We start the podcast with a discussion about a discussion! Namely, how to decide the leagues, and what process is best.

Then, we must warn you, this episode gets very self-indulgent. As we celebrate four years podding, we look back at some memories from the early days, early motivations and key moments! For some, it may be of no interest. But we don't talk about ourselves *too* often, so hopefully you'll allow it this time. if you've been part of the NTT20 'journey' it might be a nice listen!

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