Fruitless

Taking a brief* intermission from Christian Rock Summer, this is the fifth installment of the Fruitless Bookclub, a show-within-a-show, featuring Chris Barker and Jake the Lawyer, where we read all those nonfiction books we've been meaning to read.  Today's episode is about If We Burn: The Mass Protest Decade and the Missing Revolution by Vincent Bevins. We talk about Occupy, the Arab Spring, Euromaidan, and so many other massive, spontaneous political movements during the 2010s that, ultimately, ended in defeat. Why did this happen? And what can we learn from the decade of mass protest?

*the longest episode of Fruitless, and I think longest episode of any podcast, I've ever done

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Music & audio credits

• Yesterday – bloom.
• In My Dreams – bloom.

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It's Christian Rock Summer! This is the second episode in a month long exploration of the fringes of Christian music with Josh Christianson joining me as co-host. We're talking "not a Christian band, just Christians in a band." We're talking Christianity being more of a relationship than a religion. 

On today's episode, Josh and I tackle the godfather of Christian indie, David Bazan of Pedro the Lion. We discuss Bazan's life and career trajectory, his messy "break up with God," and his role as a friend and critic of evangelicalism. We also discuss some of my favorite songs ever written.

Music by SHADE08
Additional audio credits

• "BCPOD 22 David Bazan of Pedro the Lion," Bad Christian
• Strange Negotiations (2019)

It's Christian Rock Summer! This is the second episode in a month long exploration of the fringes of Christian music with Josh Christianson joining Josiah as co-host. We're talking "not a Christian band, just Christians in a band." We're talking Christianity being more of a relationship than a religion. 

On today's episode, Nathan Thiessen (@NateT93) joins Josh and Josiah to talk about the post-hardcore band, Emery, and the podcast it gave birth to: Bad Christian. They discuss the band's role in the world of Christian alternative music, the complex relationship with purity culture in their early lyrics, and the way that they represented something of an off-ramp for many young people within conservative evangelicalism, including Josiah and Nate. 

• Follow today's guest on Instagram @nathanthiessenmusic and on Twitter @NateT93
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References

• The Emery Episode, Spotify Playlist, https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5rfYKX6Os6RiyWyhVpyyQS?si=87257b46a1c6433c
• "BCPOD 22 David Bazan of Pedro the Lion," Bad Christian, https://open.spotify.com/episode/6C91sZZAdfMalhbLLKL1U0?si=9884b165081e4c7d
• NPR, All Things Considered, "Christians Turn To Podcasts To Say Things They Can't Say In Church," https://www.npr.org/transcripts/518644045?storyId=518644045/?storyId=518644045
• "What Would Jesus Sell? w. Toby Morrell (Bad Christian / Emery)," The System is Down on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76adDwor0rc
• songmeanings.com
• "Christian Rocker, 10-Year Mars Hill Member Says Mark Driscoll Resignation Is 'Good News'," The Christian Post, https://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-rocker-10-year-mars-hill-member-says-mark-driscoll-resignation-is-good-news.html 
• "Matt Carter," Rise Seattle Podcast, http://www.riseseattlepodcast.com/podcast/2017/10/16/s2-e3-matt-carter-bad-christians-in-seattle
• "Toby Morrell," Christian Metal Group FB on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnxKTBSp4Y8

Audio credits

• Jesus Freak - dc Talk
• Walls - Emery
• NPR, All Things Considered, "Christians Turn To Podcasts To Say Things They Can't Say In Church."
• "What Would Jesus Sell? w. Toby Morrell (Bad Christian / Emery)," The System is Down on YouTube
• Yesterday – bloom.
• The Party Song - Emery
• World Away - Emery
• Cutthroat Collapse - Emery
• Fractions - Emery
• Bloodless - Emery
• So Cold I Could See My Breath - Emery
• Studying Politics - Emery
• Returning the Smile You Have Had From the Start - Emery
• Listening to Freddie Mercury - Emery
• Rock-N-Rule - Emery
• Can't Stop the Killer - Emery
• Don't Bore Us, Get to the Chorus - Emery
• Butcher's Mouth - Emery
• The Smile, The Face - Emery

It's Christian Rock Summer! This is the beginning of a month long exploration of the fringes of Christian music with Josh Christianson joining Josiah as co-host. We're talking "not a Christian band, just Christians in a band." We're talking Christianity being more of a relationship than a religion. 

On today's episode, James (@cigarette_liker) joins Josh and Josiah to discuss the hardcore/metalcore/mathcore band, The Chariot, and its charismatic front man, Josh Scogin. They discuss the band's discography, their notorious live shows, what made them unique at the time, and whether or not there is a political or religious philosophy behind it all.

NOTE: I recorded the Patreon shout outs for this episode in June, so I missed a new person. So you get a shout out in the show notes. Thank you for supporting the show, racecaracecaracecar!

• Follow today's guest on Twitter @cigarette_liker and on Bluesky @cigaretteliker
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References

• The The Chariot Episode, Spotify Playlist, https://open.spotify.com/playlist/67c0zm8pnEOJDm5RkEt5ZX?si=98987567dc45493f 
• Video to watch to get a feel for The Chariot's energy, the infamous pears incident: "THE CHARIOT PERTH 2011," https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR4uoOVah7I
• Another good video to see their stage presence: "The Chariot - Live in Plan B, Moscow 05.04.2012," https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htdulnrNKyM
• hate5six on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/@hate5six
• I learned about Scogin leaving Norma Jean in the middle of a show from this essay: "The Theology of the Chariot," Mason Mennenga, https://masonmennenga.com/writings-1/2020/12/23/the-theology-of-the-chariot
• uswithoutThem, https://uswithoutthempod.com/
• "Jonathan Kindler: The Chariot," The BlackSheep Podcast, https://hmmagazine.com/podcast/jonathan-kindler-the-chariot/
• "Stephen Harrison: The Chariot and Fever 333," The BlackSheep Podcast, https://hmmagazine.com/podcast/stephen-harrison-the-chariot-and-fever-333
• "Bryan Taylor: The Chariot, The Threats, and Slowriter," The BlackSheep Podcast, https://hmmagazine.com/podcast/bryan-taylor-the-chariot-the-threats-and-slowriter/
• "Ex-The Chariot Members Say Josh Scogin Fired Them Because God Told Him To," The PRP, https://www.theprp.com/2018/06/04/news/ex-the-chariot-members-say-josh-scogin-fired-them-because-god-told-him-to/
• Ladies and Gentlemen... The Chariot: Tour Documentary, YouTube, originally on DVD, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voQ0A3P2Zy0
• The Chariot live at the Chameleon Club, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNBkiBbDs3Y
• "Josh Scogin of The Chariot - Testimony at Soulfest," SoulFest on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_O9InNvZwU

Audio credits

• Jesus Freak - dc Talk
• Josh Scogin of The Chariot - Testimony at Soulfest," SoulFest on YouTube
• "Bryan Taylor: The Chariot, The Threats, and Slowriter," The BlackSheep Podcast
• Yesterday – bloom.
• The Company, The Comfort, The Grave - The Chariot
• Memphis Will Be Laid to Waste - Norma Jean
• And Shot Each Other - The Chariot
• "The Chariot - Live in Plan B, Moscow 05.04.2012," https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htdulnrNKyM
• "THE CHARIOT PERTH 2011," https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR4uoOVah7I
• Back to Back - The Chariot
• Teach: - The Chariot
• In My Dreams – bloom.
• The City - The Chariot

Hey everyone! Something came up and so I won't be able to release another free episode in June. To make up for that, I'm releasing this Patreon episode to the main feed. If you want a bit more detail, you can check out this Patreon post: https://www.patreon.com/posts/defeat-107021276

I kind of regretted pay-walling this one anyway, especially since I want to spread the word about this wonderful show. So enjoy!

Jackal joins Josiah to discuss the animated New Weird series, Scavengers Reign and, ultimately, pitch you all on watching it. They try to avoid spoilers as they discuss body and environmental horror, the influence of Jeff VanderMeer, the return of working class sci-fi, and also a little bit about AI, Starfield, and the Gaia Hypothesis.

References

• Scavengers (2016), https://www.shortfilmwindow.com/scavengers/
• Scavengers Reign, Season 1 (2023), Netflix.
• "Savage Planet: How ‘Scavengers Reign’ Creators Evolved Their Acclaimed Short into a Thrilling Sci-Fi Series," Jeff Spry in Animation Magazine, https://www.animationmagazine.net/2023/10/savage-planet-how-scavengers-reign-creators-evolve-their-acclaimed-short-into-a-thrilling-sci-fi-series/

Music credits

• Scavengers Reign Theme - Nicolas Snyder
• Unreal - SHADE08
• After Dark - SHADE08

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It's the music exchange! This is an monthly series where Josh Christianson and I exchange an album that's meaningful to us, and then compare and contrast them. This month we're discussing The Troubled Stateside by Crime in Stereo and Chaos A.D. by Sepultura.

Music by SHADE08

Josiah is joined by Jason Kirk (@jasonkirk_fyi, Shutdown Fullcast, VBS Podcast) to discuss his novel, Hell is a World Without You, as well as growing up evangelical, the world of Christian alternative music, and the good news of universalism.

• Follow Jason Kirk on Twitter @JasonKirk_fyi // Bluesky @Jasonkirk.fyi // Instagram @Jasonkirk.fyi
• Jason Kirk's newsletter: https://www.jasonkirk.fyi/
• More of Jason's work: https://linktr.ee/jasonkirk
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Audio & visual credits

• Thumbnail from this article: "'Hell is a World Without You' is a Vortex of 2000s Youth Group Emotions," Tyler Huckabee in Sojourners, https://sojo.net/articles/hell-world-without-you-vortex-2000s-youth-group-emotions
• Sentimental - Dan Darmawan
• Yesterday – bloom.
• In My Dreams – bloom.

Josiah is joined by two members of Iowa CCI: Caitlin Golle, a farming & environment community organizer with the organization, and Julie Duhn, a board member who joined CCI to combat the construction of a factory farm in her town of Eldora, IA. We discuss the impact of factory farming and pipelines on the state, particularly their impact on the water quality, as well as the work CCI is doing to fight corporate power in rural communities.

• Follow Iowa CCI on Twitter @IowaCCI // Facebook @IowaCCI
• Learn more about Iowa CCI: https://www.iowacci.org/
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• Find more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsutton
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Resources

• "We're Not Buying Iowa Select's Hogwash," Julie Duhn on ICCI Blog, https://www.iowacci.org/blog/were-not-buying-iowa-selects-hogwash
• "End-Stage Iowa: Big-Ag’s Sacrifice Zone and Indigenous Resistance," Sikowis (Christine Nobiss), https://www.greatplainsaction.org/single-post/end-stage-iowa
• "Many Iowa rivers are brimming with nitrate," Jared Strong in Iowa Capital Dispatch, https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2024/05/12/many-iowa-rivers-are-brimming-with-nitrate
• "Fertilizer killed more than 750,000 fish in Nishnabotna," Jared Strong in Iowa Capital Dispatch, https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2024/03/27/fertilizer-killed-more-than-750000-fish-in-nishnabotna
• Join Iowa CCI's Clean Water Fight, https://iowacci.ourpowerbase.net/civicrm/contribute/transact?reset=1&id=200

Music & audio credits

• Sentimental - Dan Darmawan
• Yesterday – bloom.
• In My Dreams – bloom.

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It's another music exchange! This is an monthly series where Josh Christianson and I exchange an album that's meaningful to us, and then compare and contrast them. This month we're discussing I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning by Bright Eyes and Arc by Agoraphobic Nosebleed.

Music by SHADE08

Austin Frerick joins Josiah to discuss his book, Barons: Money, Power, and the Corruption of America's Food Industry and the politics of food production in Iowa and around the country.

• Follow Austin on Twitter @AustinFrerick // Facebook @AustinFrerick
• Find more of Austin's work: https://www.austinfrerick.com
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References

• "The Hog Barons," Austin Frerick in Vox, https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/22344953/iowa-select-jeff-hansen-pork-farming
• Barons: Money, Power, and the Corruption of America's Food Industry by Austin Frerick
• Iowa CCI, https://www.iowacci.org/

Music & audio credits

• Eastern European Post Punk – Laffyy
• Yesterday – bloom.
• In My Dreams – bloom.