Journalist and author Frank Smyth joins the show to discuss the NRA and the gun lobby's deep-seated ideology -- all centered around the slippery slope that even a little bit of gun regulation could lead to "tyranny" and even "genocide" in their eyes. Frank's followed the NRA for nearly 40 years. He and Joe might not agree on everything but his perspective on what needs to be done is worth a listen.

Check out Frank's work at franksmyth.com.

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