Girls Chase Podcast

Chase Amante sits down with Levo, an original Mystery Method pickup artist who has been transplanted from the peak of the 2005 seduction community into the strange new world of 2025. After years of marriage and entrepreneurship in big-city Brazil, Levo has returned to the USA unattached and is re-entering the game.

No longer a youthful nightclub hunter, he details his evolved strategies for attracting women, how the rules of dating have fundamentally changed, and what it was like returning to the American cultural and dating scene after so long abroad. We cover everything from modernizing classic game and sexualizing conversations to navigating dating apps, avoiding the "husband zone," and why he now prefers dating women over 30.

Timestamps:

00:00 - Introduction

01:23 - Levo’s history with girls and the game

11:44 - Club game and his time in Brazil

18:53 - US cultural shift: strippers then vs. now

27:12 - The true value in pickup: becoming a BETTER man

29:03 - Learning the rules of socialization

33:53 - Seduction models & which work best for whom

35:37 - Why Levo recommends Mystery Method for new guys

38:49 - Adding what’s missing from MM (sexualization)

42:45 - How Levo sexualizes: The “online experience” gambit

45:55 - ONS-oriented vs. “Get a GF”-oriented methods

49:58 - Levo’s upcoming “cruise game” plans

54:58 - Have women become more conservative?

58:57 - Being the cool ‘normal’ guy (not too nice, not bitter)

1:03:01 - Spinning cool job descriptions

1:05:32 - Why target women over 30 vs. younger

1:10:10 - Brief political foray: “4chan vs. Tumblr”

1:13:57 - Negativity & soundbites on social media

1:16:34 - On being non-judgmental and not anti-woman

1:19:09 - Interactions should be fun & non-political

1:20:58 - Making room for deep discussion

1:24:23 - Conversations must be personal and NON-POLITICAL

1:26:12 - Escaping the male logical conversation pattern

1:30:10 - Giving women the right emotions

1:37:10 - Successful guys in mismatched partnerships

1:41:59 - How to avoid the “husband zone”

1:48:01 - Removing your sticking points

1:51:12 - Naturally attractive behaviors you can't engineer

1:55:35 - Using debriefs with lovers to learn

1:58:15 - How to meet “app inexperienced” girls on apps

2:00:41 - Making dating app pictures “tell a story”

2:05:14 - Perspective on marriage after pickup, marriage & divorce

2:09:38 - Women’s fear of emotional infidelity

2:11:42 - Seeking high trust relationships

2:16:21 - On women imprinting from who they date

2:18:11 - Downsides of women knowing you are into PUA

2:24:15 - Perceptions of pickup in different times/places

2:28:12 - How cliques influence results

2:32:19 - Why he doesn't pickup in his cliquish small town

2:36:00 - Transplants seeking connection vs. locals

2:41:10 - Where Levo plans to take his future

Get links mentioned in the podcast and other details here:

https://www.girlschase.com/article/skilled-seducer-month-september-2025-levo

“The game’s complicated. Girls are weird. There’s a lot of things that people just don’t understand—or they don’t want to understand.” – West Indian Archie

Old school pickup artist West Indian Archie joins Chase Amante as July 2025’s Skilled Seducer of the Month. There’s no school like the old school – and WIA proves it in this dynamite tactics- and strategies-filled discussion.

Timestamps & topics discussed:

00:00 — Introduction to West Indian Archie

02:40 — Men & women seeking real connection

05:16 — Why seduction knowledge has eroded over time

08:27 — On seduction students latching onto psychologies they already agree with

10:17 — Don’t “just be yourself” but don’t be something that isn’t you either

11:12 — West Indian Archie in the early seduction community (1990s, 2000s)

14:55 — How Archie uses words to evoke images in women’s heads

19:20 — Seduction vs. ‘turn over a rock’ game

24:20 — American Gigolo + the necessity of having a ‘pump up’ routine before going out

26:33 — Are salesman naturally good pickup artists?

28:17 — How to switch from ‘turn over a rock’ pickup to real pickup artistry

41:58 — Four different playboys Archie came up with & how their seduction styles differ

46:29 — Discovering what girls REALLY like in guys (it will surprise you!)

50:38 — Why reading others’ field reports helps you progress more than reading lay reports

55:50 — Recommendations from the early seduction community

58:38 — On having a nice place causing women to “keep their panties on”

1:00:50 — The summer Archie went out every night—and everything clicked

1:10:22 — How Archie went from “I’m never going to a club again” to enjoying clubbing

1:13:30 — Archie’s general approach to meeting women and seducing them

1:31:48 — The touch-and-go technique: using it to ease girls into escalation

1:37:11 — Where to find West Indian Archie

Get links mentioned in the podcast and other details here:

https://www.girlschase.com/article/skilled-seducer-month-july-2025-west-indian-archie

This month, Chase Amante interviews Skills, the natural turned pickup artist and a long-time pillar of the modern seduction community. Listen as Skills discusses how he developed his game, overcame language barriers, and made his home in seduction.

• 00:00:58: how Skills learned to seduce

• 00:11:23: Skill’s struggle with becoming ‘anti-game’ after club attendance fell

• 00:13:57: when Skills started using seduction gambits – then lays became TOO predictable

• 00:17:03: how Skills recovered from his disappointment after routine game killed the fun

• 00:19:07: picking up Generation Z girls – differences, auto-rejection

• 00:24:02: how Skills got involved in the seduction community and met Alek and Jeff

• 00:29:52: Skills talks humor: uses & misuses in seduction

• 00:34:18: one big mistake many PUAs make with humor

• 00:35:23: naturals’ tendency to be dismissive of unfamiliar techniques

• 00:41:54: the importance of subcommunication to game

• 00:44:34: how to use openers to evaluate girls (then calibrate)

• 00:46:37: Skills on neo-direct (‘no game’ approaches) vs. direct

• 00:48:52: the importance of building relationships with venue staff + how to do

• 00:58:03: naturals with Madonna-whore complex

• 01:04:25: monogamy guys vs. hardcore polyamory guys

• 01:10:18: singing as an attractive honest signal to girls

• 01:14:21: Skills’s ‘competition’ frames for getting with girls

• 01:19:57: Skills’s custom adaptation of Alek Rolstad’s sex talk routines

• 01:27:28: Skills’s approach to building plausible deniability for the pull to his place: “My dog has to like you.”

• 01:28:16: how Skills popularized Alek Rolstad’s 8 Types of Orgasm routine

• 01:31:03: more on Skills’s archetype frame: “being with a Latin guy”

• 01:31:51: how sex talk squares the circle of Gunwitch’s Three Keys

• 01:34:17: the weakness of direct sexual game vs. sex talk seduction

• 01:39:36: “the game is played with the yellows”

• 01:46:14: how changing conditions have made it harder for new guys to get into seduction

• 01:49:33: Skills explains his Autobiography Technique

• 01:53:48: quirks of dealing with Generation Z: comfort, skittishness, sexy yet conservative

• 01:58:30: looksmaxxers at the club, standing around getting no women

• 02:06:33: how the looksmax movement began: an offshoot of the seduction community

• 02:11:46: ways the mentalities of incels/black pill/red pill men prevent them from success

• 02:16:08: why many guys don’t get second encounters with women they sleep with

• 02:17:25: how Skills developed his text flirtation method

• 02:20:43: Skills’s current approach to texting

• 02:24:58: soft vs. hard closes: what they are + how to use them

• 02:27:50: using callback references as a text opener

• 02:29:25: the importance of strong initial interactions to better texting later on

• 02:31:27: when to go for the soft close + how to deal with resistance while texting

Listen on Girls Chase and find links to Skills’s guides and materials here:

https://www.girlschase.com/article/skilled-seducer-month-march-2025-skills

Find Skills on the Skilled Seducer Forum:

https://www.skilledseducer.com/

Or on his website, The Skills Method:

https://www.theskillsmethod.com/

Chase Amante interviews Skilled Seducer James D, a long-time Girls Chase reader who's enjoyed copious seduction success with girls he met in college, at bars, and most recently through day game. The two talk vibe, overcoming sticking points, and recognizing (and capitalizing on) DTF girls during the day.

• Introduction: James D’s teenage successes experimenting with Girls Chase material (sexy smile, sexy walk, conversation tips)

• What James D’s vibe is like now (05:33)

• How James D got his start in the game: high school + uni (07:55)

• “Out of the dorms, I was a nobody” – James D learns night game (10:31)

• James D transitions from night game to day game (12:16)

• Hitting on girls as the “well-dressed fat guy” (15:59)

• More on James’s experience with the 4 approaches per day challenge (17:02)

• What James’s game looks like currently: authority frame approaching (18:08)

• James’s first day game cold approach lay: Physicist Touches the Seventh Sky (24:25)

• James talks about the “best article ever written on game”: the Floors and Ceilings Method (26:43)

• James’s next lay report: “Bridge to Bed” in a love motel (29:15)

• How James overcame some sticking points to break a dry spell (31:53)

• What James’s experience has been like using Alek Rolstad’s sex talk with girls (33:15)

• On how sex talk is not just for night game (36:38)

• James’s relationship with a “young Monica Belluci lookalike” (37:17)

• James discusses an infamous lay report and spotting/acting on same-day lay opportunities (38:37)

• James discusses his recent dry spell and how he broke it (42:04)

• Experimenting with telling women you’re in a relationship (45:13)

• What’s in the future for James, romance-wise (46:35)

Listen on Girls Chase and find links to James D's reports & more here:

https://www.girlschase.com/article/skilled-seducer-month-january-2025-james-d

Listen as Girls Chase founder Chase Amante interviews May 2024’s Skilled Seducer of the Month, Kvothe. Included in this conversation:

• Introduction to Kvothe (00:01:00)

• Why it took Kvothe 5 years to finally jump into seduction (00:02:28)

• How Kvothe feels looking back about his early-on approach anxiety (00:06:02)

• Direct vs. indirect opening styles (00:10:20)

• Making things feel natural rather than showcasing the process (00:13:02)

• The difference between ‘magic-feeling approaches’ vs. ordinary ones (00:15:55)

• Kvothe’s experience having fits and starts beginning with seduction (00:22:45)

• Guys being amazed seeing you approaching hot girls even if it bombs (00:27:35)

• Building preselection via harmless conversations with hot girls (00:29:32)

• Falling asleep after a late night out (00:32:34)

• Kvothe’s 2nd return to seduction; coaching with Alek Rolstad; laying girls in Miami (00:33:52)

• Kvothe’s 3rd return to seduction; coaching with Hector Castillo; laying more girls in Miami (00:41:58)

• Alek Rolstad & Hector Castillo: very different styles yet gentlemanly courtesy; Chase’s article breaking down Hector’s game (00:48:36)

• Kvothe’s experience picking up girls in different cities: NYC, Miami, Barcelona, Madrid (00:50:24)

• How Kvothe connected with his wingmen & friends Devilicious and Skippy (00:57:57)

• Kvothe’s approach to selecting new elements to add to his seduction toolbox (01:02:55)

• Focusing on eliciting interesting things from women vs. being interesting yourself (01:09:17)

• Kvothe talks about recent obstacles he’s had calibrating sex talk – and what the likely causes and solutions are (01:11:28)

• When kissing girls on dates and pickups helps you get laid vs. when it hurts your chances (01:15:39)

• Girls relaxing or removing clothing items in public as a sign of comfort (01:21:46)

• What’s next for Kvothe (01:26:19)

Listen on Girls Chase and find links to Kvothe’s reports & more here:

https://www.girlschase.com/article/skilled-seducer-month-may-2024-kvothe

Michael Chief joins Girls Chase founder Chase Amante in this interview following Mike’s return to seduction. In the interview, we discuss:

• How Mike got his start in seduction (Mike found seduction as a teenager in 2003)

• What his experience picking up women as a short, introverted, Asian man has been

• Observations on introvert vs. extrovert styles of approaching & game

• Mike’s experiences as a coach and what he’s observed in different clients

• The secret to cold approaching girls without making it feel like an “approach”

• Ways Mike uses his position in the seduction community to intrigue & bed women

• Mike’s exploration of feminism & feminist theory and how it’s made him a better seducer

• How discussing consent makes women feel safer (& more open to fast hookups)

• The importance of leadership (plus how Mike sets himself up to lead)

• Mike’s experience with the polyamory community & how it affects his pickups

Lastly, Mike discusses his new book, Never Lonely: The Uncensored Guide on How to Attract and Be Loved by Women. You can learn more about the book and pick up your copy here:

https://www.amazon.com/Never-Lonely-Uncensored-Guide-Attract/dp/B0CTG9CX1Z/ref=nosim?tag=girlschasecom-20

View the transcript for this interview here:

https://www.girlschase.com/article/michael-chief-getting-lots-love-women

The higher your meet-to-lay ratio, the more of the women you meet end up in bed.

What’s it take to RAISE your meet-to-lay ratio though… how do you get really, really good?

In this webinar, we discuss the mechanics of good game with the most technically skilled pick up artist in the field today, Alek Rolstad. Alek has bedded hundreds of women across Europe and beyond with his patented Sex Talk Method and irresistibly seductive Sexual Prizing. He breaks down how he does it inside.

As you listen, you’ll discover:

• How lockdowns in Europe have affected Alek’s game (01:19)

• How Alek’s bounced back quickly from lockdowns and laid new girls right away each time lockdowns are lifted (02:33)

• Why do most guys who cold approach women have to deal with so much rejection? (04:53)

• When girls reject guys they actually like (07:26)

• On guys being either TOO sexual with women… or not nearly sexual ENOUGH (08:57)

• The need for efficiency AND consistency in your sexual approach toward women (12:45)

• Doing sex talk PROPERLY and avoiding the “sex talk didn’t turn her on” problem (14:04)

• How long does it take Alek’s students to get SMOOTH using sex talk? (15:56)

• Alek’s story: how he became one of the most prominent & skilled seducers in the world (19:07)

• Alek’s one regret after 16 years in the game (22:20)

• What stays fresh and exciting in a pickup even after many years picking up new girls (24:13)

• Most guys stop picking up after a while to have girlfriends, start families, and so on. What’s kept Alek at seduction for so long? (25:01)

• What is meet-to-lay ratio? How has Alek’s changed over the years? What does he see happen with his students’ meet-to-lay ratios over time? (26:29)

• Sex Talk Rule #2: Be dirty, but not too much. How can beginners gauge how much is too little or too much? (29:37)

• Sex Talk Rule #7: Leave a girl wanting more (more sex talk, that is). How do you do this? (32:30)

• What a Seduction Gambit is, and exactly why it’s so important students get used to using them (35:53)

• The “secret sauce” behind Alek’s ability to weave new, powerful sex talk gambits that ENAMOR women (39:16)

• Sexual Prizing: what it is and just HOW it works to get women CHASING you for sex (42:33)

• What women DO once you’re sexually prized; how to recognize a girl is now chasing you to hook up (45:39)

• Alek discusses some of the RESULTS students of his have achieved in the past (49:38)

• “Perverted Purity” Gambit: a brand new fused sex talk gambit (55:17)

• What Alek has students focus on (beyond just the words) when teaching them sex talk gambits (59:45)

• Alek’s “BSL” method for getting girls HOOKED into conversation with you (62:23)

• Why students so often NEGLECT the very crucial pickup step of Locking In (66:29)

• Alek lays out what types of students would NOT be qualified for coaching with him (67:32)

• Alek’s ideal student: the kind of student who will get the most out of training with Alek (70:02)

• A summary of everything students get when coaching with Alek (73:34)

To sign up for a free 10-minute discovery call for coaching with Alek Rolstad, please visit:

https://www.girlschase.com/coaching/phone/alek

Welcome back to Dating Mechanics on Girls Chase! Today we have the second part of my interview with Daniel Adebayo from earlier this year, easily one of the most consistent night-game and day-game specialist I’ve met and seen in action. He’s easily one of the most innovative and consistent gamers I’ve seen.

Last time while in Montreal, we talked about how to get women in your bed using verbal game, and how Daniel’s unique style of verbal game can give any guy an edge in getting women’s attention in the modern age of overstimulation.

For this podcast, we continue that conversation with a focus on consistency, and specifically how Daniel has achieved consistency in his game style. If a guy wants to improve his game, there should always be a focus on being more consistent. And what’s truly rewarding with this style is how confident it can make a guy in knowing he can meet and sleep with a woman with a predictable amount of effort.

As we spoke about meeting women with him in Canada, Daniel explains how his focus on process, fundamentals, and constant effort has given him – and can give any guy – the ability to easily sleep with many women, at any point in time.

Podcast Details: Daniel Adebayo – Consistency

1:45 – Introduction to Daniel and Ottawa, and differences in gaming compared to New York

3:45 – How Daniel approaches at bus stops, malls, and his approach method

THE PROCESS OF BECOMING MORE CONSISTENT

4:30 – Starting with fundamentals, presenting yourself as a confident guy (and how to do this)

5:40 – The value of consistency and becoming an anytime seducer

7:20 – How Daniel can sometimes pull home the 2nd or 3rd girl he meets at a mall (example pull)

9:00 – Realizing the power of getting sex at will – it’s a lot of hard work to get there. Daniel explains the differences in smoothness and results.

11:00 – Daniel explains how he worked on his body language, by keeping his head still and working on his posture. Stillness is powerful; it affects girl’s perception of a guy in a bar by making her reactive to a guy.

14:20 – After developing fundamentals, it’s important to go out a lot to develop intuition. It’s the most powerful form of game.

16:20 – Start with fundamentals and basic intuition, then add more techniques to your repertoire as you learn about your weaknesses

18:00 – Daniel explains the four stages of a cold-approach pickup, and how to use metrics to find and work on weaknesses

19:20 – Consistency is actually a never-ending journey.

HOW TO KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO TO IMPROVE

21:00 – How to understand where to look at weaknesses, and some different things Daniel suggests to improve

24:00 – We deep dive into specific techniques for the isolation-to-pull segment, which is a challenging area for many guys – and Daniel’s use of listing.

26:40 – Daniel discusses the pull-to-lay segment and dealing with LMR strategies

28:35 – Slutty LMR, versus lack of arousal

MAXIMIZING YOUR SEX LIFE BY REFINING STRENGTHS

32:00 – Minimizing the luck factor and maximizing odds

33:50 – Direct openers reduce control of the seduction

35:00 – An example of waiting for a girl to stop walking in order to maximize odds. We talk about street game vs. stationary approaches.

Hope you guys enjoyed another podcast with Daniel! Definitely check out his articles on Girls Chase. As I’ve said before, he’s already one of the most consistent gamers I’ve yet to witness – and at the quality he gets. I’ve also learned a lot myself about how to be more consistent in my own game.

I’ll catch you soon on the next episode of Dating Mechanics!

Varoon

Listen online: https://www.girlschase.com/content/daniel-adebayo-becoming-more-consistent-seduction-podcast

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Today once again I feature Franco, with whom I’ve done several podcasts.

We met up in San Diego over New Years and talked about a girl’s comfort on dates, which is a sticking point I had late last year, where it was difficult to tell how comfortable a girl was on a date, which made it tough to move things forward.

Franco always tells me about his excellent track record on dates, as he was closing 9 out of 10 girls he would take on dates with him. What helps is his ability to gauge a girl’s comfort and where she is emotionally on a date.

Knowing a girl’s comfort level and emotions are key in the moment, as this allows you to determine what you need to do to move a date forward toward intimacy – and very importantly, when.

Girls also often give mixed signals to test a guy, and a good guy should know how to handle these tests as he moves the process along with a girl.

In this podcast, we talk about how to determine a girl’s comfort level early on a date, the adjustments in vibe we need to make to make her more comfortable, the adjustments we should make if an emotion is too strong, how to determine when a girl is comfortable enough for touch and what type, when to start and escalate touch, how to use sexual touch when she’s comfortable, and how to close at the end of the date – whether it’s just going for the kiss or pulling her home.

Podcast Details:

1:30 – Introduction to Franco and Varoon in San Diego on New Year’s Eve

2:00 – Girls want dates to go well, but they often give mixed signals, so the whole date is a bit of a test. Girls usually come into a date nervous, and this influences how it transpires.

3:20 – Varoon shares personal stories of how, for many years, he had great results approaching girls and getting them on dates, but had trouble gauging comfort and true emotions in the moment.

5:00 – Franco and Varoon talk about signs of a girl’s nervousness vs. comfort early into a date, why you want to make her feel comfortable as early as possible, and things she will do to indicate her state of mind.

7:30 – Varoon shares how he didn’t get a girl comfortable early on a date with him, and that made her eject by using “polite excuses.” This example shows how timing is key for date tech.

8:30 – How to elicit early comfort emotions and how to look for comfortable tangents for conversation

11:00 – A girl’s impression of the date is going to be based on her emotions, as she’s already showing interest in a guy by going on the date.

13:00 – A man’s job on a date is to make adjustments in vibe to make her more comfortable. He can make her laugh more, use the one compliment rule, or use sex talk and sexual tension.

15:00 – We talk about how to calibrate sex talk on a date, and the key to make sure she’s not in her “stiff” phase before talking about sex.

17:30 – The role of touch on a date, and how to touch early on, when to start touch, and when to escalate touch.

19:30 – How to transition into sex talk, and the kinds of sex talk used.

20:00 – Franco shares how he uses sex talk and touch together, how girl’s react, and how to gauge comfort during sex talk.

22:30 – Recap of the date sequence to make a girl comfortable, and how stiffness is a tell-tale sign for a girl.

24:30 – Varoon shares a story he overheard of a guy kissing a girl at the wrong moment, and how girls are super socially attuned.

27:00 – We discuss kissing at the end of a first date, and whether or not to kiss a girl. Franco shares how to leave a girl wanting more with a kiss. How to deliver the perfect kiss.

31:00 – How to end a first date with a pull-away kiss, and using it for sexual tension.

Listen online: https://www.girlschase.com/content/franco-lombardi-gauging-woman-s-comfort-level-dates-podcast

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Welcome back to Dating Mechanics, our podcast here on Girls Chase! Today I feature a special guest who was recommended to me by Chase himself.

Joshua Spodek (who actually used to be a dating coach himself) is now an expert on leadership, training, and taking initiative. He has several PhDs, writes a column for Inc., and has five Ivy league degrees. In this podcast, we’re here to talk about his upcoming new book, called Initiative, where Josh shares how anyone in any place in life can start taking initiative to create extraordinary results in life.

Podcast Details: Taking Initiative

02:30 – We introduce Joshua, and we talk about his background in New York, and how he began teaching how to improve lives. We also talk about textbook learning versus performance based learning, and how traditional learning has failed.

05:00 – Traditional mainstream education teaches people to comply, and it tells you what’s important. Joshua shows how traditional textbook and example-based learning leaves people with fewer options.

08:00 – The path of traditional education leads to stability and keeps society going. It’s good for benefits and allows people to put their kids through college, but it may not be as fulfilling or lucrative as taking the path less traveled.

09:00 – Josh shares what inspired him to write Initiative, based on his experience in graduate school and how he started his first company – the first time he experienced full control.

11:20 – Josh’s lack of leadership skills caused him to be squeezed out of his own company.

12:45 – The number one reason people say they don’t want to start a company – they don’t have an idea. Varoon talks about Chipotle and how it evolved.

14:10 – Ideas don’t matter to the level we think. The people who don’t care about their ideas but pursue a path based on leadership skill succeed, whereas the people who look for the perfect idea do not. We always learn through our own experiences.

16:40 – We talk about the different types of ideas, and how the traditional entrepreneurial path is good for a limited number of outcomes.

19:00 – Josh talks about his book and course, and the fundamental learning tool is experience and practice. Memorizing facts doesn’t really work.

22:00 – People don’t start working on their ideas because they never figure out what they really want to do, which stalls them from even starting. Josh asks me what I remember most from school, and how I remember social skills more than my education.

24:30 – Josh talks about the example of learning how to play piano. Some things are known learning paths, in social and performance based fields.

25:30 – Josh shares his example of Rafael from his book.

28:40 – We talk more about Initiative, and how the exercises lead practitioners to unearth their real passions.

31:00 – The practice of very basic exercises can lead people to create beautiful symphonies, because repetition creates experience and muscle memory.

32:30 – We talk about working past sticking points to master skills.

34:00 – The more you serve what other people need, the more they help you succeed in your own goals.

38:30 – People fear taking action because they fear their own internal problems, and how they imagine failure will make them space. Practice always pays off, though. Working on fundamentals and basics always pays off.

41:30 – How discipline and practice allows authenticity to emerge.

43:00 – Josh shares how initiative will bring forth profit and passion into anyone’s life.

44:45 – Josh talks about guests he has had on his podcast, including Chase, available on www.joshuaspodek.com.