Cold War Conversations Podcast

Guarding Rudolf Hess, Hitler's Deputy Führer (262)


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Dave Phillips is a Yeoman Warder at the Tower of London. The Yeoman Warders have been guarding the Tower since Tudor times. 


Dave joined the British Army aged 16 into the Royal Irish Rangers. We hear of his early years in the Army in Northern Ireland and his posting to West Berlin.


In West Berlin Dave is part of the force that guarded Rudolf Hess, a leading member of the Nazi Party in Nazi Germany and appointed Deputy Führer to Adolf Hitler in 1933. 


On 10 May 1941, Hess made a solo flight to Scotland, where he hoped to arrange peace talks with the British. He was arrested and stood trial at the 1946 Nuremberg trials of major war criminals. The court convicted him of crimes against peace and of conspiracy with other German leaders to commit crimes and was given a life sentence in Berlin’s Spandau Prison.


 Dave describes interactions with Hess, as well as the guard duties and operation of the prison. 


0:00 Introduction and Dave Phillips' early experiences in Berlin

1:04 The story of Rudolph Hess and his arrest

6:16 Dave's experiences in Berlin and Spandau Prison

15:38 A typical day for Hess in Spandau Prison and guarding duties

24:56 Hess's time at the Tower of London and conversations with him

28:59 Military training in Berlin and preparations for a potential invasion

36:00 Interaction with other occupying forces and West Berlin locals

39:44 Dave's return to Berlin years later and reminiscing about the fall of the Berlin Wall

45:16 Career progression, service in Northern Ireland and UN Peacekeeping

49:22 Dave's current role as a Yeoman Warder at the Tower of London

52:54 Financial support and donations

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