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HardLore and special guest co-host Brody King are joined by TERROR founders Scott Vogel & Nick Jett for a special excursion all around the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles.

We learn all about the origin of the band, which started from the ruins of Carry On, and visit a few key hotspots around our mutual hometown that played an integral role in Terror’s story.

We eventually meet up with Martín Stewart to discuss all things Terror and all things STILL SUFFER, their 10th and newest LP that released in this past April.

This was something scheduled for Bo and I to do together, and I can’t thank of a more appropriate way to finally make it happen than with my LEFT hand man, Mr. Brody King. Thank you to Terror for joining us for this first special episode like this in a long time.

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600:00:00 - Start

00:01:31 - TERROR, Zomu Coffee

00:02:46 - Nick Jett Discovering Hardcore

00:06:44 - Carry On

00:09:46 - Carry On Ending (& Reuniting)

00:13:40 - Piece By Piece

00:16:03 - A Change of Pace for Scott & The Magic of Nick's Garage

00:20:02 - Scotts First Apartment In LA

00:23:15 - Scott Meeting Nick & Todd Jones

00:26:47 - Naming "Terror"

00:28:07 - Terror - Life & Death Demo

00:33:54 - Writing Lowest Of The Low

00:39:17 - Bridge Nine & The Response to Lowest of the Low

00:43:48 - Studio S, North Hollywood

00:46:13 - Pardon This Interruption...

00:48:01 - Worst Terror Show Ever Played

00:53:11 - @NickGoDie

00:56:21 - Terror HQ, Swinton Ave

00:58:34 - One With The Underdogs, Todd Exiting Terror & Chaos at the House

01:03:33 - Moving In & Remembering Terror HQ

01:06:30 - Recording Without a Click Track (Hell yeah)

01:08:23 - Recruiting Frank 3 Gun

01:10:19 - Midnight Hour Records and Martín Stewart

01:17:28 - Underrated Terror Records

01:20:19 - Four Word Album Titles

01:23:43 - Crazy Terror Shows

01:24:28 - Terror At The Whisky A Go Go: A HardLore Investigation

01:31:42 - Unconventional Terror Tours

01:33:48 - Least Sane Member of Terror

01:35:55 - The Current President of Scott's Tots

01:40:10 - Cultural Explosion of Keepers Of The Faith

01:44:40 - Reuniting With Todd Jones on Pain Into Power

01:47:51 - Terror Parts That Felt Like Monumental Achievements

01:50:15 - The Pit Recording Studio, Still Suffer

01:55:36 - Recording with Taylor Young

02:04:46 - Terror Has TEN ALBUMS

02:09:12 - Advice For Younger Bands & People

02:15:22 - Top 4 Breakdowns

This is another piece of HardLore history in the making, as we’re joined by our first ever actor, the great Brooke Smith of Silence of the Lambs, Grey’s Anatomy, Bates Motel and more!

I am once again joined, very appropriately, by Alec Faber of Holy Blade, Twitching Tongues & God’s Hate (and formerly of the Reel Deal podcast with… me)

Long before she graced the silver screen as the iconic Catherine Martin in Silence of the Lambs , you could find her romping around all over the lower east side as one of the infamous WARZONE WOMEN, and a staple of 1980’s New York Hardcore. She spent the golden decade of NYHC taking legendary photos of bands like Agnostic Front, Bad Brains, Cro-Mags, Underdog and more, as documented in her incredible book Sunday Matinee.

We get into her life as a legendary publicist’s daughter, befriending and falling out with the Cro-Mags, the informal formation of the Warzone Women, growing out of hardcore just as acting started to become more serious, her life changing by being in one of the greatest movies of all time, AGAIN with Grey’s Anatomy, and everything in between…

An incredibly fun conversation with a genuine legend. Thanks to Brooke for joining us.

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00:00:00 - Start

00:01:39 - Brooke Smith

00:04:09 - Growing Up

00:06:39 - Women in Early New York Hardcore

00:09:28 - Picking Up Photography

00:10:33 - Sunday Matinee

00:12:54 - The Cro-Mags

00:17:32 - Best Mosher in Early 80s NYHC

00:18:40 - "New" Bands That Formed In Real Time & Changed Things

00:22:12 - Hardcore in the 80s vs. Now

00:23:49 - The Warzone Women, Straight Edge, & Her Infamous Pool Party

00:27:33 - Brooke Flips The Script on us smh

00:29:00 - People & Details in Sunday Matinee That Stood Out to Her

00:31:48 - Phones at Shows Now, The Ramones

00:33:49 - Agnostic Front & The Donahue Show

00:36:05 - Hare Krishna

00:37:57 - Modern Day Equivalent of 1980s CBGBs (Shut Down the Internet)

00:41:04 - Close Calls at CBGBs

00:42:28 - Playing Bass In A Band with Carl the Mosher

00:43:42 - Pardon This Interruption…

00:46:22 - The Misfits & Growing out of Hardcore in 1990

00:50:42 - Acting & Hardcore Intersecting

00:53:05 - Getting the Acting Bug

00:54:43 - Developing a Project With Elgin James

00:56:33 - Silence Of The Lambs

01:05:48 - Friendship with Ted Levine

01:08:08 - Brooke's Silence of the Lambs Journals, Vanya on 42nd St

01:12:37 - The Roles That Could Have Been

01:16:38 - Worst Career Advice

01:18:55 - Grey’s Anatomy

01:29:25 - Jeff Buckley

01:33:08 - Motherhood

01:42:06 - Every Character Goes To See AF

01:45:10 - Top 4 Hardcore Records

We're joined his week to by Chris Conley, the founder, vocalist, and songwriter of Saves The Day for a comprehensive, career retrospective conversation… Featuring special guest co-host, Dr. Britty Drake of Pity Sex.

In this true 3.5 hour epic, we start from the beginning and deep deep into Chris and STD’s entire history… From discovering punk through free tickets to a Rancid show, instinctively writing music the second he touched a guitar, Sefler’s humble origin and demo quickly evolving into Saves The Day, working with Steve Evetts and Equal Vision records, Lifetime’s influence on the early days and Can’t Slow Down, dropping out of school to tour on Through Being Cool, taking a leap into the mainstream with Stay What You Are, the harsh reality check of In Reverie, all the way up to feeling “resurrected” by his family in 2026 and finding new ways to handle his lifelong battle with depression.

A true feast of information for any fan of the band, Chris, hardcore, punk, emo or beyond… Thank you to Chris and Britty for joining us.

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00:00:00 - Start

00:01:22 - Chris Conley

00:02:24 - Discovering Music in New Jersey

00:08:58 - Developing His Songwriting Chops

00:11:24 - Everything Comes From Hardcore

00:13:47 - The Show That Changed It All...

00:19:09 - New Jersey Word Association

00:28:56 - How Sefler Became SAVES THE DAY

00:34:13 - Saves The Day's First Hardcore Show

00:36:48 - Sefler

00:38:20 - Saves The Day's Relationship With Steve Evetts

00:41:44 - Equal Vision Records

00:43:21 - CAN'T SLOW DOWN

00:51:38 - Pardon This Interruption...

00:55:04 - Favorite Fret

00:57:37 - Evolving as a Teenage Lyricist

01:04:41 - First U.S. Tour with Bane

01:10:08 - The Story Behind "I'm Sorry I'm Leaving"

01:12:22 - Attending NYU

01:15:26 - Dropping out of NYU

01:16:57 - Can't Slow Down Songs that Resonate with Chris Now

01:18:20 - "Blindfolded"

01:20:35 - "Always Ten Feet Tall"

01:21:04 - THROUGH BEING COOL

01:30:50 - The Iconic Through Being Cool Album Cover

01:32:26 - "Shoulder to the Wheel"

01:35:31 - Saves the Day's First Consistent Lineup

01:37:24 - Shoulder To The Wheel Music Video

01:38:31 - Pop Punk vs. Emo

01:45:34 - "Banned From The Back Porch"

01:49:44 - Tours On Through Being Cool

01:51:39 - Vocal Conditioning & Early Voice Changes

01:55:12 - Reflecting on Through Being Cool

01:57:10 - "Sell My Old Clothes, I'm Off To Heaven"

01:58:06 - STAY WHAT YOU ARE

02:01:41 - "At Your Funeral" & Working With Rob Schnapf

02:07:53 - Chris' Voice Changing

02:09:15 - Stay What You Are 25 Years Later

02:11:06 - Growth Over The Years

02:19:20 - Criticism After In Reverie

02:22:19 - IN REVERIE

02:24:39 - Dreamworks

02:27:38 - In Reverie's Cursed Roll Out and Release

02:30:50 - Fatherhood Changing His Perspective

02:31:41 - UPS AND DOWNS

02:34:50 - Trilogy Chapter 1: SOUND THE ALARM

02:43:05 - Formulating the Idea for This Trilogy

02:45:50 - Trilogy Chapter 2: UNDER THE BOARDS

02:47:31 - Touring On The Records

02:50:28 - Trillogy Chapter 3: DAYBREAK (GOATED)

02:54:54 - Dealing With Criticism

02:58:10 - S/T

02:59:51 - Re-Signing to Equal Vision

03:02:58 - Five Year Gap Before 9

03:07:51 - Feeling "Resurrected" in 2026 Thanks to His Wife

03:15:15 - Next Chapter For Chris & Saves The Day

03:18:45 - Top 4 Hardcore Records

In this highly anticipated next chapter with one of our favorite bands, HardLore is finally joined by Jade Puget: the man who was instrumental in defining the iconic AFI sound. Featuring special guest co-host Alec Faber of God’s Hate, Twitching Tongues and Holy Blade.

Following our legendary two part special with Davey Havok, we’re honored to share Jade’s side of the greater AFI story… Starting from the beginning with Jade discovering punk & hardcore in Ukiah, CA alongside his brother Smith, his days in Redemption 87, joining AFI and creating their definitive sound with his work on Black Sails in the Sunset, the surprising legacy of the All Hallows EP, his (and the band’s) frustrations with Nitro Records, the opportune timing of Art of Drowning, the cultural phenomenon of Sing the Sorrow and continuing success of Decemberunderground, the agony of Crash Love, the triumph of Burials, all the way to re-defining the AFI sound with Silver Bleeds the Black Sun.

It was an honor and a joy to finally chat about all things AFI and hardcore with Jade, and we can only hope you enjoy this 3 hour chat as much as we did.

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00:00:00 - Start

00:01:38 - Jade Puget

00:03:10 - Discovering Punk and Hardcore in Ukiah

00:06:28 - Skateboarding & The Muhammad Ollie

00:12:57 - Straight Edge & The Way It Is Compilation

00:18:05 - Redemption 87

00:24:21 - Becoming Aware of AFI

00:28:04 - Joining AFI & Writing BLACK SAILS IN THE SUNSET

00:34:30 - Jade’s Favorite Fret & Restraint in Songwriting

00:38:03 - The AFI Sound

00:43:10 - All Hallows EP

00:51:01 - AFI, Danzig, Samhain Tour

00:57:38 - Art Of Drowning

01:06:36 - Commercial Success And Overall Shock

01:09:20 - SING THE SORROW & Slowing Down the AFI

Sound

01:13:20 - Jerry Finn & Butch Vig

01:21:21 - Sing The Sorrow’s Electronics (Fruity Loops)

01:26:48 - Leaving Song 2 & Initially Hearing Sing the Sorrow Finished

01:31:34 - MTV New Years Eve With Three Six Mafia

01:32:59 - Leaving Song 2 Video

01:37:46 - Sing The Sorrow’s Release Into DECEMBERUNDERGROUND

01:44:17 - Picking the Singles for DECEMBERUNDERGROUND

01:47:59 - Butch Vig Declining to Work on the Album

01:50:54 - Writing 120 Songs & The “Hardcore Club”

01:57:00 - The Whirlwind of Decemberunderground into the Agony of CRASH LOVE

02:01:15 - Blaqk Audio/Crash Love Coinciding and “Stripping Down” AFI

02:11:51 - Sing The Sorrow At The Forum

02:17:25 - The Triumph of BURIALS

02:24:13 - The Blood Album & Producing AFI

02:28:18 - Silver Bleeds the Black Sun & Evolving the AFI Sound

02:39:22 - BODIES & AFI in 2020

02:43:05 - Birdlegs & Getting His Revelation Star

02:46:23 - Jade's Insane Chipotle Order lololololol

02:51:51 - Top 4 Hardcore Records

02:54:22 - A Les Paul Epilogue For Bo

It is my tremendous honor to be joined by Patrick Walker of Warning and 40 Watt Sun for what is not only first ever non-print interview, but also HardLore's first ever 1 on 1 interview with a guest.

In this appropriately intimate chat, we discuss his humble upbringing in Harlow, Essex UK.From the Jackson 5 and Tears For Fears to Revelation and Saint Vitus, we discover how Patrick's emotional connection with music flourished, and how he evolved into someone i've always considered to be one of the most personal and deliberate songwriters in the world.

We learn the canonical standing of Warning and 40 Watt Sun in Patrick's point of view, the 20 year lasting legacy of "Watching From A Distance" and why now was finally time to return to Warning for "Rituals of Shame."

After years of championing Patrick's work both on and off HardLore, it was an honor not only to have this chat, but to share more about someone whose work I admire so much. Thanks for watching.

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00:01:12 - Patrick Walker

00:02:47 - Finding Music in Harlow, Essex

00:04:59 - Doom Metal & Discovering the Guitar

00:09:41 - Emotional Connections to Music

00:15:22 - WARNING

00:18:41 - Revelation Looms Demo

00:22:59 - Blessed By The Sabbath

00:23:48 - The Strength To Dream

00:27:07 - Patrick's Favorite Fret

00:30:39 - Re-Approaching Warning

00:33:10 - Watching From A Distance

00:43:20 - The "Footprints Moment"

00:45:42 - Vulnerability in Public-Facing Art

00:48:27 - Pardon This Interruption...

00:49:48 - Touring In America / Patrick's Love of Food

00:56:51 - Patrick on Modern Doom Metal

00:58:17 - 40 WATT SUN

01:09:33 - Changes In Touring Solo

01:12:16 - Rituals of Shame

01:23:27 - Patrick on Spirituality

01:25:29 - Top 4 Doom Metal Records

Destiny has come: After being officially crowned the hardest hardcore band of all time in our official tournament bracket… We’re finally joined by the great Pete Morcey, vocalist of 100 DEMONS for a long form, sit-down interview.

We’re ALSO joined by special guest co-host Dan Seely of King Nine, for his historic 5th full-length appearance on a HardLore episode.

We start from the beginning of Pete’s nearly 40 year musical career, from making the “definitive American oi record” in Forced Reality, spearheading heavy hardcore in Connecticut with Higher Force, joining 100 Demons and writing the iconic self-titled record, his dark folk masterpiece that is Murmur’s The Boundless Black, all the way to now singing for Blood For Blood, and making 100 Demons’ first record in 22 years, Embrace the Black Light.

Thanks to Pete, Dan, and the Detroit Masonic Temple for having us.

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00:00:00 - Start

00:01:22 - Pete Morcey

00:02:51 - Finding Punk & Hardcore in Connecticut

00:17:50 - FORCED REALITY, Pete’s First Band, Defining American Oi!

00:14:28 - Jocko Willink & The Connecticut Skinhead Crew

00:29:00 - Forced Reality S/T & Tours

00:33:22 - Sean Martin

00:34:57 - HIGHER FORCE, Connecticut’s First HARD Band

00:39:42 - Higher Force’s Very Confusing Discography

00:43:08 - Pete Morcey: Classically Trained Opera Singer

00:48:00 - The End of Higher Force & Beginning of 100 DEMONS

00:51:50 - Morcey’s Restaurant & The Tuna Pita

00:54:00 - Pardon this interruption…

00:57:03 - The Lost Higher Force LP

00:59:27 - 100 DEMONS - Self-Titled

01:08:36 - His Fathers Son to Cold Wind of the Crossroads

01:14:50 - Recording New 100 Demons after 22 Years

01:21:00 - Larry Dwyer’s Cinnamon Challenge

01:24:24 - Growing as a Vocalist & Lyricist

01:31:17 - Pete’s Haunted House

01:37:35 - A Visit From Bo

01:46:55 - Joining Blood for Blood

01:54:50 - MURMUR (Pete’s Masterpiece)

02:03:24 - IG! And the IGfits!

02:10:13 - Pete’s Most Personal Creative Endeavor

02:20:55 - Top 4 Hardcore Records

We’re back… HardLore returns with a very special episode in honor of our late co-host, friend, and brother, Bo Lueders. Youth of Today was Bo’s favorite hardcore band of all time, and a constant through-line on this show since the beginning. Now, we’re finally joined by YoT/Shelter vocalist and trailblazer of straight edge as a movement: RAY CAPPO, for a 3.5 hour career retrospective interview.

It doesn’t end there, as our first ever guest co-host is also extra special, we’re joined by Harms Way vocalist James Pligge (aka “Youth Crew James”) to round out this perfect tribute to our fallen friend.

We start from the very beginning in Danbury, CT, where Ray and Violent Children got a historic head-start from an opportune visit to a radio station, discovering Hare Krishna through Harley Flanagan, meeting Porcell and evolving into Youth of Today and spreading straight edge all around the world, thoroughly BREAK DOWN the Youth of Today discography, founding Revelation AND Equal Vision Records, and the spiritual path that lead to the end of Youth of Today and the humble origin of Shelter.

The goal remains the same, carry on the love and dedication for our favorite bands that we’ve shown every week the last 4 years… But with the new mission of honoring Bo every step of the way. Enjoy.

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00:00:00 - Start

00:03:09 - Discovering Punk And Hardcore

00:10:00 - Violent Children & Darryl on the Radio

00:17:50 - Harley Flanagan & Reflex From Pain

00:29:24 - Porcell

00:33:25 - Hare Krishna, Straight Edge & The Lower East Side

00:39:09 - Youth of Today

00:50:29 - Pardon This Interruption

00:53:04 - Can’t Close My Eyes

01:11:41 - Youth Crew as a Movement

01:12:46 - We Just Might

01:22:21 - Touring on Can’t Close My Eyes

01:26:56 - Wishingwell Records

01:29:42 - Break Down The Walls

01:40:15 - Record Collecting & Trade Currency

01:50:19 - Revelation Records

01:57:00 - Break Down The Walls Cont.

02:10:30 - Break Down The Walls Tour

02:21:12 - The Girl Next Door Soundtrack

02:22:25 - We're Not In This Alone

02:39:48 - “No More” Music Video

02:45:21 - We're Not In This Alone Tour, Formation of Shelter

02:55:14 - Renouncing the World via Shelter

03:02:09 - Equal Vision Records & Krishnacore

03:05:00 - Mantra

03:18:21 - Shelter After Mantra

03:26:24 - Breaking Edge

03:33:04 - Top 4 Hardcore Records of All Time

The time has sadly come for our final episode with our beloved late Bo Lueders...  

But very poetically, it is one where perhaps his passions and interests were all on display like never before, and that he describes as the day he's been waiting for his entire life: We visited the historic site in Dallas, TX where President John F. Kennedy was assassinated on November 22nd, 1963.

We hit all of the local relevant hotspots in the area, he shares his theories & breaks down the historical facts (and fictions) we talk to a few lifetime Dallas locals about their views on one of the biggest news stories in American history... and then we walk off into the Sunset together, after 4 beautiful years of fulfilling our mission.  

This episode has nothing to do with hardcore music, or really music at all, but hardcore music brought us together to share our passions with the world and I'm so grateful that we got to capture this one for him as the perfect final sendoff.

Stick around 'til the end. Love you Bo.

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00:00:00 - Start

01:15 - The Kennedy Assassination, Dealey Plaza, Lee Harvey Oswald

13:19 - Jimmy Files and The Fence

18:23 - The Grassy Knoll

20:26 - Ron Washington, Dallas Local

24:43 - The Underpass and The Autopsy

27:40 - Marshal Evans, Author

37:52 - The 6th Floor Museum

38:34 - The Bridge

40:18 - Goodbye, Bo

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A few weeks ago, Bo & I had the special privilege of traveling to Nashville to get an inside look into the making of DRAIN's "...Is Your Friend" U.S. tour with No Pressure, Haywire and Secret World, via our friends at Monster Energy. 

This was our first OFFICIAL "assignment" on behalf of Monster since we started working with them officially in January, and it's a bittersweet example of what was to come of this dream partnership. We're so grateful for the memories that this has created since losing our beloved Bohan Lueders, for what has now become his penultimate HardLore episode ever. 

We spent several days with the band & their crew made up entirely of hardcore musicians from bands like Rotting Out, Cosmic Joke, One Step Closer and more to give you all an inside look at their gear & production. We hope you enjoy this unique episode that was a first and last for us as a duo, where Bo’s unique knowledge and passion for gear was on full display.

Go see them near you soon.

Head to hardloremerch.com to grab a Bo memorial t-shirt for an amazing cause that we can't wait to tell you more about soon...

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00:01:44 - Chapter 1: DRAIN, Before The Storm

00:06:29 - Chapter 2: HardLore Hardware Highlight, Drain's Gear

00:48:25 - Chapter 3: They're The Crew, Meet Drain's Touring Crew

01:17:24 - Chapter 4: Drain & Co.'s Top 4 Hardcore Records

01:22:10 - Chapter 5: Day One of Tour in Dallas Texas

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On April 2nd, 2026, the world lost Bo, and I lost my best friend.

I will have much more to say over time... But this episode was something that, upon time of recording (January, 2026), we decided was too intimate to post. We reviewed the initial cut (thank you Steven), and feared that once something so personal was out there, we couldn't ever take it back. We decided to store it and save it for off chance that we might some day feel comfortable posting it.

That day sadly came much sooner than either of us ever expected... This conversation, that I am now so thankful for, is a thorough look into our lives before & during the show. We came up with something like 100-150 questions before narrowing it down to this intimate conversation wherein we interviewed each other for the first, and last time.

The goal was not only to get to know each other in ways we didn't, but share something new and unique with you all. Now, all things considered, it is an absolute miracle. I expected going back through this to be painful and impossible, and it turned out to be some of the only comfort I've found since his passing. Suddenly he was here, back in the room with me, as he now is with all of you. I am writing this in haste basically on the way to his memorial, so I will let him speak for himself here now.

For Bo, Forever.

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00:00:00 - Start

00:05:32 - Where were we born?

00:14:18 - Who had the most influence on us?

00:19:46 - Chris Mills

00:21:47 - What did we learn early about money and survival?

00:27:11 - Childhood memories that shaped us

00:34:10 - What kind of kids were we?

00:44:50 - What was expected of us growing up?

00:53:19 - When did you first feel misunderstood?

01:05:12 - Our first bands and first shows

01:11:09 - When did we first feel like ourselves?

01:16:56 - Did we feel like we belonged anywhere?

01:21:45 - Anger, sadness & anxiety

01:28:43 - When did we know we wanted something more than normal life?

01:32:20 - What were our first escapes?

01:36:17 - Mistakes that taught us the most

01:38:10 - Who were you trying to impress?

01:40:55 - What did music give you that regular life didn't?

01:41:38 - First real jobs, and what they taught us

01:56:20 - What did failure look like to you?

2:00:15 - What part of adulthood do we feel unprepared for?

2:05:24 - When did you first feel competent at something?

2:07:36 - Do we feel any guilt about HardLore?

2:10:58 - When did we first feel this could work?

2:12:03 - What part of HardLore came naturally/unnaturally?

2:16:15 - What almost stopped HardLore early on?

2:17:21 - Honest first impressions of each other

2:20:41 - What do people get wrong about our dynamic?

2:22:31 - What we learn about ourselves through each other?

2:25:18 - What part of the show don't we talk about?

2:27:19 - Public perception

2:29:16 - How do you deal with criticism?

2:31:16 - What do we believe in more strongly now than ever?

2:32:43 - What responsibility do we feel towards our audience?

2:33:11 - What do you hope outlives you, what scares you the most about being remembered?

2:35:11 - What would feel incomplete if it ended now?

HardLore: A Knotfest Series, Fueled by Monster Energy

Edited by Steven Grise • Title sequence by Nicholas Marzluf

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