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ASTRA TAYLOR takes democracy seriously - in her documentary WHAT IS DEMOCRACY? and her book, DEMOCRACY MAY NOT EXIST, BUT WE"LL MISS IT WHEN IT"S GONE. In our 2020 conversation, we explore its early roots as well as its current embattled state. She reminds us that real democracy—fully inclusive and egalitarian—has never existed. Both ancient Athens and the original US were slave states. Can we restore rule of the people to the current American rule of the wealthy? Can democracy handle big challenges like the Coronovirus pandemic and climate change?