In this episode, Fran Spielman interviews Forrest Claypool, discussing his extensive career in various roles in Chicago's public sector. Claypool talks about his new book on Richard M. Daley. They delve into Daley's complex legacy, including episodes of corruption and his struggle with personal losses. Claypool emphasizes the significance of strong leadership in urban governance, citing Daley's tenure as a model for other American cities. The book is called The Daley Show: Inside the Transformative Reign of Chicago's Richard M. Daley.