Peter Bergen was the first journalist to produce a TV interview with Osama bin Laden in 1997, where the terrorist leader first declared war on America. In his reporting from Afghanistan since the ’90s, Bergen witnessed how the Taliban-controlled country became a safe haven for bin Laden’s al-Qaida and for global terrorism. Now, 20 years after 9/11, the Biden administration has surrendered Afghanistan to Taliban rule once again. And Bergen, author of the new book The Rise and Fall of Osama Bin Laden, joins Anthony to explain the danger the world now faces as terrorists return to their former base in Afghanistan — to train, organize and kindle a new wave of global violent jihadism. (Recorded Sept. 16, 2021.)

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