In our final episode looking at ASPI's 'War in 2025' conference we bring you analysis of the fabulous speech delivered by Chief of the Defence Force, General Angus Campbell.

We also talk with the ASPI Cyber team about their latest ground-breaking research report; Mapping conditions in Rakhine state.

You can watch General Campbell's full speech here: https://youtu.be/P7O40S9W7ks

The ICPC Rakhine state report is available here: https://pageflow.aspi.org.au/rakhine-state

General Angus Campbell: http://www.defence.gov.au/CDF/

Brendan Nicholson: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/brendan-nicholson

Danielle Cave: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/danielle-cave

Elise Thomas: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/elise-thomas

Nathan Ruser: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/nathan-ruser

Mali Walker: https://www.aspi.org.au/bio/mali-walker

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Music in this episode: 'Plaidness' by Francis Preve via the You Tube Audio library.