The video of this episode is at https://brucechalmer.com/embracing-and-healing-shame-an-interview-with-sheila-rubin-and-bret-lyon/.

We’ve all experienced shame. It’s painful! But, as our guests in this episode point out, shame is not only necessary, but it can also be helpful. How can we transform shame from a destructive force to an ally? Check out our interview and find out.

Sheila and Bret’s website is https://healingshame.com/.

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