A dreadful result but how bad was the performance? Well a couple of The Anfield Wrap thinks it was really rather abject from Liverpool against Manchester City and that both players and manager should be expecting more and better.

Both the defence and the midfield three come under real criticism and the key decision of the game is discussed at length. Was Jon Moss right to send Mane off? Was it a terrible decision? Or just demonstrative of the balancing act referees have to go through? And what about Mo Salah's performance and half time substitution?

To pick the bones out of all this and far more from the game for 80 minutes Neil Atkinson is joined by Philippa Smallwood, Mo Stewart and Stu Wright. We don't talk about 5-0 reverses on The Anfield Wrap so this one is unique. It had best stay that way.

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