There aren’t many human beings in Canton quite like LeRoy Butler, one of the best safeties to ever play the game.

Any day, any time, he’ll drop what he’s doing to answer the phone and immediately ask about your kids. It’s genuine, too.

From the moment the Green Bay Packers selected this DB out of Florida State in 1990, he’s become the organization’s greatest ambassador. And here at Go Long, we’ve chatted several times for stories and pods — from his own life story, to Green Bay’s messy divorce court with Aaron Rodgers, to a Happy Hour with subscribers to (most recently and most fun) hanging out with rookie Evan Williams over dinner in Green Bay, Wisc.

This felt like a perfect time to catch up again.

With pressure rising in Green Bay, with Rodgers looking for a new home and with the draft headed to Butler’s backyard, we chat for an hour and a half.

Topics discussed:

* The 2025 NFL Draft heading to little, ‘ol Green Bay. The city has a population of 105,000. This event attracted north of 700,000 visitors to Detroit last spring. How is this even possible?

* Mark Murphy’s legacy. The Packers’ president will retire in July. We discuss how he’ll be remembered both at the start of the pod and the end.

* Why Butler believes Brian Gutekunst saved the franchise.

* Everything Aaron Rodgers. All signs obviously point toward Pittsburgh. Butler’s perspective on the entire situation was (extremely) surprising. Yes, he says this is a perfect fit. Butler, who’s been critical of Rodgers in the past, sees the four-time MVP enjoying his own “John Elway” moment.

* We delve into the psychology of this all. What motivates Rodgers? What’s his foundation in life? Is he willing to suppress ego and control if it means a legitimate shot at another ring?

* Jordan Love and the Packers fell short in 2024. Now, the man we’ve anointed enters Year 3 as a starter. It’s time for Love to take a step. The key, Butler says, is Matt LaFleur giving him the keys.

* What should Green Bay do with its 23rd overall pick? Butler wants Gutekunst to trade the pick for a veteran wideout and offers two possibilities.

New here? It’s a great time to upgrade with Bob McGinn’s 41st annual draft series rolling out.

Also, if you live in Wisconsin, you can hang out with Butler on Wednesday, April 23 at Oneida Casino Hotel for a predraft party. Several former Packers will be in attendance, too. His Leap 36 podcast is also available right here.

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