GenXtemporaneous

In this episode Marc and Kristina discuss our impressions of Peter Jackson's Beatles documentary The Beatles Get Back.  We share our thoughts on the most interesting things we learned and then we dive into some of the lore around the Beatles songs.  Come for the cold open stay for the outtakes, there was a lot to laugh about in this episode.

Sources

If the Beatles Get Back Has a Villain it Might Be Michael Lindsay-Hogg: https://www.salon.com/2021/12/01/if-the-beatles-get-back-has-a-villain-it-might-be-michael-lindsay-hogg/

Why the Beatles Broke Up: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/why-the-beatles-broke-up-113403/

The Fifth Beatle Was Heroin: https://www.salon.com/2019/02/15/in-1969-the-fifth-beatle-was-heroin-john-lennons-addiction-took-its-toll-on-the-band/

The Beatles Get Back. Directed by Peter Jackson.  Disney. 2021

https://fab4taxitours.com/news/beatles-songs-and-their-meaning/

https://www.raptitude.com/2009/04/7-profound-insights-from-the-beatles/

https://www.google.com/search?q=come+together+lyrics&sxsrf=AOaemvJnpKLwUeMYSn1stFmHxK76pwYydw%3A1638852244305&source=hp&ei=lOauYYuTEISIwbkP7sOCgA4&iflsig=ALs-wAMAAAAAYa70pI7yfRyXLyO4Uafe2kyg3todzzjW&ved=0ahUKEwiLre-u8ND0AhUERDABHe6hAOAQ4dUDCAo&uact=5&oq=come+together+lyrics&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyCAgAEIAEELEDMgoIABCABBCHAhAUMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQ6BAgjECc6BAguEEM6BAgAEEM6BAguECc6DgguEIAEELEDEMcBENEDOgUILhCABDoHCC4QsQMQQzoHCAAQsQMQQzoICC4QgAQQsQM6CAgAELEDEIMBOgcIIxCxAhAnOgcIABCxAxAKOgcILhCxAxAKOgQIABAKOgQILhAKUABYpCRg-SloAXAAeACAAXKIAakNkgEEMTkuMpgBAKABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz

come together: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSbM1nMdra0

Let It Be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LMSOfs10mA

Hey Jude: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qMls5yxP1w

Hello Goodbye https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rblYSKz_VnI

In Spite of All the Danger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuuOAA9ekbg

John Lennon on Dick Cavett https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umF60jXiYBI&t=91s

Marc and Kristina are looking at political correctness and the way that concept has evolved over time.  We put ten GenX favorite songs to the test.  Yep they are problematic.  Yep we still like them.  Trigger warning: some of these lyrics are really problematic from a homophobia, misogynistic, sexist, colonialistic perspective.  If this isn't your vibe, we understand and we look forward to seeing you next week.  

Sources

David Bowie, China Girl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMiY_ekrPSk

Josie Cotton, Johnny Are You Queer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ2X2_ts5Kw

Beastie Boys, Girls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoFB2R_AUwM

Benny Mardones, Into the Night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG6cyLOQ3zs

The Police, Don't Stand So Close to Me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j75tJNYwWkY

Bob Geldof, Midge Ure, Do They Know its Christmas Time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RGz3vdJg00

The Police, Every Breath You Take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wsMEj2ZfW8

The Vapors, Turning Japanese: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCj2I0EJ9PM

The Human League, Don't You Want Me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqtXyQEHC58

The Rolling Stones, Brown Sugar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOfDD2OYOZE

Dire Straits, Don't Stand So Close to Me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YJUJPvySQg

Frank Loesser, Baby it's Cold Outside: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rhvtzzmq-Y

Crockett, Emily. Why "Baby, It's Cold Outside" became an annual controversy about date rape and consent. Vox. 2016. https://www.vox.com/identities/2016/12/19/13885552/baby-its-cold-outside-feminist-date-rape-romantic

Asmelah, Leah. Rolling Stones phase out popular hit 'Brown Sugar'. CNN online. 2021. https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/13/entertainment/rolling-stones-brown-sugar-cec/index.html

Kohl, Herbert (1992). "Uncommon Differences: On Political Correctness, Core Curriculum and Democracy in Education". The Lion and the Unicorn. 16 (1): 1–16. 

In this episode Marc and Kristina discuss ambition, Aristotle, 1980s Miniseries and the Thorn Birds.  We are looking at the way ambition drives the characters in the Thorn Birds to basically make themselves miserable.  We place key characters on an Aristotelian ambition continuum and we are generally kind of ooged out by the fact that 1980s audiences were so astonished at the thought of a priest falling in love that they missed the grooming of a child by an adult man.  Plus we laugh and laugh and laugh.  

Sources:

Arnold, Eve.  The Quest for More: You Can Be Ambitious and Happy. Medium.  https://medium.com/swlh/the-quest-for-more-you-can-be-ambitious-and-be-happy-25da6b53acbd

Burton, Neel Is Ambition Good or Bad? The psychology and philosophy of ambition. Posted November 16, 2014 https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hide-and-seek/201411/is-ambition-good-or-bad

https://www.britannica.com/art/television-in-the-United-States/The-era-of-the-miniseries

The Thorn Birds. Directed by Daryl Duke. Edward Lewis and David Wolper Producers. Warner Brothers Television.  1983.

This is rerelease of an earlier episode.  We will be back next week with all new content about power and ambition in the Thorn Birds. 

This is the first episode in a series of podcasts dedicated to exploring the war on science.  Marc and Kristina discuss Flat Earthers through the lens of Behind the Curve, a 2018 Netflix Documentary.  

 This is part 1 of a two part episode.  Watch for part two to drop next Friday! Links and citations for this week's sources Behind the Curve. Netflix. United States: Delta-v Productions, 2018. https://www.netflix.com/title/81015076. Brown, Andrea. “He's Semi-Famous for Being Flat-out Wrong about Earth.” HeraldNet.com. HeraldNet.com, January 15, 2019. https://www.heraldnet.com/news/hes-semi-famous-for-being-flat-out-wrong-about-earth/. Nguyen, Hoang. “Most Flat Earthers Consider Themselves Very Religious.” YouGov, April 2, 2018. https://today.yougov.com/topics/philosophy/articles-reports/2018/04/02/most-flat-earthers-consider-themselves-religious. Gilman, Greg. “The Subjects of the Flat Earth Documentary Behind the Curve Are Trolling You to Victory.” SYFY WIRE. SYFY WIRE, March 8, 2019. https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/netflix-flat-earth-documentary-behind-the-curve-conspiracy-theorists. Kohner, Kyle. “Round Or Flat, 'Behind The Curve' Prevails As One Of The Most Fun & Intriguing Documentaries Of The Year [LAFF Review].” The Playlist, October 8, 2018. https://theplaylist.net/behind-the-curve-laff-review-20180930/. Revenge of the Nerds. YouTube. United States: 20th Century Fox, 1984. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrlUYxG1oTs. Hadley, Noel Josh. “Everything That Was Beautiful Became Ugly: Escaping Flat Earth with Patricia Steere.” The Unexpected Cosmology, June 18, 2020. https://theunexpectedcosmology.com/everything-that-was-beautiful-became-ugly-escaping-flat-earth-with-patricia-steere/. Moyer, Melinda Wenner. “People Drawn to Conspiracy Theories Share a Cluster of Psychological Features.” Scientific American. Scientific American, March 1, 2019. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-drawn-to-conspiracy-theories-share-a-cluster-of-psychological-features/. Alfred Moore, Joseph Parent. “Conspiracy Theories Aren't Just for Conservatives.” The Washington Post. WP Company, April 18, 2019. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/08/21/conspiracy-theories-arent-just-for-conservatives/.

In this episode Marc and Kristina discuss the origins of anonymous speech through fake identities, the use of sock puppets and alt accounts online, and how trolling works.  Digressions include killing bugs, free speech, some sick burns on a cat-loving community, women who troll, and RIP trolling.  Come along for the ride.

Sources for this episode:

Fletch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jo1TAgEHJU

Rise of the Trolls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sMaP1fIdaU

Ferro, Schauncy. Study: Sadism more common than people think https://www.salon.com/2013/09/13/study_sadism_more_common_than_people_think_newscred/

This is a re-promote of the second episode in our NXIVM arc. 

This week we're diving deep into the second episode of the Starz documentary Seduced: Inside the NXIVM Cult.  We uncover more of Keith's grossness and feel really sorry for India but less sorry for Mark Vicente who seems to really like the way that Keith gets him to the punchline of a very bad joke.  Also:  Keith! Stop telling jokes.  Please give us a rating where you can and subscribe and share with a friend if you enjoy us.  Thanks for coming back each week to listen; we appreciate your support.

Please look at episode 10 details for links that help explain the structure and internal workings of NXIVM in more detail.  This week, this is our primary source:

Seduced: Inside the NXIVM Cult Episode 2 Indoctrinated. Starz: Seduced Inside the NXIVM Cult, 2020. https://www.starz.com/us/en/series/59967/episodes?season=1.

Is it time for timer?  Do you hanker for a hunk of cheese?  Did you wake up early before your parents, make a bowl of cereal and eat it in front of the tv watching all your favorite shows?  Do you know who the Banana Splits are?  How about HR Pufnstuf?  Are you afraid of Sleestaks?  We've got the episode for you.  We look first at the history of puppets (very briefly) and then we go into the world of 70s children's shows focusing on the wildness of Sid and Marty Krofft properties HR Pufnstuf and The Land of the Lost. Is it a classic genXtemporaneous?  Maybe not classic.  But it is at least as good as HR Pufnstuf and we do it without a laugh track.

Ericksson, Hal. Sid and Marty Krofft: A Critical Study of Saturday Morning Children's Television, 1969-1993. McFarland & Company, Inc. Jefferson, NC and London. 1998

I'm Just a Bill (Schoolhouse Rock) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyeJ55o3El0&t=30s

Sunshine on a Stick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaVWM1mqG74

Land of the Lost Theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3m7Xow0YxE

HR Pufnstuf theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obxfuFrUTzg

Bob Marley/Banana Splits Mashup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtluQkuT25s

Uncanny Valley: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVdx22WtXI4&t=63s

Puppetry In Education: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BXlpyBf_O8&t=405s

A visit inside the trippy world of Sid and Marty Krofft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbLWKlWideg

Puppets and perception: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_Molj8L6nM

Trigger warning: This episode contains brief discussion about ending one's own life; if that is a trigger for you, we'll see you next week.  :) 

Does GenX finally get the nuance of The Big Chill?  This film came out when we were in our teens.  While we may not have appreciated it fully at the time, we totally get it now.  In this episode Marc and Kristina discuss the Big Chill, what it means to the characters and what it means to us.  Also Marc mansplains, Marcsplains, and hatches a plan for a one-man show. 

Source:

The Big Chill.  Lawrence Kasdan, September 28, 1983.

Marc and Kristina are back at it with cult life (this episode was actually recorded weeks before the Fandom episodes and you might say that this research made them wonder if they'd discovered a nascent cult in the genX corner of TikTok).  In this episode they examine the false promise of MLMs, the flaw in the girl boss culture that it promotes, and how things can get really culty, really fast without anyone seeing what's going on; just like that its cult o'clock.

Sources for this episode:

The Multilevel Marketing Cults: Lies, Pyramid Schemes, and the Pursuit of Financial Freedom.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He1bgJ0sqtw

This Is How MLMs Target Womenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJemSXXTOxo

Christopher Hitchens: Empowerment of Womenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jO2Uk0zU4c

MLMs & LDS: Why are so Many Mormon Women Involved in MLMs? | Multi Level Mondayshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtcGANV-KHg&t=843s

LuLaRich | Official Trailer | Prime Videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIkcrQzTr8w&t=1s

Why MLMs and Cults are the Same | Anti-MLMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV_WiXSQXqk&t=65sAmoruso, Sophia.  #GIRLBOSS.  Portfolio, September 29, 2015.

Schiebeler, Eric. Merchants of Deception: An Insider's Chilling Look at the Worldwide, Multi Billion dollar Conspiracy of lies that is Amway and its Motivational Organizations.  October 23, 2009.Lularich. Documentary (4 parts). Producers: Jenner Furst; Julia Willoughby Nason; Mike Gasparro; Blye Pagon Faust; Cori Shepherd Stern.  Streaming on Amazon Prime.

This is it.  Last one.  GGs continued to not speak with us on the record and as such, this episode will skew more towards speaking about the Grotto Girls.  I have tried to play the devil's advocate where I could so that we could maintain a balanced approach.  We will discuss the complexion of the fandom, what other factors played into the rise of the fandom and finally, this is the episode where we are going to look at the evidence and discuss optics.  Thank you for listening to us each week.  We are grateful for your time and we hope that if you like us, you'll share us with a friend.

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Stein, Joel. How Trolls Are Ruining the Internet. Time Magazine, August 16, 2018. 

Goldbeck, Jennifer.  You're Not Really Friends with that Celebrity. Psychology Today.  July 28, 2016. 

Stevens, Shelby. Stan Culture is Unhealthy for Celebrities and Fans. North Texas Daily. August 9, 2020. 

Taylor Swift Fandom: Toxic or Harmless https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U14VPAkhAKg&t=311s 

Why Stan Culture is Toxic for Everyone, Including Celebrities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIdR7Er-zkI NXIVM 

On Trial produce by the Albay Times Union -- the paper that was publishing negative articles and cautionary tales about Keith Rainere and NXIVM for many years before the downfall 

Streaming and Television HBO's "The Vow" which tells the story of former high level NXIVM members Mark Vicente, Bonnie Piesse, Sarah Edmondson and her husband NIppy 

Starz's "Seduced" which tells the story of India Oxenburg and her Journey into and out of the NXIVM cult 

Taylor Swift Worshipped by NeoNazis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEdAtX_ze68&t=35s 

Imaginary Friends and Real World Consequences: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22yoaiLYb7M&t=285s 

The Meaning Crisis for Beginners: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaXWUE1SXpI&t=199s Why do People Join Cults (Ted Ed): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB-dJaCXAxA 

Are Fandoms Good or Unhealthy Obsessions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onxeBOnjWnU 

Fraade-Blanar, Zoe. Superfandom: How Our Obsessions are Changing What We Buy and Who We Are 

Berman, Sarah. Don't Call it a Cult: The Shocking Story of Keith Raniere and the Women of NXIVM

How Does a Fan Become a Stan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PUiJiqawq0&t=132s

How Cults Rewire the Brain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL0uxDscjdo

Feminist Perspectives on Objectification. Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Mar 10, 2010 and  revised Dec 16, 2019