For a special holiday episode—Joanna Coles and Samantha Bee are doing a gift swap, but instead of gifts, they’re swapping podcasts. On Samantha Bee’s podcast Choice Words, they talk about leaving the never-ending cycle of daily news for a slightly more dependable pace of monthly magazines, and then returning to news after a two-decade hiatus. They discuss seeing George Clooney in the flesh, the beauty of shopping on resale websites, getting nutritional advice on TikTok, and how neither of them has ever met Donald Trump.

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