Macy Moore of HopFusion Ale Works joins us to talk about his cans, his beer, and encouragement to soon-to-be brewery owners. Michael is silent the entire episode and Josh says “space.”

Macro brewery owners want independent breweries and brewers to “calm down” and band together, which really means to fall in line with their way of doing business. We throw out a few of our thoughts, as we consider this in light of our current times. Michael celebrates twins and Josh talks about pie.

Our friend Dave Riddile, marketing director of The Collective Brewing Project, stops by to talk beer education and maturing beer fans and scenes alike. Josh makes a The Office reference and Michael mentions idiots on the internet (radio).

Drew Huerter, head brewer of Braindead Brewing, joins us to talk brewery growth, beer scenes and the magic that we call brewing. Josh says Budweiser and Michael thinks he has friends.

Josh and Michael open up a few beers and discuss the last few conversations we’ve had on the podcast. We talk about insights and where our perspective is when it comes to the growth and exploration of beer styles, as well as some ways to experiment. Michael discovers yet another podcast changing his life and Josh burps into the microphone.