One of the World’s best-known sports promoters Eddie Hearn chats to some of the biggest names in sport, entertainment and business. This series includes in-depth interviews with Frank Lampard, Maya Jama and Ant Middleton. Eddie learns about their passions, what gets them up in the morning, and how they dealt with the world grinding to a halt this year.

This week, Gary Lineker joins Eddie for a chat. They discuss his move from footballer into pundit, into presenter, how Gary doubted his own ability as a player, and how much the game has changed since he was playing.

No Passion, No Point is produced by Gwyn Rhys Davies, and is a BBC Studios Production for BBC Radio 5 Live. Listen now on BBC Sounds.