Returning to our ongoing conversations with Christian artists, Bruce Herman and Bobby Gross discuss the insights of modern art on the nature of God and the human condition. Much of the conversation centers on the work of Philip Guston. Many of Guston's works, including those mentioned by Bruce and Bobby, can be viewed here.

Bruce Herman is a painter, speaker, and curator whose art has been shown nationally and internationally in Italy, England, Japan, and Hong Kong. His work is in many public collections, including the Vatican Museums in Rome, Cincinnati Museum of Fine Arts, and the Hammer Museum in L.A. His art and writings have been published in print and online journals. He holds the Lothlórien Distinguished Chair in Fine Arts at Gordon College. Bobby Gross is Vice President for Graduate and Faculty ministries at InterVarsity Christian Fellowship. Bobby is also the author of Living in the Christian Year: Time to Inhabit the Story of God (IVP, 2009).

Bruce was part of the book launch events at Upper House for God in the Modern Wing: Viewing Art with Eyes of Faith, Cameron J. Anderson and G. Walter Hansen, eds. (Downers Grove, IL: IVP Academic, 2021). For video of Bruce's presentation at Upper House, see "Welcoming the Mysterious Stranger."

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Credits: music by Micah Behr, audio engineering by Andy Johnson, graphic design by Madeline Ramsey.