Hello and welcome to episode 35 of HCS Pro Talk! This week, we got a LOT of rosters to go over, Will and I played through Fireteam Raven, and there a plenty of news stories to cover. Along with the Gamebattles 2K tournaments, the Pro Battle League season 3 keeps going strong as we have a ton of series to cover. For the main topic of this episode, we discuss why organizations are leaving competitive Halo. Oh yeah, and you get a little Josh ranty rant somewhere in this episode. Thank you for the listening and as always, links to everything that is talked about in the episode is below for your viewing pleasure, along with timestamps for the first time!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4YcrVmPTcERosterMainia 2:05Wills Adventures within the Haloverse/Fireteam Raven 12:14News 25:03News (competitive) 31:38News (PBL) 33:44Scrims 43:37Tournaments 46:47Main Topic 56:53Shoutouts and more 1:22:04LATAMMini MagicsNobleScylerMagicButtonsAtzoCL EsportsBulletDesecratesBMXCARLOGAMBINOLegolazNew TeamMethodVystrelProxxysMemberXXAngsukaLilSayayinLoftyDeidaraTactical V2MyNameCarpeRDEspaceMurderNexus New RosterLordPlancarteEndelsDybalaExpressExcessiveNinjaLiiahIraulKanadeAssassins of GodsCaboTolaLaloSaulHudsonLoqiAustralia/New ZealandEstoReaverKill SwitchVenomInfernoTeaEssDubYungWilcoxJimbobMonzaBaldYes DaddyDethSquareOhGrahamAlejoColt MafokaAtzoQMatronKillerDadJingleEUWeViciousCensureDezireOutkasteDeadeyeFredNiel the DoctorAlexeerNinjaaaaaaaaTheWarriorONielRudimentaryNorth AmericaLuxGaming (IS FUCKING BACK!)SickStoryBoamxValkyrieRynoPro Battle LeagueSt. Louis SentinelsInformation coming next weekColumbus OriginInformation coming next weekNashville OutlawsGold Star BRVetraJosueBobettaFettaDreamRivalKansas City LightningBunnies WaddlesVulcanHclicPopeBumAustin RoyalsRammyMunozGalaxySnxwNinjaDallas StampedeIn RealityMist NinjitsuDynamicsJust ImproveSpinks JinxArticleBoamxOrlando ForceSwishDallayCommonPilezNew York TitansDanoxideEccentrikkRob The TurtleObnoxiuzToronto SabresKouragesPrimacyStressXmanSan Jose EdgeDark ScorchLD50NegativePeanutButterPhiladelphia ForgeJesse SiaoSlinkySorrellSuperCCDenver RangersCratosNadedNot a MonkSuspectorHouston VipersClaytron MaulerKnedlzMynxTitannDMV KnightsAgent MenkeJaxxRynoCortexMinnesota PredatorsFloppieHerSideGuysBackMKoski88VeronikuhhhAnaheim PiratesStr8 SickTuSickCommonlySteady MightAlberta BearsHaloetteSilosTheVillainChilledZai7sevWills Adventures Within the Haloverse
Time to see if Will played more Halo?!?!?Halo: Fireteam Raven thoughts and impressionsTrevor’s ThoughtsFirst of all, had a lot of fun. I enjoyed the action, non stop, the visuals, and the moments with master Chief. I wish the music was a little louder, or there was a way to drown out the exterior noise. Gameplay wise, my gun and reticle we're very unsynced, felt way behind, not sure if everyone else had that problem. Also, sometimes hard to tell which character is attacking you, especially with banshees. The turrets and rocket parts were my favorite, reloading wasn't that fun or intuitive imo. It was a good length, and not terribly expensive. Though I haven't played an arcade game in a long time. I enjoyed it overall, just a few issues, but a lot of fun overall. Too bad the link to waypoint account didn't work.Dom’s ThoughtsI wish the QR code reader would've worked to track stats and wished the sound was a bit better as I couldn't hear the dialog much. Could've been due to being in a Dave and Busters, but I haven't had that issue playing something like Time Crisis. Time Crisis isn't even in a capsule either! Speaking of odd things, why they chose purple as a character color is beyond me. It was hard to spot my reticle at times when your fighting the purple covenant. Minor complaint, but still an odd choice considering all the colors they could've chose. Gameplay wise, the plasma pistol section of the game was puzzling. Nobody wants to nor enjoys maining with that gun and it's not really a gun meant for arcade shooters. I only use it to be a dbag online for easy kills and even then, I got a BR to use to get the kill. Otherwise I used it in Halo 2 Legendary campaign a lot. I was fine with the rest of the guns in all honesty. Game got repetitive and dull I'd say between the 3rd and 4th mission. Yes it's a rail shooter, but that's why you put in some good boss battles.This games big boss battles were big hunters, big flood, and a scarab at the end. Meh, meh, yay. And the yay part I've done many times in the other halo games. I mean, I have a rocket launcher with unlimited ammo and a shotgun that shoots like the Spas-12, couldn't we come up with some cooler things to fight too?Weapons were great aside from the plasma pistol. Rocket Launcher made me feel like a bad ass, shotgun was great, and then that turreted, grenade launcher thing at the end as awesome too. Grenades didn't really feel like grenades though. They feel more like a grenade launcher. I say that as it didn't really arc at all and they threw out very quickly as if it shot from a grenade launcher. Master Chief should've learned from Raven Team on how to throw a grenade.Oh and the grunts were way too spongeyCongratulations to OG on their TI8 win!The Making of Halo: Fireteam Ravenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynacIJU2h_wHalo MCC Xbox One X Enhancement Trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdCKXQ3R3d0Halo: Silent Storm Excerpt - By Steve Downeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL8tRXQWlTwForerunner Slayer Out Now Within Halo 5https://twitter.com/Halo/status/1032679534670143488Halo Community Spotlighthttps://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/spotlight-august-23-2018Official Halo Discord Out Nowhttp://discord.gg/HaloHalo MCC Coming to Game Pass on September 1st Including New Updatehttps://twitter.com/Halo/status/1031932355584245760Halo MCC Update Out Nowhttps://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/news/mcc-updateHCS London 2018 Qualified TeamsNASplyceTOXRenegadesReciprocityTrifectaExcelerate GamingEULucidInvictusRadiant EsportsMock-ItANZAthleticoLATAMBerserker EsportsHCS London Pool Draw Scheduled for September 4thhttps://twitter.com/HCS/status/1032724502235369472Microsoft Store 4v4 Tournaments Scheduled for September 9thhttps://twitter.com/HCS/status/1032764924236312587Saint Boswell H3 MLG Settings 2v2 Tournament Announcement - September 2ndhttps://twitter.com/SaintBoswell/status/1032014824870424576KMadiffy H3 2v2 Tournament Announcement - September 16thhttps://twitter.com/Sundaaayz/status/1032156370642984960Roster Lock Set for September 2ndControversy - Some ‘Pro’ players allowed and what that means for other competitors?Tuesday, August 21stTOX VS RenegadesSeries Score8-7 - TOXStats - http://halodatahive.com/Scrim/Summary/11898TOX had one more killRenegades had 15 more assistsTOX had 9 less deathsTOX had 8 more power killsRenegades had 17 more precision killsRenegades had 14 more magnum killsWednesday, August 22ndReciprocity VS Excelerate GamingSeries Score11-3 - ReciprocityStats - http://halodatahive.com/Scrim/Summary/11899Thursday, August 23rdRenegades VS TrifectaSeries Score7-0 - RenegadesStats - http://halodatahive.com/Scrim/Summary/11900Invictus VS Radiant EsportsSeries Score12-2 - InvictusStats - http://halodatahive.com/Scrim/Summary/11902TOX VS ReciprocitySeries Score9-6 - TOXStats - http://halodatahive.com/Scrim/Summary/11904TOX had 12 more killsReciprocity had 10 more assistsTOX had 14 less deathsTOX had 3 more power killsReciprocity had 10 more precision killsReciprocity had 14 more magnum killsFriday, August 24thExcelerate Gaming VS VeggiesSeries Score10-5 - Excelerate GamingStats - http://halodatahive.com/Scrim/Summary/11905Veggies had 7 more killsVeggies had 41 more assistsVeggies had 7 less deathsExcelerate had 26 more power killsVeggies had 13 more precision killsVeggies had 36 more magnum killsEvery game was very close but it just appears as though Excelerate were able to close out more than Veggies.TOX VS ElevateSeries Score14-1 - TOXStats - http://halodatahive.com/Scrim/Summary/11906Monday, August 27thInvictus VS Mock-itSeries Score10-5 - InvictusStats - http://halodatahive.com/Scrim/Summary/11915Nadestraight Sunday Showdown Halo 5 2v2 Tournament Recap1st PlaceSonny LGSLGFrager2nd PlaceConnectionShabbyDaggerShaadyzerBrackethttps://bit.ly/2NlCHhCVODhttps://www.twitch.tv/nadestraight/video/302150478The Beach LAN 7 Halo: CE 2v2 Tournament Recap1st PlaceJoDick2nd PlaceGoats3rd PlaceWordBoyBrackethttps://challonge.com/dvdyz39uVOD’shttps://www.twitch.tv/beachlanPro Battle League Season 3 Week 1 ResultsToronto Sabres VS St. Louis SentinelsInformation coming next weekChicago United VS Columbus OriginInformation coming next weekNashville Outlaws VS Kansas City LightningGame 1 - Slayer on The Rig50-32 - Nashville Game 2 - CTF on Truth3-0 - NashvilleGame 3 - Strongholds on Empire100-17 - NashvilleSeries Score3-0 - NashvilleVODhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA0L6RwUwQwAustin Royals VS Dallas StampedeGame 1 - Slayer on The Rig50-46 - DallasGame 2 - CTF on Truth2-1 - DallasGame 3 - Strongholds on Empire100-36 - AustinGame 4 - Oddball on Eden150-139 - DallasSeries Score3-1 - DallasVODhttps://mixer.com/PBLHalo?vod=50931027Orlando Force VS New York TitansGame 1 - Slayer on The Rig50-39 - New YorkGame 2 - CTF on Truth3-1 - OrlandoGame 3 - Strongholds on Empire100-55 - New YorkGame 4 - Oddball on Eden150-80 - New YorkSeries Score3-1 - New YorkVODhttps://mixer.com/PBLHalo?vod=50931027San Jose Edge VS Anaheim PiratesGame 1 - Slayer on The Rig50-44 - AnaheimGame 2 - CTF on Truth2-1 - AnaheimGame 3 - Strongholds on Empire100-16 - San JoseGame 4 - Oddball on Eden (after two resets)150-121 - AnaheimSeries Score3-1 - AnaheimVODhttps://mixer.com/PBLHalo?vod=50952777Philadelphia Forge VS Orlando ForceGame 1 - Slayer on The Rig50-32 - PhiladelphiaGame 2 - CTF on Truth3-1 - PhiladelphiaGame 3 - Strongholds on Empire100-96 - OrlandoGame 4 - Oddball on Eden (after two resets)150-124 - OrlandoGame 5 - Slayer on Coliseum46-45 - PhiladelphiaSeries Score3-2 - PhiladelphiaVODhttps://mixer.com/PBLHalo?vod=51299175Denver Rangers VS Dallas StampedeGame 1 - Slayer on The Rig50-45 - DenverGame 2 - CTF on Truth3-1 - DenverGame 3 - Strongholds on Empire100-82 - DenverSeries Score3-0 - DenverVODhttps://mixer.com/PBLHalo?vod=51299175https://mixer.com/PBLHalo?vod=51307854Dallas Stampede VS Houston VipersGame 1 - Slayer on The Rig50-38 - DallasGame 2 - CTF on Truth3-0 - DallasGame 3 - Strongholds on Empire100-17 - DallasSeries Score3-0 - DallasVODhttps://mixer.com/PBLHalo?vod=51307854Pro Battle League Season 3 Week 2 ResultsDMV Knights VS Philadelphia ForgeGame 1 - CTF on Coliseum3-1 - DMVGame 2 - Slayer on Plaza50-32 - DMVGame 3 - Strongholds on The Rig100-45 - DMVSeries Score3-0 - DMVVODhttps://mixer.com/PBLHalo?vod=51929397Denver Rangers VS Nashville OutlawsGame 1 - CTF on Coliseum3-0 - DenverGame 2 - Slayer on Plaza50-48 - NashvilleGame 3 - Strongholds on The Rig100-37 - DenverGame 4 - CTF on Truth3-0 - DenverSeries Score3-1 - DenverVODhttps://mixer.com/PBLHalo?vod=51929397Minnesota Predators VS Toronto SabresGame 1 - CTF on Coliseum3-1 - TorontoGame 2 - Slayer on Plaza50-40 - TorontoGame 3 - Strongholds on The Rig100-99 - TorontoSeries Score3-0 - TorontoVODhttps://mixer.com/PBLHalo?vod=51929397Alberta Bears VS Anaheim PiratesGame 1 - CTF on Coliseum3-0 - AnaheimGame 2 - Slayer on Plaza50-19 - AnaheimGame 3 - Strongholds on The Rig100-3 - AnaheimSeries Score3-0 - AnaheimVODhttps://mixer.com/PBLHalo?vod=51929397LATAM Gamebattles 2K Tournament Recap1st PlaceMini Magics$3502000 Points2nd PlaceCL Esports$1501200 Points3rd/4thNew TeamXX800 Points5th/6th/7th/8thTactical V2Nexus New RosterExpressAssassins of Gods600 PointsBracket - https://bit.ly/2P9pWHsANZ Gamebattles 2K Tournament Recap1st PlaceAthletico$5002000 Points2nd PlaceCentreLink Gaming$2501200 Points3rd/4thTeaEssDubYes Daddy800 Points5th/6thEstoOsprey GamingColt Mafoka600 PointsBracket - https://bit.ly/2wosyJVEU Gamebattles 2K Tournament Recap1st PlaceSigh - Halo 5 (Lucid Gaming)$7502000 Points2nd PlaceSSSQ$2501200 Points3rd/4thMockItRadiant800 Points5th/6th/7th/8thNiel The DoctorInvalid EsportsWeViciousSkitLite600 PointsBracket - https://bit.ly/2PAhi5MNA Gamebattles 2K Tournament Recap1st PlaceReciprocity$1,5002000 Points2nd PlaceTOX$5001200 Points3rd/4thRenegadesExcelerate800 Points5th/6th/7th/8thTrifectaElevateStr8 RippinMentality600 PointsBracket - https://bit.ly/2wpBnD7Why Are Orgs Leaving Halo? - The Results
Community ThoughtsSanderI think Halo esports could be big if it was played on pc. Viewership should be a lot higher, I think Halo 5 is very fun to watch and the money is also not to bad. Not enough events, online and offline, look at COD for example, that’s way more interesting. And nobody’s knows what’s happing next year.TS LocoElephanteI wish it was halo 2/3 days. but ever since reach, the franchise has been going downhill. with 343 not outwardly seeming to be all in with their commitment to the community and past balancing issues, I can't see why any org would want to take the risk/part in an unknown.Alejandro PenaSadly Halo doesn't have the reach *pun not intended* it had before. Orgs are there because of advertising moneyNight FoxMajor orgs: The payout/amount of good teams are hard to break into because of buyouts. Plus viewership is pretty low compared to the other big Esports. Minor orgs: They are mostly “orgs” by name and therefore don’t have a lot of money backing them in the first placeAlso to note: some orgs that leave were fraudulent orgsTLockIt just baffles me. Halo had the 2nd biggest payout of money last year for console eSports. Only behind CoD. Halo is now 3rd behind CoD and FIFA. Using this tweet for the info. It also doesn’t help that there’s no “regular season” and barely anything mentioning tournament updates and/or roster announcements from each org on the HCS Twitter. It’s like they reluctantly tweet out out stuff if they get called out. I know Tashi’s heart is in it but can’t same for the other organizers. Seems like every other weekend there’s a cod tourney. Takes 2 months for “consecutive” Halo tourneys.https://twitter.com/Moses_FPS/status/1019733397059588097ScudPuddleMy opinion, I really don’t pay attention to the orgs. Players are constantly changing and it’s hard to have loyalty to an org if your watching from the fringe. I like players, and they just happen to be playing for the same org most of the time. Look at TOX for example, people loved them when they were CLG. When Optic took them over, people didn’t stop cheering for them because they had loyalty to CLG. And people who liked the old optic roster didn’t stop cheering for LOL who eventually became Str8.Then again when Optic left Halo, fans didn’t stop liking the roster.It’s hard to have a loyalty whenever things aren’t regionalized. I like what the PBL is doing with that. But unfortunately, it’s for a game that’s going on 3 years with little innovation from the developer.Brian aka BrianMakesGamesI'd be curious to know if Gears of War and Call of Duty see the same situation happening with orgs in their spheres.It'd be cool if we could reach out to a representative from the gears community (maybe a caster?) for comment on this. Also if someone from an org would comment too. Instead of speculation (though the discussion is great) we could maybe get some actual answers.Conversation between Brian and Maze (CEO of Noble Esports)Maze is the CEO of Noble eSports. They currently sponsor teams/players in Rainbow 6: Siege, PUBG, H1Z1, Forza, Madden, Injustice 2, Smash Wii-U, and mroe. They also sponsor a "twitch stream team." Here is their halo eSports page: https://halo.esportspedia.com/Noble_eSportsMaze: "Our owner started Noble with a Halo team so he was always connected to the scene. But as an org, there are a bunch of scenes that aren't marketable or valuable business-wise. Halo is a thing of the past to most sponsors/investors eyes so they rather explore new options. Viewership was at a critical state for the new game and it was due to the "optic" effect. That's meaning once optic gaming was out of the tourney then viewers dropped dramatically."Brian: "So despite Halo 5 having $1.4m in prize money across 16 tournaments for only 82 players in 2018 (2nd highest prize pool for console eSports only behind FIFA with $1.7m and nearly 3x the players), there's not enough viewership to justify things for an org?"Maze: "Yeah and another reason is that the player base is not ideal to work with, demanding large salaries without a good ROI%, they have comparatively minimal streaming metrics, social media impressions, etc. Halo adapted the COD mentality unfortunately. Expect the world but don't look at it as a business opportunity through both sides. It's been gimme gimme instead of something that makes sense for the player and the org."Brian: "Meaning that halo and players expect too much of the orgs without helping? What's an example of a game/company that does this well?"Maze: "Halo players want salary without giving back a return of prize winnings, but they don't create content [Youtube, twitter, twitch, etc.] and barely support sponsors of brands. Also fucking roster changes lol."Brian: "Yeah...roster changes seem like a nightmare from a business perspective."Maze: "We almost went back into Halo 8 months ago. But were like, it doesn't make sense for us to. My opinion on how to make that scene better: less events will bring higher viewership and minimize roster changes. For example, Madden this year has only 4 offline open events and the rest are online ladders to qualify to play offline. Same prize money as Halo with minimal risk for orgs plus NFL exposure for brands/sponsors/orgs. Now a days it is about metrics more than placements -- that's how sponsors gauge their interests. Winning is great but only one team wins."Our ThoughtsEveryone at Pro Battle League for having to deal with a lot of negativity in the space and for handling it in spades.Everyone who shines a positive light out there. 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