In this conversation, Jim and Jared delve into Deleuze's essay 'Postscript on the Societies of Control,' exploring the transition from disciplinary societies to control societies. They discuss how modernity has shifted from a focus on confinement and discipline to a more diffuse form of control characterized by modulation and debt. The conversation highlights the implications of technology, social media, and the illusion of individualism in shaping contemporary experiences of control and achievement.