S6, Ep 1- Vaccine Hesitancy & Access: What Our Latest Survey Reveals

In this season premiere of Healthcare Matters, our hosts are joined by Seth Ginsberg, President and Co-Founder of the Global Healthy Living Foundation (GHLF), to discuss the critical role of vaccines in public health and the persistent challenges of misinformation, access barriers, and vaccine hesitancy. They also delve into the concerning findings from GHLF’s latest vaccine quick poll, which reveals that over 11 percent of respondents do not plan to get vaccinated during the 2024-2025 respiratory season. The conversation highlights the urgent need for education, advocacy, and policy reform to rebuild public trust and ensure equitable vaccine access.

Tune in to learn more about the survey results and discover how health care providers, policymakers, and organizations like GHLF can collaborate to drive meaningful change.

Among the highlights in this episode:

01:48: Dr. Popovian, Chief Science Policy Officer at GHLF, explains why vaccines are considered the most cost-effective health care intervention, citing historical examples such as the eradication of smallpox and the economic benefits of high immunization rates

04:37: Ben Blanc, Associate Director, Digital Production and Engagement at GHLF, comments on the results of GHLF’s latest survey, highlighting that 11% of chronic disease patients surveyed do not plan to get vaccinated this respiratory season

06:45: Dr. Popovian breaks down key barriers preventing access, including out-of-pocket costs, logistical and geographic barriers, especially in underserved communities, and policy restrictions preventing pharmacists from administering vaccines in certain states

08:32: Seth Ginsberg, President and co-founder of GHLF, explains why advocacy is crucial in addressing vaccine hesitancy, especially among chronic disease patients. He highlights that 89% of survey respondents trust health care providers for vaccine information — showing that physicians and pharmacists play a key role in combating misinformation

10:37: Seth recommends listeners to listen to the recent second season of GHLF’s Informed Immunity podcast series, designed to provide credible, relatable, and engaging vaccine education

13:30: Dr. Popovian references new CDC data on increasing COVID-19, RSV, and flu hospitalizations and warns that the situation will worsen without increased vaccination rates

14:20: Seth raises the issue of growing distrust in pharmaceutical companies, which contributes to vaccine hesitancy

15:05: Dr. Popovian debunks two major myths:

Myth #1: "If I get vaccinated, I’ll never get sick." Vaccines don’t prevent all infections but significantly reduce severity, hospitalizations, and deaths

Myth #2: "Natural immunity is better than vaccines." Natural immunity may be as effective as vaccine-induced immunity, but it comes with far greater risks — especially for vulnerable populations

16:57: Seth introduces the 50-State Network’s Advocating for Vaccines training, an essential new tool to help patients effectively share their personal story and advocate for policies that improve vaccine access. For more information about the program, visit: https://ghlf.org/vaccine-training-page/

19:01: Dr. Popovian expresses concern over how Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s anti-vaccine stance could worsen vaccine hesitancy

21:51: Seth emphasizes the need for collaboration between health care providers, patient advocacy groups, policymakers, and manufacturers to improve vaccine uptake

22:30: Dr. Popovian adds that health care professionals must take responsibility by educating patients, having real conversations, and addressing concerns transparently

24:38: Dr. Popovian shares some final thoughts

To read more about GHLF’s latest vaccine survey results, visit: https://creakyjoints.org/living-with-arthritis/coronavirus/patient-perspectives/poll-vaccine-confidence/

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In this episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian, Ben Blanc, and guest Corey Greenblatt, Director of State Policy and Advocacy at GHLF, dive into the complexities of vaccine guidelines and access. They discuss the role of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), with Corey sharing insights on GHLF’s advocacy to make vaccines more accessible. Dr. Popovian underscores the importance of aligning guidelines with FDA labeled indication or to institute more common sense ACIP guidance that can be applied at the community level to improve clarity for health care providers and access for patients.

Tune in to learn how streamlined guidelines, improved patient data access, and empowered health care providers can drive better patient care in the U.S.

Among the highlights in this episode:

02:41: Dr. Popovian explains the role of ACIP and its impact on vaccine recommendations, which are based on expert consensus and cost-effectiveness, emphasizing its relevance for patients with chronic illnesses

04:03: Corey Greenblatt shares GHLF’s feedback to ACIP regarding proposed RSV guidelines, focusing on the need for improved vaccine access for older patients and the limitations of relying on patient self-reporting for eligibility

06:35: Corey highlights the importance of pharmacies in vaccine access, especially in underserved communities, and stresses that empowering pharmacists to make informed decisions could increase vaccine uptake among high-risk populations

07:04: Corey discusses challenges of implementing ACIP’s RSV guidelines in community pharmacy settings, especially for patients aged 60 to 74, stressing the importance of aligning guidelines with FDA recommendations to empower pharmacists

09:01: Dr. Popovian elaborates on the limitations of patient self-reporting in health care, explaining how it can conflict with health care providers' training and undermine clinical judgment

11:57: Dr. Popovian and Ben discuss patient data ownership, with Ben explaining how France’s centralized health care system provides patients with direct access to their medical records, a stark contrast to the fragmented approach in the U.S.

15:35: Ben compares the U.S. and French health care systems, focusing on patient access to medical records, and how France’s centralized system enables better record access and coordination

19:55: Dr. Popovian advocates for alignment between ACIP guidelines and FDA labels, noting that clear, consistent guidelines would aid health care providers, particularly pharmacists, in safely delivering vaccines

24:47: Dr. Popovian shares some final thoughts

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In this episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc unpack the often unpredictable nature of political affiliations in relation to support for patient-centric policies, particularly in the realm of drug pricing and the influence of Pharmacy Benefit Managers (PBMs). They discuss bipartisan efforts to address drug pricing reforms and delve into Governor Newsom's controversial veto of the PBM Reform Bill in California. Additionally, the episode covers the FTC’s lawsuit against PBMs over insulin pricing and assesses its potential implications for patient care. Dr. Popovian also challenges a misleading statement by The Wall Street Journal regarding drug rebates.

Among the highlights in this episode:

01:03: Dr. Popovian dives into the critical issues surrounding drug policy, emphasizing how political affiliation sometimes doesn't align with effective health care policy for patients, highlighting the cross-party collaboration and conflict within drug pricing reforms

02:09: Dr. Popovian elaborates on the complex nature of drug pricing policies, pointing out the unusual alliances formed across political lines. He discusses how both conservative and liberal politicians have joined forces to address issues with Pharmacy Benefit Management companies (PBMs), which he identifies as major contributors to the problems within the drug pricing system

03:56: Dr. Popovian challenges a statement by The Wall Street Journal concerning rebate contracting in drug pricing, clarifying that while rebates are permitted there is no legislative requirement forcing PBMs to adopt rebate contracting. Dr. Popovian points out that alternative pricing models like net price contracting are viable and used by large insurers like Kaiser in California without relying on rebate contracts

You can find Dr. Popovian’s LinkedIn posts on this topic below:

-       https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7246621458792165376/

-       https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7245454053596422144/

To read the full article from The Wall Street Journal, visit: https://www.wsj.com/opinion/federal-trade-commission-pharmacy-benefit-managers-insulin-43b0a974?mod=opinion_lead_pos1

05:35: Dr. Popovian discusses a controversial veto of the PBM Reform Bill in California by Governor Newsom, analyzing the negative implications for patient care in California and contrasting this with other states' more patient-friendly policies

08:15: Our hosts discuss the FTC's lawsuit against major PBMs regarding insulin pricing, exploring how past practices of PBMs have escalated costs and restricted patient access to essential medications

10:58: Dr. Popovian sheds light on the critical role of patient self-advocacy in navigating a health care system dominated by PBMs and insurers, stressing the importance of patient education and legislative support to safeguard patient rights

12:08: Ben lists a series of tips on navigating health information on social media, emphasizing critical thinking and the importance of sourcing information from credible and knowledgeable sources

14:03: Dr. Popovian shares some final thoughts

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In this episode of Healthcare Matters, join Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc as they delve into the issue of patient steering by Pharmacy Benefit Managers (PBMs). With firsthand accounts from guests Lou Tharp, Executive Director and Co-Founder of GHLF, and Dr. Anne Sydor, Director of Research Development at GHLF, the discussion highlights how PBM-owned pharmacies and policies like accumulators and maximizers limit patient choice and inflate out-of-pocket costs.

Tune in to learn more about the complex dynamics behind these practices, the impact on patient care, and the ongoing legislative efforts to protect patient rights.

Among the highlights in this episode:

03:01: Dr. Popovian explains the role of Pharmacy Benefit Managers (PBMs) in patient steering and their financial motivations for directing patients to PBM-owned pharmacies over independent ones

04:59: Lou shares his personal experiences with patient steering, explaining the challenges he faced with PBMs and his advocacy efforts that led to local policy changes

09:23: Dr. Sydor recounts the challenges she faced ensuring her son's medication continuity as he transitions to college, highlighting the barriers imposed by insurance companies regarding prescription fills

13:18: Lou discusses his negative experiences with at-home drug delivery due to PBM’s policies

15:26: Dr. Sydor criticizes the inefficiencies and customer service issues within PBMs, sharing her frustration with the lack of access to simple, generic medications due to PBM's mail order requirements

20:20: Dr. Popovian discusses state-level anti-steering legislation and federal initiatives aimed at reforming PBM practices, including a significant bill that proposes prohibiting PBMs from owning pharmacies to reduce conflicts of interest and promote patient care over profits

23:27: Dr. Popovian shares some final thoughts

If you want to use GHLF's interactive tool to explore health care premium cost trends state by state and learn more about patient assistance programs, visit: https://ghlf.org/copay-assistance-protection/

To learn more about House Committee on Oversight and Accountability Chairman James Comer’s call on the CEOs of the three major PBMs, go to: https://oversight.house.gov/release/chairman-comer-calls-on-pbm-executives-to-correct-hearing-testimony/

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In this episode of Healthcare Matters, join Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc as they dissect the critical role of Pharmacy Benefit Managers (PBMs) in the health care system, guided by recent findings from the Federal Trade Commission (FTC). The episode delves into how PBMs control a significant portion of the U.S. prescription market, discussing the implications of their dominance on drug prices, and the viability of independent pharmacies. Featuring a thorough examination of the FTC's recent report, Dr. Popovian explores the deep-seated issues of market concentration, anti-competitive practices, and the need for substantial regulatory reform.

This episode aims to shed the light on the powerful influence PBMs have over drug access and affordability, proposing pathways for more equitable health care practices.

Among the highlights in this episode:

01:45: Dr. Popovian delves into the FTC's report, revealing that three major PBMs control 80% of the retail prescription market in the U.S., highlighting issues of market concentration and limited competition

02:46: The conversation shifts to the impact of PBMs on drug prices and pharmacy operations, focusing on the FTC's concerns over anti-competitive practices 

03:14: Dr. Popovian explains the effects of vertical and horizontal integration among PBMs, affecting drug access and pricing

06:35: Our hosts discuss the struggles faced by independent pharmacies due to PBM practices, as revealed in the FTC report

09:59: Dr. Popovian explores how PBMs use formulary design to manipulate which drugs patients can access and at what cost

11:59: Dr. Popovian criticizes the current rebate practices by PBMs, discussing their detrimental effects on the availability of generic and biosimilar drugs

14:25: Dr. Popovian calls for greater transparency and potential regulatory reforms to ensure fair drug pricing and maintain pharmacy viability

16:44: Dr. Popovian shares some final thoughts

To read the full FTC report “Pharmacy Benefit Managers: The Powerful Middlemen Inflating Drug Costs and Squeezing Main Street Pharmacies,” go to: https://www.ftc.gov/reports/pharmacy-benefit-managers-report

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In this episode of Healthcare Matters, join our hosts as they explore the innovative world of gene therapy with guest Dr. Anne Sydor, Director of Research Development at GHLF. Together, they delve into the complexities of gene therapy treatments, the reasoning behind their high costs, and the challenges posed by current regulatory environments. They also discuss whether there is a need to reevaluate payment models to support the sustainable deployment of these life-altering therapies.

This episode provides a deep dive into the future of gene therapy and the regulatory model for manufacturing processes.

Among the highlights in this episode:

02:34: Dr. Popovian discusses the impressive number of gene therapy trials currently listed in the National Institutes of Health database, indicating significant research activity in this field

03:07: Dr. Popovian explains the impetus behind his collaborative paper on gene therapy value and pricing models, highlighting the need to understand pricing in the context of long-term health outcomes and societal benefits

04:43: Dr. Sydor provides a comprehensive overview of gene therapy, explaining its different types and methodologies, emphasizing their transformative impact on patient care

07:47: Dr. Popovian addresses why gene therapies are notably expensive, focusing on the high costs of research, development, and the significant value they bring to patients and society

09:28: Dr. Sydor highlights the societal and economic benefits of gene therapies, noting their potential to extend lives and improve quality of life for patients with rare diseases

11:15: Dr. Sydor elaborates on regulatory challenges impacting gene therapy accessibility and suggests potential improvements to ease these burdens

16:24: Dr. Popovian questions the adequacy of current payment models for gene therapies in the U.S. and suggests that a reevaluation might be necessary to accommodate the unique costs and benefits of these treatments

20:14: Dr. Sydor and Dr. Popovian discuss the broader implications of gene therapy pricing, emphasizing the need to balance upfront costs against long-term benefits in health care policy discussions

22:53: Dr. Popovian shares some final thoughts

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In this episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc bring you essential takeaways from the World Vaccine Congress. Joined by guests Abby Bownas, leader of the Adult Vaccine Access Coalition (AVAC) and the American Disease Prevention Coalition (ADPC), and Dr. Thomas Acciani, Director of U.S. Vaccine Policy at GSK, they delve into their significant roles within the vaccine landscape and discuss the overarching importance of the congress. Dr. Popovian highlights the latest advancements in vaccine research conducted by GHLF and their research partner IQVIA Human Data Sciences.

This episode offers a comprehensive overview of the current state and future directions of vaccine development and deployment. Tune in to gain a deeper understanding of the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead in the field of vaccines.

Among the highlights in this episode:

01:20: Dr. Popovian shares his recent participation to the World Vaccine Congress, including his roles as a presenter and panel moderator, offering insights into the significance of the event

02:43: Dr. Popovian and Abby Bownas discuss the importance of increasing adult vaccination rates and the federal and policy opportunities that can help achieve this goal 

04:13: Abby explains the role of the American Disease Prevention Coalition (ADPC) in supporting pharmacists as vaccinators across different states, highlighting the variation in vaccination rules and authority levels

05:06: Dr. Popovian and Abby discuss the broad coalition of partners involved in ADPC, including pharmacists, vaccine makers, patient groups, and advocacy organizations. They emphasize the coalition's efforts to harmonize state laws on pharmacist vaccination authority before federal temporary provisions expire

06:53: Abby stresses the collaborative effort required among all providers to improve vaccine access and uptake, making the case for pharmacies and physicians to work together effectively

08:23: Dr. Acciani describes his role at GSK and the importance of addressing policy barriers to enhance patient access to vaccines, stressing the collaboration with public and private sectors to remove these obstacles

09:17: Dr. Popovian and Dr. Acciani discuss the need to eliminate unnecessary policy barriers to improve vaccination accessibility, advocating for a "no wrong door" policy where patients can receive vaccinations immediately upon request

11:20: Dr. Popovian presents findings from a study on Medicaid reimbursement and its correlation with vaccine uptake, emphasizing the impact of economic incentives on vaccination rates

13:50: Dr. Popovian discusses GHLF’s research on immunization access and its correlation with reimbursement strategies, particularly focusing on the disparities in vaccination rates among different socio-economic groups

15: 57: Dr. Popovian discusses the challenges faced by immunocompromised patients in accessing vaccines, discussing the significant barriers that persist despite insurance coverage

17:27: Dr. Popovian shares insights on future research directions for GHLF, including a study on vaccine uptake challenges among immunocompromised patients and the potential policy interventions to reduce barriers to vaccination

20:10: Dr. Popovian reflects on the broader implications of vaccine research beyond infectious diseases, pointing to exciting developments in oncology vaccines and their potential impact on public health

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In this episode, Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc are joined by Kate Hudson, Associate Vice President and Counsel for Government Relations and Public Policy at the Association of American Universities, to dissect the complex issue of march-in rights. They delve into how this regulation negatively influences the partnership between public research and private sector investment, which is crucial for supporting biopharmaceutical innovation from university labs to a patient’s bedside. The episode reveals march-in rights' potential risks and benefits, especially how the policy might impact innovation and patient access to future therapies.

Among the highlights in this episode:

02:25: Researchers found that 75% of all Food and Drug Administration-approved drugs between January 2008 and December 2017 were funded and researched by private companies, with only 19% of the approved drugs having origins in publicly supported research and development, and 6% originating in companies that were spun from publicly supported research programs

03:48: Kate shares her professional journey and current role at the Association of American Universities

06:06: Kate explains the concept of march-in rights under the Bayh-Dole Act, detailing its purpose, application, and implications for intellectual property generated from federally funded research

09:52: Dr. Popovian describes his involvement with University Pharmco and its mission to promote research commercialization, emphasizing the potential impact of march-in rights on such initiatives

12:19: Kate addresses why the debate around march-in rights is crucial from a patient's perspective, particularly concerning the potential chilling effect on innovation and drug development

17:18: Kate provides her perspective on how march-in rights could influence private sector investment, potentially driving it outside the United States, and discusses the international adoption of similar legislative frameworks

19:54: Dr. Popovian shares some final thoughts

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Join Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc for a special live episode from the World Vaccine Congress in Washington, DC, where they delve into the latest developments in vaccine policy and economic research. This episode spotlights the congress's role as a vital hub for collaboration and innovation in the vaccine industry.
 
Tune in to get an insider's view of the pivotal conversations shaping the future of vaccines.

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In this episode of Healthcare Matters, Dr. Robert Popovian and Ben Blanc take a deep dive into GHLF’s latest vaccine study with guests Dr. Wayne Winegarden, Senior Fellow in Business and Economics at the Pacific Research Institute (PRI) and Director of PRI's Center for Medical Economics and Innovation, and Esteban Rivera, Associate Director of Data Science and Economics at GHLF.

Together, they delve into the study, which underscores the pivotal role pharmacists play in vaccination efforts and the urgent need for regulatory reform. They discuss how pharmacies enhance vaccine access and affordability, especially in marginalized communities, the challenges posed by regulatory barriers, and suggest ways to reform these barriers to improve vaccination rates.

Tune in to explore how pharmacies can play a pivotal role in public health through streamlined vaccination processes.

Among the highlights in this episode:

03:04: Dr. Popovian, Chief Science Policy Officer at GHLF, discusses a statistic by the Center for Disease Control that nearly 60% of all flu vaccines were administered in pharmacies in the latest flu season, emphasizing the significant role pharmacists play in combating preventable diseases

03:53: Dr. Popovian explains the reasons behind GHLF’s new report on pharmacy-administered vaccinations, including previous findings on access in low-income communities and the preference for pharmacy vaccinations post-pandemic

06:18: Dr. Winegarden discusses the study's groundbreaking findings, particularly the complex and burdensome state regulations around vaccinations and their health and economic implications

09:10: Esteban Rivera elaborates on the cost-effectiveness of vaccinating patients at pharmacies compared to physician offices and highlights the equitable benefits of increased vaccine accessibility at pharmacies

10:24: Dr. Winegarden provides an example of the RSV vaccine to illustrate specific cost savings and health impacts of pharmacy versus physician office vaccinations

13:27: Esteban Rivera discusses the complexity of regulatory pathways for vaccination, emphasizing the need for simplification to reduce costs and improve accessibility

14:26: Dr. Popovian gives examples of states that have either streamlined or erected barriers for pharmacist immunization, particularly highlighting the negative impact on underserved communities in New York

16:16: Dr. Popovian advocates for state-level regulatory reform to grant pharmacists the same authority to immunize as physicians, stressing the importance of accessibility and convenience for patients 

18:24: Dr. Popovian shares some final thoughts

To access the full report, go to: https://ghlf.org/removing_barriers_to_pharmacy_vaccination/

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