Last week I spoke with ARLIE HOCHSCHILD, author of STRANGERS IN THEIR OWN LAND: Anger & Mourning on the American Right, about the Trump years, the insurrection, and the future. Here's the link to our 2021 conversation. Given the inauguration of Biden and Harris and the several immense crises we face, nothing may be more important at this moment than understanding our neighbors with whom we disagree. So here’s my 2018 conversation with Hochschild, in which we talk about her path to her current work and lessons learned from the folks she listened to. Finally we ask what new story might inspire more Americans to yearn for the future more than the past.