Comedian Guy Williams became a household name in New Zealand off the back of his regular appearances on Jono and Ben, and has remained on television in a “volunteer journalist” capacity on his own show New Zealand Today. That show now has a spinoff podcast of the same name, which Williams is co-hosting with former guest Karen Hill of viral “wants her $20 back” fame. He joins Duncan Greive to talk about making the show, why a podcast is his logical next step as a “mediocre white man”, and his friendship with Karen.

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