Nina Simons speaks with Joanna about: women, Nature and justice; guided by relational intelligence, delight and love; deep inquiry into racial equity; Nature is the Sacred; diversity and indigenous wisdom; an untapped resource, the capacity for women to grow each other into leadership piercing the shell of white privilege; diversity and resilience; the challenge of reimagining ourselves as part of this cosmic dance; transition into relationship economy; the nexus that makes us unstoppable; ritual creates relationship; imagining everyday the world we want.