Have you ever second-guessed your ability to hear God because you got it wrong before?

In this episode, Janine Mason explores how to grow in discernment and trust the Holy Spirit’s leading in business and life. She shares why one wrong decision doesn’t disqualify you, how discernment develops through practice, and why it should work alongside—not replace—good due diligence.

Read the blog here: Heaveninbusiness.com/blog

You’ll also learn how to distinguish discernment from suspicion, recognize when past experiences may be influencing your judgment, and respond when you sense hesitation but don’t understand why.

If you want to make decisions with greater confidence while staying sensitive to God’s leading, this episode will give you practical tools for the journey.

In this episode:
• Growing in confidence when you’ve missed it before
• Developing discernment through practice
• Using discernment in hiring, partnerships, and business decisions
• Combining discernment with due diligence
• Recognizing discernment vs. suspicion
• Avoiding criticism when you can’t explain what you sense
• Identifying personal biases that can influence decisions

Next Steps: 

Timestamps:
00:00 Can you trust your discernment?
01:30 When past decisions shake your confidence
05:25 When God speaks without words
07:05 Discernment in business and hiring
08:45 Discernment takes practice
10:25 Discernment + due diligence
13:25 Discernment vs. suspicion
15:15 You don’t always need to know why
18:15 Practical safeguards for discernment
20:20 What if you get it wrong?
21:00 Recognizing personal bias
23:06 Andy’s recap + next steps

What happens when God gives you the green light—and then everything seems to go wrong?

Joseph and Brittany Williams know what it’s like to build under pressure. While launching and acquiring businesses, they faced a lawsuit, the loss of a major contract, growing payroll, young children, exhaustion, and serious strain on their marriage.

In this vulnerable conversation with Jonathan and Kara Sparks, Joseph and Brittany share what that season exposed: where identity had become attached to achievement, where trust in God was actually trust in their own gifts and resources, and what happened when their normal ability to “figure it out” stopped working.

Read the blog here: Heaveninbusiness.com/blog

They also get practical about marriage under entrepreneurial pressure, learning to stop using each other as the source, break cycles of toxic complaining, receive correction, seek wise counsel, and discover that failure doesn’t necessarily mean you missed God.

One of the most challenging ideas in the conversation: What if success isn’t always the win? What if obedience sometimes means taking the loss, letting something go, or trusting God with an outcome you desperately wanted to control?

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TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 — What do you do when competence isn’t enough?
00:55 — Brittany’s journey into senior living
01:34 — Why starting a business can’t just be about money
02:07 — Joseph’s unexpected journey into tech
02:33 — Leaving corporate leadership for entrepreneurship
03:55 — Facing the fear and responsibility of business ownership
04:12 — When an acquisition doesn’t go according to plan
04:47 — Lawsuit, lost contracts, and financial pressure hit at once
05:53 — Why would God lead you into something He knows will be hard?
06:29 — What suffering can produce in us
07:29 — What surrender to God actually looked like
08:00 — When success, reputation, and identity get stripped away
09:27 — What the pressure did to their marriage
11:17 — God doesn’t measure success by your fiscal year
12:58 — What if the Holy Spirit asks you to take the loss?
14:36 — Reaching the end of yourself
16:19 — Brittany: “I was drowning”
19:41 — What pressure revealed about them as leaders and a couple
21:01 — When your spouse can’t be your source
23:17 — Recognizing toxic patterns of complaining
24:04 — How do you get out of the spiral?
25:23 — Rebuilding identity on the right foundation
25:48 — Why they chose entrepreneurship again
27:01 — What they wish someone had told them sooner
28:03 — Failure can be part of the process
29:27 — The entrepreneur’s greatest strength—and Achilles heel
29:55 — Why you need wise counsel and community
31:06 — Where to go deeper

Pastors and business leaders need each other—but too often, they don’t understand each other’s worlds.

In this episode, Andy Mason sits down with Randy Griffin, a former pastor, business owner, and current C12 Chair, to explore how we can bridge the gap between church and marketplace.

Read the blog here: Heaveninbusiness.com/blog

You’ll discover:

Pastors don’t need to become business experts, and business leaders don’t need to become pastors. But each carries something the other needs.

It’s time to break down the sacred/secular divide, build the bridge, and equip believers to demonstrate the Kingdom of God everywhere—including Monday morning at work.

Next Steps: 

TIMESTAMPS

00:00 — Why pastors and business leaders need each other
01:14 — Randy Griffin's journey from business to ministry and back
04:49 — What is C12?
05:00 — Helping CEOs recognize God as CEO
06:05 — Employees aren't just resources—they're people to care for
07:15 — Equipping pastors to unlock their business community
08:38 — What business leaders wish their pastors understood
10:00 — Are churches measuring the wrong things?
11:04 — Is a business leader's greatest value simply giving money?
13:32 — One simple thing pastors can do tomorrow
14:03 — Get out of the church and visit the workplace
15:53 — Practical questions pastors can ask business leaders
17:52 — What pastors wish business leaders understood
18:49 — The unseen heart and sacrifice of a pastor
20:49 — The key business leaders need: humility
22:11 — How a business leader can approach their pastor
23:33 — Why pastors don't need to have every answer
25:06 — Building the bridge between business leaders and pastors
26:31 — Why the sacred/secular divide needs to go
28:37 — An invitation for pastors and business leaders
29:40 — Closing

How does someone go from alcoholism, gambling addiction, and a life falling apart... to leading with extraordinary generosity and impacting countless lives?

In this deeply honest conversation, Tony Caterina shares the journey that changed everything.

Tony opens up about growing up without direction, battling addiction, hitting rock bottom at 21, and discovering that freedom wasn't simply about quitting destructive habits—it was about finding Someone greater than his addictions.

Read the blog here: Heaveninbusiness.com/blog

Together, Andy and Tony explore marriage, surrender, hearing God's voice, persistent prayer, and the life-changing decision to eliminate "Plan B." Along the way, Tony reveals how God transformed not only his heart but also his calling, leading him into a life of Kingdom impact through business and generosity.

If you've ever wondered whether God can redeem your story—or if you're praying for someone who feels impossible to reach—this episode will encourage your faith.

In This Episode

Next Steps: 

00:00 – Introduction: From addiction to extraordinary generosity
01:19 – Growing up and early addictions
04:22 – Rock bottom and entering rehab
05:36 – Trading alcohol for gambling
08:35 – Success on the outside, brokenness inside
10:51 – Fighting for his daughter and a turning point
12:57 – Church, a Bible, and a new beginning
15:14 – "No Plan B" and rebuilding marriage
16:05 – Gambling returns... one final test
17:47 – The power of a sister's 10 years of prayer
20:44 – Giving his life to Jesus
22:10 – A simple prayer: "Help me, Jesus"
23:24 – Hearing God and losing his job
24:48 – The lessons: No Plan B & embracing the wheelbarrow
26:50 – Learning to hear God's voice
29:30 – Reading Scripture with fresh eyes
31:48 – From disaster relief to Kingdom impact
34:42 – Why Kingdom community matters
36:29 – Final encouragement: Don't do it alone

What if hearing God's voice at work was meant to be normal?

Bill Job spent more than three decades building businesses in China—not because he had the perfect business background, but because he learned to recognize God's voice and follow it one decision at a time. In this conversation with Andy Mason, Bill shares how learning God's "accent" changed everything: from leading companies with hundreds of employees to giving businesses away, discipling leaders, and seeing Kingdom impact far beyond what he imagined.

Read the blog here: Heaveninbusiness.com/blog

Together, they unpack what it means to treat God as King rather than merely a consultant, why stewardship changes the way we lead, and how simple, ongoing conversation with God can transform your workplace. Whether you're an entrepreneur, executive, or marketplace leader, this episode will inspire you to build your business on a friendship with God rather than on striving.

Episode Highlights:

Next Steps: 

Timestamps:

00:00 – Introduction & Heaven in Business 01:42 – Meet Bill Job: From the Navy to China 03:24 – Business as mission: Impact beyond traditional missions 04:33 – Building companies as a steward, not an owner 05:43 – Starting with philosophy, not business training 06:34 – Launching a business with just $10,000 07:14 – Learning to hear God's voice through listening 10:15 – Recognizing God's "accent" 11:21 – Why most leaders misunderstand the Kingdom 13:41 – Why treating God like a consultant doesn't work 15:08 – Leading people by abiding, not striving 16:56 – The greatest fruit of Bill's life's work 19:11 – Bill prays for marketplace leaders 20:45 – Andy's challenge: Is God your consultant or your King?

When life feels heavy, where does your mind naturally go? 

In this episode, Janine Mason shares a personal story of slipping back into worry and negative thinking during a difficult season. Drawing from her experience after the California wildfires, she explores the powerful choice between focusing on devastation or looking for signs of new life.

If you've been carrying family concerns, business pressures, health challenges, or circumstances beyond your control, this conversation offers a simple, biblical pathway back to hope, peace, and faith.

Read the blog here: Heaveninbusiness.com/blog

Janine walks through four practical steps that helped her break free from anxiety and regain a Kingdom perspective:

Nothing in her external circumstances changed—but everything inside her did.

In this episode you'll discover:

Next Steps: 

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction: Where is your focus?
00:40 The hidden power of your thought life
01:00 Lessons from the California wildfires
02:20 Choosing hope instead of devastation
02:55 A new challenge and slipping back into worry
04:40 How negative meditation steals hope
05:50 Recognizing agreement with fear
06:20 Four steps to regain hope and peace
06:55 Step 1: Repent
07:35 Step 2: Pray and release it to God
08:35 Step 3: Thanksgiving and praise
09:10 Step 4: Choose your focus
10:00 Your circumstances may not change—but you can
10:55 A final encouragement and prayer
11:35 Heaven in Business events & closing

What if the Bible has far more to say about business than you've ever been taught? 

In this episode, Andy Mason talks with Nicholas Leone, founder of The Business Bible, about discovering God's blueprint for work, leadership, and purpose.

Listen to the podcast here: Heaveninbusiness.com/podcast

Nicholas shares his remarkable story, from supernatural encounters with Scripture as a child to careers in hockey, Wall Street, and seminary, and explains why he believes the Bible is fundamentally a book about life, work, and partnering with God.

Together they discuss:

Whether you're a CEO, entrepreneur, manager, or simply want to integrate your faith and work more deeply, this episode offers practical wisdom and fresh perspective.

Learn more about Nicholas Leone’s work, order the Business Bible, or download the Business Bible app at BusinessBible.com.

And if this conversation stirs something in you - if you want to be in the room with other business leaders who are asking how to hear God, build with God, and bring Scripture into daily business decisions - join us this August in Dallas for the Heaven in Business Conference

How do ordinary believers bring the Kingdom of God into everyday life? 

In this episode, Andy Mason shares practical stories of simple obedience that led to extraordinary outcomes, from unexpected business favor to record-breaking harvests. He also unpacks new research highlighting the opportunity pastors have to equip marketplace believers as everyday missionaries.

Read the blog here: Heaveninbusiness.com/blog

Rather than waiting for someone else to make a difference, Andy offers three practical actions anyone can begin today:

Whether you're a pastor, entrepreneur, business owner, employee, or leader, this conversation will encourage you to step into the arena and become an active participant in what God is doing around you.

It Really Is Easier Than You Think

Of myself, I can do nothing. But with God, nothing is impossible.

Find someone. Ask six words. Pray. Set the next meeting. Tell the story.

Let's see what God will do.

Want to know more, or help your pastor activate the business people in their congregation? Get in touch with us: [email protected] - and meet us in Dallas at the Heaven in Business Conference

Timestamps

00:00 – It's easier than you think
02:19 – Testimony: Favor in furniture sales
04:39 – Testimony: Record corn harvest through prayer
07:04 – The opportunity for pastors and marketplace leaders
09:24 – Three practical steps to activate others
11:44 – Your invitation to get in the arena

In this episode, Andy Mason sits down with Will Hart, CEO of Iris Global, for a compelling conversation about the role of business leaders in advancing God's Kingdom. 

Drawing from decades of ministry around the world, including revival among unreached people groups, miraculous testimonies, and leading one of the world's most influential missions organizations, Will challenges the common belief that supernatural ministry belongs only inside the church.

Read the blog here: Heaveninbusiness.com/blog

Together they explore why entrepreneurs, executives, and everyday professionals are uniquely positioned to carry God's presence into the marketplace.

You'll hear inspiring stories of businesspeople operating in healing, prophecy, and evangelism, discover why hunger matters more than title, and learn how hearing God's voice can transform both your business and your influence.

If you've ever wondered whether your workplace can become a place where Heaven touches earth, this conversation is for you.

Episode Highlights

Next Steps: 

Timestamps:

00:00 Introduction
00:12 Is God's power only for ministers?
01:25 Will Hart's journey from addiction to leading Iris Global
05:15 Revival, persecution, and what success really looks like
07:27 Are business people called to demonstrate the Kingdom?
09:40 Business leaders advancing the Gospel around the world
12:16 Marketplace miracles and prophetic business leaders
17:38 Why Christians compartmentalize faith and work
20:23 What Kingdom demonstration actually looks like
23:02 Why business leaders should experience missions firsthand
26:15 Stop funding the Kingdom—start demonstrating it
27:06 Hearing God's voice in business
30:03 Hunger is the key to supernatural living
33:36 How to cultivate spiritual hunger
36:56 Bringing your business gifts into your spiritual life
37:55 Why Paul wrote Philemon to a businessman
41:42 Prayer for marketplace leaders

What happens when every success metric says you're winning… and then everything starts falling apart?

In this powerful conversation, Andy Mason sits down with Johnathan and Kara Sparks to unpack a journey that challenges conventional ideas of success, faith, and obedience. After building a thriving real estate development business, experiencing explosive growth, and seeing God move in remarkable ways through their company, the Sparks suddenly found themselves facing delayed contracts, lost revenue, downsizing their team, and a season that made no sense on paper.

Read the blog here: Heaveninbusiness.com/blog

Instead of finding a quick fix, they discovered something deeper: how to trust God when the numbers don't add up, how to stay anchored when circumstances contradict your calling, and how radical obedience can open doors you never imagined.

What You'll Learn:

Whether you're a business owner, leader, entrepreneur, or simply navigating a difficult season, this episode will encourage you to keep walking when the path isn't clear.

Take Your Next Step: Join Us in Dallas

This is exactly why we gather as Heaven in Business.

The Dallas Conference is designed for kingdom-minded business leaders who want more than inspiration. It is a place to receive fresh vision, hear real stories, build practical frameworks, connect with trusted peers, and encounter God in a way that changes how you lead, decide, build, and influence. The Dallas Heaven in Business Conference is August 26–28, 2026, and registration is open. 

Sign up for the Dallas Conference: Heaveninbusinesslive.com

Come ready to partner with God at work, build a better business, and multiply Kingdom impact in the city you serve.

Timestamps

00:00 – Introduction: When success metrics stop making sense

01:22 – The Sparks' background in real estate development

02:08 – Building a thriving Kingdom business

05:02 – When everything unexpectedly changed

05:30 – Praying for global impact and misunderstood expectations

06:46 – The difference between good ideas and God ideas

08:25 – Contracts fail, revenue dries up, and confusion begins

08:52 – Searching for answers: “Did we do something wrong?”

10:21 – Massive financial losses and business setbacks

11:47 – Discovering God in the valley, not just the mountaintop

13:13 – Watching others thrive while your business shrinks

14:14 – The painful reality of letting team members go

15:30 – Hitting rock bottom and rebuilding trust

16:57 – “Since when did I need your resources?”

17:24 – Obedience when the numbers don’t work

18:40 – Radical obedience and Kingdom thinking

20:49 – Recognizing you're in a God-led transition

22:15 – Holding onto the last thing God said

23:39 – Moving forward despite financial limitations

24:08 – Fear versus faith in uncertain seasons

25:15 – When God creates unexpected margin

27:52 – Revisiting old prophetic words and visions

29:10 – A new season begins to emerge

29:32 – God's surprising direction: build a studio

30:28 – Miraculous provision for what God called them to do

33:35 – Not an overnight breakthrough, but steady transformation

34:57 – Impacting ministries and organizations around the world

35:53 – Discovering what God has already provided

37:19 – Kingdom multiplication beyond money

38:47 – Redefining success through partnership with God

39:36 – Why community and Kingdom relationships matter

41:22– Prayer for leaders navigating uncertainty

42:57 – Final encouragement and invitation