This week Clemmie chats to Gemma Cairney about friendship. Gemma is a woman with an incredibly impressive career. She's a former Brit School pupil and fashion stylist, she's a broadcaster, a documentary maker, a journalist and producer.

Gemma has presented across the breadth of the BBC including BBC 6 Music, BBC Radio 4, and Radio 1, and she's written for, edited, and contributed to the Guardian, Red, Glamour, Cosmopolitan, and Elle.

She has won Sony awards for her documentaries, she was the Southbank Artist in Residence and on the WOW panel. And if that's not enough, she's also an author too. He first book Open Your Heart: Your World and Your Future was released in 2018, as was her edition of Hometown Tales, all about life on the south coast.

In this episode Clemmie and Gemma talk about what friendship means to them, how they've gained and lost friends by choice, and how losing a close friend can totally alter your outlook on life.

You can find Gemma on Instagram @gemagain or on Twitter @gemcairn.

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