1. Song Title: Tahi Roots Mix (First Voices Radio Theme Song)
Artist: Moana and the Moa Hunters
Album: Tahi (1993)
Label: Southside Records (Australia and New Zealand)

2. Song Title: Little One
Artist: Sharon Burch
Album: Yazzie Girl (1989)
Label: Canyon Records

3. Song Title: Grandmother's Ways
Artist: Sharon Burch
Album: Touch the Sweet Earth (1995)
Label: Canyon Records

4. Song Title: The Peacemaker is Born
Artist: Joanne Shenandoah
Album: Peacemaker's Journey (2000)
Label: Silver Wave Records

About First Voices Radio:

"First Voices Radio," now in its 32nd year on the air, is an internationally syndicated one-hour radio program originating from and heard weekly on Radio Kingston WKNY 1490 AM and 107.9 FM in Kingston, New York. Hosted by Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), who is the show's Founder and Executive Producer, "First Voices Radio" explores global topics and issues of critical importance to the preservation and protection of Mother Earth presented in the voices and from the perspective of the original peoples of the world.

Akantu Intelligence:

Visit Akantu Intelligence, an institute that Tiokasin founded with a mission of contextualizing original wisdom for troubled times. Go to https://akantuintelligence.org to find out more and consider joining his Patreon page at https://www.patreon.com/Ghosthorse

Guest Maxine Hammond Dashu, known professionally as Max Dashu, is an American feminist historian, author, and artist. Her areas of expertise include female iconography, mother-right cultures and the origins of patriarchy. Max founded the Suppressed Histories Archives (global women's history) and is the author of "Witches and Pagans: Women in European Folk Culture." https://www.suppressedhistories.net/

Production Credits:

Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), Host and Executive Producer
Liz Hill (Red Lake Ojibwe), Producer
Orlando DuPont, Studio Engineer, Radio Kingston, WKNY 1490 AM and 107.9 FM, Kingston, NY
Tiokasin Ghosthorse, Audio Editor

Music Selections:

1. Song Title: Tahi Roots Mix (First Voices Radio Theme Song)
Artist: Moana and the Moa Hunters
Album: Tahi (1993)
Label: Southside Records (Australia and New Zealand)

2. Song Title: The Dream
Artist: Robert Mirabal
Album: N/A
Label: N/A

3. Song Title: Hurricane
Artist: Bob Dylan
Album: Desire (1976)
Label: Columbia

About First Voices Radio:

"First Voices Radio," now in its 32nd year on the air, is an internationally syndicated one-hour radio program originating from and heard weekly on Radio Kingston WKNY 1490 AM and 107.9 FM in Kingston, New York. Hosted by Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), who is the show's Founder and Executive Producer, "First Voices Radio" explores global topics and issues of critical importance to the preservation and protection of Mother Earth presented in the voices and from the perspective of the original peoples of the world.

Akantu Intelligence:

Visit Akantu Intelligence, an institute that Tiokasin founded with a mission of contextualizing original wisdom for troubled times. Go to https://akantuintelligence.org to find out more and consider joining his Patreon page at https://www.patreon.com/Ghosthorse

Host Tiokasin Ghosthorse's thoughts on "sustainability" with a mix of music that fits the theme. "How is your heart? How is your mind? How is your body and how is your body treating you? How is life treating you? Or are you treating your life? I wonder about this word "sustainability." To me it's "sustain-ability" to live with earth. Our mind is, of course, gathering information from all points and not one linear beginning and ending." - Tiokasin Ghosthorse

Production Credits:

Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), Host and Executive Producer
Liz Hill (Red Lake Ojibwe), Producer
Orlando DuPont, Radio Kingston Studio Engineer

Music Selections:

1. Song Title: Tahi Roots Mix (First Voices Radio Theme Song)
Artist: Moana and the Moa Hunters
Album: Tahi (1993)
Label: Southside Records (Australia and New Zealand)

2. Song Title: Wander This World
Artist: Jonny Lang
Album: Wander This World (1998)
Label: A&M Records

3. Song Title: Strength to Survive
Artist: Toronzo Cannon
Album: The Chicago Way (2016)
Label: Alligator Records

4. Song Title: Blue Collar
Artist: Bachman-Turner Overdrive
Album: Bachman-Turner Overdrive (1973)
Labels: Mercury Records, MCA Records, Curb Records

5. Song Title: What About Me
Artist: Quicksilver Messenger Service
Album: What About Me (1970)
Label: Capitol Records

6. Song Title: Suavecito
Artist: Malo with Jorge Santana (and this version feat.Tiokasin Ghosthorse)
Album: Malo (1972)
Label: Warner Bros. Records

7. Song Title: Butterfly (Beaivelottáš)
Artist: Mari Boine
Album: Eight Seasons (Gávcci Jahkejuogu) (2002)
Label: Northside

About First Voices Radio:

"First Voices Radio," now in its 32nd year on the air, is an internationally syndicated one-hour radio program originating from and heard weekly on Radio Kingston WKNY 1490 AM and 107.9 FM in Kingston, New York. Hosted by Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), who is the show's Founder and Executive Producer, "First Voices Radio" explores global topics and issues of critical importance to the preservation and protection of Mother Earth presented in the voices and from the perspective of the original peoples of the world.

Akantu Intelligence:

Visit Akantu Intelligence, an institute that Tiokasin founded with a mission of contextualizing original wisdom for troubled times. Go to https://akantuintelligence.org to find out more and consider joining his Patreon page at https://www.patreon.com/Ghosthorse

A monologue by Host Tiokasin Ghosthorse in the first half-hour followed by music in the second half-hour.

Music Selections:

1. Song Title: Tahi Roots Mix (First Voices Radio Theme Song)
Artist: Moana and the Moa Hunters
Album: Tahi (1993)
Label: Southside Records (Australia and New Zealand)

2. Song Title: Mind Control
Artist: Stephen Marley
Album: Mind Control (2007)
Label: Tuff Gong

3. Song Title: Feels Like Summer
Artist: Donald Glover - Childish Gambino
Album: Summer Pack (2018)
Label: Wolf + Rothstein/RCA Records

4. Song Title: Some of Us are Brave
Artist: Danielle Ponder
Album: Some of Us are Brave
Label: Future Classic

5. Song Title:Peyote Healing
Artist: Robbie Robertson
Album: Contact from the Underworld of Redboy
Label: Capitol Records

6. Song Title: All Human Beings
Artists: Max Richter, KiKi Layne, Mari Samuelson
Album: All HumanBeings
Label: Decca Records

7. Song Title: Carnival
Artist: Natalie Merchant
Album: Tigerlily (1995)
Label: Elektra

Production Credits:

Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), Host and Executive Producer
Liz Hill (Red Lake Ojibwe), Producer
Malcolm Burn, Audio Editor
Orlando DuPont, Radio Kingston Studio Engineer

About First Voices Radio:

"First Voices Radio," now in its 32nd year on the air, is an internationally syndicated one-hour radio program originating from and heard weekly on Radio Kingston WKNY 1490 AM and 107.9 FM in Kingston, New York. Hosted by Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), who is the show's Founder and Executive Producer, "First Voices Radio" explores global topics and issues of critical importance to the preservation and protection of Mother Earth presented in the voices and from the perspective of the original peoples of the world.

Akantu Intelligence:

Visit Akantu Intelligence, an institute that Tiokasin founded with a mission of contextualizing original wisdom for troubled times. Go to https://akantuintelligence.org to find out more and consider joining his Patreon page at https://www.patreon.com/Ghosthorse

Linford D. Fisher is an Associate Professor of History at Brown University. His research and teaching relate primarily to the cultural and religious history of colonial America and the Atlantic world, including Native Americans, religion, material culture, and Indian and African slavery and servitude. He is the author of "The Indian Great Awakening: Religion and the Shaping of Native Cultures in Early America" (2012) and the co-author of "Decoding Roger Williams: The Lost Essay of Rhode Island's Founding Father" (2014). Professor Fisher is the author of more than a dozen articles, book chapters, and essays on a diverse array of topics. He is currently finishing a history of Native American enslavement in the English colonies and the United States between Columbus and the American Civil War, tentatively titled "America Enslaved: The Rise and Fall of Indian Slavery in the English Atlantic and the United States." He is also the principal investigator of the "Stolen Relations: Recovering Stories of Indigenous Enslavement in the Americas" project, which seeks to create a public, centralized database of Native slavery throughout the Americas and across time. More information at indigenousslavery.org.

Production Credits:

Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), Host and Executive Producer
Liz Hill (Red Lake Ojibwe), Producer
Orlando DuPont, Radio Kingston Studio Engineer

Music Selections:

1. Song Title: Tahi Roots Mix (First Voices Radio Theme Song)
Artist: Moana and the Moa Hunters
Album: Tahi (1993)
Label: Southside Records (Australia and New Zealand)

2. Song Title: Rolling Thunder
Artist: Leela Gilday
Album: North Star Calling (2019)
Label: Diva Sound Records

3. Song: States I'm In
Artist: Bruce Cockburn
CD: Bone on Bone (2017)
Label: True North

4. Song Title: K'eintah Natse Ju
Artist: Leela Gilday
Album: North Star Calling (2019)
Label: Diva Sound Records

5. Song Title: From the Beginning (remastered 2015)
Artist: Emerson, Lake and Palmer
Album: Trilogy (1972)
Label: Cotillion Records

6. Song Title: It's a Sign
Artist: Smokey D Palmtree
Album: Peach of Mind (2021)
Label: Produced, mixed, and mastered by Adrian D Thomas (AKA Smokey D Palmtree)

About First Voices Radio:

"First Voices Radio," now in its 32nd year on the air, is an internationally syndicated one-hour radio program originating from and heard weekly on Radio Kingston WKNY 1490 AM and 107.9 FM in Kingston, New York. Hosted by Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), who is the show's Founder and Executive Producer, "First Voices Radio" explores global topics and issues of critical importance to the preservation and protection of Mother Earth presented in the voices and from the perspective of the original peoples of the world.

Akantu Intelligence:

Visit Akantu Intelligence, an institute that Tiokasin founded with a mission of contextualizing original wisdom for troubled times. Go to https://akantuintelligence.org to find out more and consider joining his Patreon page at https://www.patreon.com/Ghosthorse

Guest Manish Jain - a radical "unlearner" and rethinker of education - is deeply committed to regenerating our diverse local knowledge systems, cultural imaginations and inter-cultural dialogue. Inspired by MK Gandhi, Rabindranath Tagore, Sri Aurobindo, Ivan Illich, his village grandmother, Indigenous communities and Jain spiritual philosophy, Manish is one of the leading planetary voices for de-schooling our lives. He has helped thousands of young people escape from factory schooling and recover their dignity, self-worth and "alivelihoods." Manish, a Harvard alumnus and former investment banker with Morgan Stanley, has also worked for UNESCO and UNICEF among other, came to question the dominant economic model, and not least, the Western-style education model that is perpetuating destructive growth and development, and fomenting a 'West is Best' mindset. He is the co-founder of Shikshantar: The Peoples' Institute for Rethinking Education and Development, Swaraj University, India's first self-designed people's university where each learner (ages 17-28) can join and work on their unique path, and the Ecoversities Alliance, a global network of alternative universities.

Guest Felipe Viveros is an independent researcher, strategist and consultant specializing in campaigning, program design and fundraising. He has worked with governments and organizations globally pioneering the prototyping and implementation of a new development paradigm, and has served as the European representative of the GNH Centre Bhutan, the board Chair of /TR and at the Sacred Head Waters Initiative. Felipe also is co-writer of "In the Anthropocene" (a favorite FVR song over the years) performed by Nick Mulvey.

Production Credits:

Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), Host and Executive Producer
Liz Hill (Red Lake Ojibwe), Producer
Orlando DuPont, Radio Kingston Studio Engineer

Music Selections:

1. Song Title: Tahi Roots Mix (First Voices Radio Theme Song)
Artist: Moana and the Moa Hunters
Album: Tahi (1993)
Label: Southside Records (Australia and New Zealand)

2. Song Title: In the Anthropocene
Artist: Nick Mulvey
Album: N/A - released as a single in October 2019
Label: N/A; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYnaQIvBRAE

About First Voices Radio:

"First Voices Radio," now in its 32nd year on the air, is an internationally syndicated one-hour radio program originating from and heard weekly on Radio Kingston WKNY 1490 AM and 107.9 FM in Kingston, New York. Hosted by Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), who is the show's Founder and Executive Producer, "First Voices Radio" explores global topics and issues of critical importance to the preservation and protection of Mother Earth presented in the voices and from the perspective of the original peoples of the world.

Akantu Intelligence:

Visit Akantu Intelligence, an institute that Tiokasin founded with a mission of contextualizing original wisdom for troubled times. Go to https://akantuintelligence.org to find out more and consider joining his Patreon page at https://www.patreon.com/Ghosthorse

London and Ibiza based singer and songwriter Nick Mulvey has always been immersed in the world of music. Before launching his solo career in 2012, Nick gathered a treasure trove of musical experiences. He studied music and art in Havana, Cuba, and was an integral part of the Mercury Award-nominated Portico Quartet. Nick's debut album, "First Mind" was a remarkable debut that left a lasting impression on all who listened. Since then, he has continued to create music and tour whenever possible, balancing his roles as a devoted dad and a beloved musician. In Nick's short cinematic film, which expands on the themes of "Begin Again," he says: "We are living through an incredible shift. The old ways are dying, right before our very eyes." View the film: https://youtu.be/wRyIuFRbSQA. More about Nick: https://nickmulvey.com/

Production Credits:

Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), Host and Executive Producer
Liz Hill (Red Lake Ojibwe), Producer
Orlando DuPont, Studio Engineer, Radio Kingston, WKNY 1490 AM and 107.9 FM, Kingston, NY
Tiokasin Ghosthorse, Audio Editor

Music Selections:

1. Song Title: Tahi Roots Mix (First Voices Radio Theme Song)
Artist: Moana and the Moa Hunters
Album: Tahi (1993)
Label: Southside Records (Australia and New Zealand)

2. Film: Nick Mulvey - Begin Again (A Short Film) - December 2020
Artist: Nick Mulvey
YouTube: https://youtu.be/wRyIuFRbSQA

3. Song Title: In the Anthropocene
Artist: Nick Mulvey
Released as a single in 2019
Label: N/A

About First Voices Radio:

"First Voices Radio," now in its 32nd year on the air, is an internationally syndicated one-hour radio program originating from and heard weekly on Radio Kingston WKNY 1490 AM and 107.9 FM in Kingston, New York. Hosted by Tiokasin Ghosthorse (Lakota), who is the show's Founder and Executive Producer, "First Voices Radio" explores global topics and issues of critical importance to the preservation and protection of Mother Earth presented in the voices and from the perspective of the original peoples of the world.

Akantu Intelligence:

Visit Akantu Intelligence, an institute that Tiokasin founded with a mission of contextualizing original wisdom for troubled times. Go to https://akantuintelligence.org to find out more and consider joining his Patreon page at https://www.patreon.com/Ghosthorse