My guest today is Francesca Gino, a professor at Harvard Business School focused on why people make the decisions they do at work, and how leaders and employees have more productive, creative and fulfilling lives.

Harvard is well-known for their case studies being used by colleges and companies all over the world, and when I saw she wrote a case study on Steve Kerr, I had to get her on the podcast. Our conversation today starts with lessons learned from studying and talking to Coach Kerr. Then we shift to the topic of her best selling book, Rebel Talent: Why it Pays to Break Rules in Work and Life. She was one of the most impressive people I’ve talked to before, and if I haven’t convinced you to listen yet, know she had just finished a session teaching an NBA staff on various topics.

My co-host today is Oliver Winterbone, Director of Coaches and Executives at Wasserman, one of the premiere talent management companies in the world. He previously worked for the Oklahoma City Thunder and University of Florida Men’s Basketball program in various roles. The Athletic named him to their NBA 40 under 40 list earlier this year.

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