In this episode of Hebrew Voices #241, Nick Fuentes & the Serpent Seed Doctrine, Nehemia is joined by Jake Hilton of The Sword of YHVH Ministries to examine a little-discussed political and religious movement gaining traction among America’s youth. Together, they explore its troubling parallels to interwar Germany and evaluate, through a biblical lens, the falsehoods it promotes.

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Nehemia: For years they said Trump is literally Hitler. That’s what…

Jake: Yeah, exactly, yeah.

Nehemia: …and they use those words: “literally Hitler”. And for years I was telling people, “This is a disaster, because one day we’re going to have a real Nazi and no one’s going to believe it anymore, or care, because you are the boy who cried wolf.” Guys, Nick Fuentes is the wolf.

Jake: Yeah.

Nehemia: Tell us about the wolf.

Jake: Yeah.

Nehemia: There’s a saying that all the optimists ended up at Auschwitz. And what that meant was that the pessimists fled. The optimists are like, “Yeah, this will pass over. It’ll be okay.” So, I have to be a pessimist. I can’t afford to be an optimist in a situation like this. And unfortunately, I think that Nick Fuentes is… there’s a chance he’s going to win, and we’ve got to speak out.

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Nehemia: Shalom, and welcome to Hebrew Voices. I’m here today with Jake Hilton. He’s a Christian Zionist pastor with the Sword of Yehovah Ministries. He also hosts a podcast called Into the Forge that covers news and teaches the Word of God. And you explained it to me that you talk about the problems and you offer solutions from Scripture. I love that, that’s very cool.

Jake: Well, yeah, it’s one of these things. First of all, wonderful to see you again, Nehemia. It’s been about a year-and-a-half since the last time I saw you and had a conversation with you, and that was back when I was working with A Rood Awakening International Ministries. We had a good conversation back then. But yeah, when it comes to Into the Forge, it is a new political channel. It’s something that I just started up only several months ago. And we have all of these podcasts and political commentators out there, and it’s one thing to focus on the problems in this very much so insane world, but what’s the point of focusing on the problems if we don’t actually offer solutions, like real solutions? And the ultimate solutions are always going to be the truth, the absolute truth, that we can learn from in the Word of God, the Holy Bible.

Nehemia: So, today’s topic that I asked you to join me to talk about… it’s very unusual for me, because I don’t deal with politics. And I also have a policy; I don’t deal with individual people. Meaning, like, I come from an academic background; there’s something that’s called an ad hominem attack. Ad hominem is when you attack the person instead of their ideas. And I want us to try to be very careful in today’s discussion. You can say whatever you want. I want to try to be very careful and make this…

So, we’re going to talk about Nick Fuentes. If you’ve never heard of Nick Fuentes, guys, pay attention. He’s been around for a while, but he’s really only broken through into, like, the mainstream, I think consciousness, awareness… Maybe you’ve never heard of him, but he is… I don’t even know where to begin. Why are we talking about an individual? This isn’t about attacking Nick Fuentes, but it’s about… for me, this is about why are his ideas being so widely received particularly in… well, like I said, I don’t know where to begin here. Who is Nick Fuentes? Can you tell us?

Jake: Well, I can certainly…

Nehemia: And guys, what’s important here isn’t who Nick Fuentes is, it’s about the ideas that he’s representing…

Jake: Yeah, it’s one thing to…

Nehemia: … that are being very widely received.

Jake: Yeah. It’s one thing to focus on the individual, and be like, “Yeah, Nick Fuentes; overall scumbag.” And yes, I don’t have a problem with saying that because that’s really what he is. And I also don’t have a problem with accurately identifying him as a Nazi, because he is a Nazi. It’s one thing to insult somebody and call them a Nazi, like the political left, you know, has been doing for many years now, labeling many people on the right as Nazis, incorrectly. Labeling President Donald Trump as literally Adolf Hitler, when, of course, he is not Adolf Hitler.

Nehemia: And I want, for those who haven’t followed, you know… I’ve been speaking more and more like to some young people, and here’s what I think is important. I think I’m a little bit older than you, but not that much. I’m Gen X; are you Gen X or are you a millennial?

Jake: Millennial.

Nehemia: You’re a millennial, okay. So, there’s a slight difference of age, but not much. When you talk to the young people, like 20, 25, and you talk to them about Trump… And look, I was… I remember when he came down the escalator. I’m sure you do too.

Jake: Absolutely.

Nehemia: Think about that. If you’re 20 today, you were nine years old, or 10 or 11 years old when that happened. You didn’t know what was going on. So, I think, if nothing else, I want people your age and my age to understand, this is not a small thing that’s happening with Nick Fuentes. He has millions and millions of followers, mostly young men, but not just. So, tell us who… who is Nick? So, I interrupted you. I’m Israeli and I’m autistic. Who is Nick Fuentes?

Jake: Yeah, no, no… Getting back to the left, and how they…

Nehemia: Yeah, so for years they said Trump is literally Hitler. That’s what…

Jake: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Nehemia: …and they use those words: “literally Hitler”. And for years I was telling people, “This is a disaster, because one day we’re going to have a real Nazi, and no one’s going to believe it anymore or care because you were the boy who cried wolf.” Guys, Nick Fuentes is the wolf.

Jake: Yeah.

Nehemia: Tell us about the wolf.

Jake: Yeah, it’s one of these things where if you’re crying wolf constantly, constantly, constantly, and you’re mis-identifying individuals, or you’re saying that individuals like President Trump is literally Adolf Hitler, or many people on the political right are literal Nazis, or they’re literal racists and bigots and homophobes and Islamophobes and all of that, right? Well, if you’re inaccurately identifying these types of people and you’re misrepresenting what these terms actually are and what they literally do mean, well, then ultimately you water down the literal meaning of these terms. These terms do have meaning, and they’re there for a reason. Language is important, and we have to retain the correct definitions of these terms. So, that when an Adolf Hitler, when a real Nazi, when a real racist, a genuine racist, a genuine bigot, a genuine sexist, misogynist… these people that are the definition of all those things that are in fact evil… when they come on the scene, we can actually go, “Yeah, that’s who this person is.”

And so, when I say that Nick Fuentes is a Nazi, that’s not me looking to insult the guy, that is me looking to properly identify him for who and what he is. It’s me looking to identify the wolf that is among us, that is currently devouring the sheep. A tremendous number of sheep, yes, from primarily the younger generation, primarily men. And that’s truly, truly concerning, because, as you just said, Nehemia, that he reaches millions of people, primarily young men, and it’s always the men of the rising generation that are the primary movers of the culture. They are the ones that are going to be the future leaders in the military, in politics, in industry, and they’re going to be the ones that determine the future of this nation and the future of the culture. And so, when you have somebody like Nick Fuentes, who is a literal Nazi again, and that’s not me…

Nehemia: But in fairness, he doesn’t…

Jake: … playing the game.

Nehemia: He doesn’t self-identify as a Nazi, though, right? In fairness. In other words, he says, “I don’t hate Jews,” and…

Jake: But at the same time, he praises Adolf Hitler.

Nehemia: He praises Adolf Hitler, but he says he’s not a Nazi. He does self-identify as a racist. He uses that word.

Jake: Yes, he does.

Nehemia: Although here’s one of the problems with Fuentes. He’ll say one thing on one program, and then on another program he’ll say something else, which is the opposite, and he’ll say, “Well, I was just exaggerating.” Yeah, so, he’s a complex figure. He’s actually worse than Hitler, and I know everybody’s been saying that for years about Trump, so nobody…

Guys, I want you to pay attention here. I want to do something dramatic. There was this website in… Well, actually, before that, I want to share a story. So, I was talking with a friend of mine here in the Dallas-Fort Worth area about Nick Fuentes, and he’s a Christian person. And he said, “You know, I’ve heard of this guy, but I don’t really know much. Let me ask around.” And he went to friends at two megachurches in the Dallas area. And he asked friends there, “What about this guy, Nick Fuentes? You know, is he having any influence? Do you know anything about him?” They said, “We’ve heard of him, but we don’t really know.” But then they came back to him a few days later and they said, a bunch of people said, “We asked our kids, and they all love him.” These are evangelical megachurches in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

So, this guy, you might think he’s not important. Who’s heard of him? Why are we talking about him? Who cares? Why is this worth your time? Like I said, I want to do something dramatic. There’s a website called The Historical Hebrew Newspapers. I’m going to share my screen here. And I did this a few years back, when the website came out. I was curious; when’s the first time anybody mentions Hitler in Hebrew literature or anything? Hebrew newspapers? And I looked on this website, and I found what I believe is the first reference to Hitler. And they have no idea who he is. So, that’s the significance here.

And actually, this is really interesting. Let’s go back to one of the other pages where I did the search for Hitler here. I’m basically recreating a search I did years ago. So, you type in Hitler. Oh, let’s take off the year 1920. Oh, now it wants to see if I’m human. All right, guys, this is kind of chilling. So, let’s do this. So, first we do the search for Hitler in the Hebrew newspapers. And this is a historical one, so it won’t necessarily have modern newspapers. But like, here it has… So, in Hebrew newspapers on the National Library of Israel website, we have 102,757 results. Okay. Now let’s go by year, right? So, now when we look at the year… oh, they even have things from 2020. I didn’t realize they had stuff that recent. But let’s look at 1900 to 1909, because nobody knew who Hitler was in 1900 to 1909. So, let’s see what that is; that’s interesting. We click on that…

Jake: You’re looking at four results, you know, from that time period.

Nehemia: Okay. So, here it’s the OCR made a mistake. It’s the word ha’sheled, not Hitler. So, there’s a bunch of words that are not Hitler. Right? So, it’s just the OCR made a mistake because the newspapers aren’t very well… you know, they’re not really high resolution. So, no. Hitler does not appear in 1900 to 1909, as far as I know, in the Hebrew… which you wouldn’t expect, right?

Jake: No. Right, exactly.

Nehemia: And then here, this is really interesting; 1910 to 1919. This one’s interesting. Here you have… no, there’s a bunch of words that are not Hitler. Right? So, again, it’s the OCR has made a mistake.

Jake: Yeah, I honestly wouldn’t expect it to start showing up until the 1920s.

Nehemia: Okay, here’s one from February 4th, 1921. It’s a list of different Jewish people. And there’s someone named Mordechai Hitler.

Jake: Okay.

Nehemia: No relation, no connection.

Jake: No relation, yeah, exactly.

Nehemia: The first reference to the actual Hitler in Hebrew newspapers, as far as I know, is January 4th, 1923. And it says, “Against the propaganda of the National Socialists in Germany.” And it says, “The People’s Party of Bavaria has issued an announcement in which it protests against the anti-Semitic propaganda of the National Socialist Party, which Dr. Hitler, who is known as the Mussolini of Bavaria, stands at its head.” So, this, as far as I know, is the first time that Hitler is mentioned in Hebrew newspapers. The actual Hitler. They don’t know who he is. They’re like, “Oh, he’s like the Mussolini of Germany.” Right? They know who Mussolini is. And Mussolini, by the way, as far as I know, wasn’t actually an anti-Semite to begin with. He even had Jews in the Fascist Party. And then…

Jake: Well, that’s actually how it is a lot of the times, you know, when you look at he who is genuinely anti-Semitic, the father of Protestantism, Martin Luther, he didn’t start out being an anti-Semite. You know, he didn’t start out hating the Jews. On the contrary, he started out loving the Jews. But then, when he went and tried to convert the Jews to his particular flavor of religion and Christianity, and the Jews rejected him, then he turned to hate the Jews. And then… continued…

Nehemia: I think in the case of Mussolini, his anti-Semitism was, or what there was of it was, you know, to appease Hitler, who was an ally.

Jake: No, that’s entirely possible. Yeah.

Nehemia: So, then it says, “The House of Representatives of Thuringia,” which is a neighboring state, I guess, of Bavaria, “has adopted a resolution demanding that the government,” meaning, I guess, the central government of Germany, “put an end to the propaganda of…” And they have it in quotations: “Ha’miflaga Ha’leumit Ha’sotzialistit”, “The National Socialist Party”. It’s in air quote, it’s in scare quotes, I think, the young people call it… because, like, nobody’s heard of this. They have no idea what this thing is. Guys, that’s what today is. Today…

Jake: Absolutely.

Nehemia: …is the first time many of you have heard the name Nick Fuentes. And I hope I’m wrong, but I think it’s going to be like what we’re seeing in this newspaper. Here’s what I think is probably going to happen. And this is me, like going off the reservation and making a… Oh, by the way. So, before that… then here’s one which is from February 26, 1923. So, it’s about a month later, and it says, “Who is Hitler?” And they’re quoting some German publication talking about… And they literally don’t know who he is. And there’s a story here, which is obviously confused, that he was blinded in the days of the revolution. Which I think is after World War I, which isn’t correct. Right? He was blinded in a gas attack by the Allies in World War I, right? So, they literally don’t know who he is, right?

But they mentioned the story of him being blinded, and they say that through the Holy Spirit came upon him. Right? This is how it’s being described, and this is incredible, on February 26th, 1923. Right? Meaning, they’re not saying they believe this, but this is the claim that’s being made, “That the Holy Spirit came upon him and his eyes were open, and he was able to see again.” And then, “He understood then,” imagine this, 1923. Nobody knows who this guy is outside a small group of fanatics. “He understood then,” when his vision returned, “that he was called to be the liberator of his people.” This is when this guy is a lone kook. It’s before the putch, right? There’s what’s called the Beer Hall Putsch. That was, I believe, in November. This is in February of that year, right? So, he’s on almost nobody’s radar. He’s starting to get on people’s radars.

Guys, pay attention here. Nick Fuentes in 2025 is Hitler in 1923. And what could happen? And I want you to talk…

Jake: If I may, Nehemia, I would say that that’s not even accurate. I would say that the Nick Fuentes from about five years ago was the Adolf Hitler from 1923. Because Nick Fuentes, he has been around for the last, about ten years, and he’s been gaining that fanatical following over the last decade. So, when it comes to a comparison, and yes, I do believe a very accurate comparison between Nick Fuentes of today and Adolf Hitler of the 1920s and 1930s, I would not say that Nick Fuentes is Adolf Hitler from 1923. Nick Fuentes is Adolf Hitler from about 1929, 1930. I mean, it’s getting into the late 1920s is really the time period that we’re looking at.

Nehemia: I hope you’re wrong.

Jake: And, you know what? I would hope that I’m wrong too. But the reality is, and I very much so appreciate you, you know, presenting that information, is that the first time that Adolf Hitler is being mentioned is back in 1923. Very few people know who he is. He’s only got a very, very small following at that time. But that is not accurate to who Nick Fuentes is.

Nehemia: Okay…

Jake: That would be accurate to Nick Fuentes five, six, seven years ago.

Nehemia: Wow.

Jake: Today, he already has millions of followers, when the reality is, Adolf Hitler in 1923, he didn’t have millions of followers.

Nehemia: No, he didn’t.

Jake: He was very, very small at that time. You get into the late 1920s, that’s a more accurate reflection of who Nick Fuentes is today.

Nehemia: Wow. So, now you’ve really made me nervous here. So, here’s what I think could happen. I want you to talk about this. You know, there’s a story in Exodus, because, like, for me, I always want to go back to the Bible. And I know you do, too.

Jake: Oh, absolutely.

Nehemia: Let’s open it up.

Jake: Let’s do it.

Nehemia: This should be Bible study, right? I mean, because Nick Fuentes is… I don’t want to spend time on this guy. But we… you know, we can ignore him at our peril.

Jake: Yeah, it’s one of these things that it’s like, it’s one thing to ignore the individual, or to talk about the individual, but as you said before, this is about properly identifying his ideas, his destructive ideas. His ideas that are straight from the pit of hell, that for those foolish enough to listen to his ideas and follow his ideas, it will not just lead them down into misery and an unfulfilled life, a hate-filled life, but ultimately, if they continue on that path, it’ll lead to their everlasting destruction. And the destruction of nations, the destruction of peoples, that, just like the Germans of the 1920s, late 20s getting into the 1930s, they followed this guy, Adolf Hitler, to not just their ruin individually, but the ruin of their nation.

Nehemia: All right. I want to look at Exodus… do you have a Bible there? Can you open up…

Jake: I do.

Nehemia: Exodus chapter 1, verse 8.

Jake: There. I got the Bible before me.

Nehemia: Some of you guys are gonna ask, “What on earth does this have to do with it, Nehemia?” Bear with me.

Jake: “Then a new king, to whom Joseph meant nothing, came to power in Egypt.”

Nehemia: All right, let me share my screen here. Look at the Hebrew. And… how do we get this thing to… So, this is on the mgketer website, which has a bunch of Rabbinical commentaries, and this is actually one of the most accurate texts of what’s called the Masoretic Text. So, it says, “And a new king rose up over Egypt, who did not know Joseph.” And then Rashi famously brings a debate from the Talmud between two rabbis named Rav and Shmuel, and it says, “One said he was actually new, and the other said his decrees were new, who did not know Joseph.” The commentary says, “he made himself as if he did not know him.”

So, what’s really going on there? Why is Rashi saying that? And Ibn Ezra responds, he’s like, “No, he was actually a new king. Don’t be stupid. Like, don’t add stuff to the text.” What’s going on there? What’s going on is that Joseph… how could you not know Joseph? Right?

Jake: Well, the idea that he couldn’t… that he didn’t know who Joseph was, he was clueless about Joseph, is…

Nehemia: Joseph was the viceroy over Egypt. Joseph…

Jake: Joseph saved Egypt!

Nehemia: It’s nonsense because you’re a millennial and I’m Gen X, that’s why it’s nonsense. And I didn’t understand this until I started talking to young people about ten years ago, and I would say something about the Soviet Union, and they had no idea. It would be like I was talking about the Austro-Hungarian Empire. It was some obscure thing from history they didn’t know. You and I lived through it. And this is important for understanding Nick Fuentes. When he says, “Hitler is really cool,” and people are like, “Hitler is one of the most evil men in history.”

Jake: Absolutely.

Nehemia: And I agree with that. I don’t think he necessarily believes this, but he can dupe his audience, and this is what he says, right? He says, “Well, you know, that’s like a figure from history.” And it’d be like if you said, “I really think,” you know, “Genghis Khan is amazing.” Genghis Khan murdered millions of people. They would go to a city…

Jake: Genghis Khan was a…

Nehemia: He was really, really evil.

Jake: A really evil tyrant, yeah, and a conqueror.

Nehemia: Right, but there are people who admire him because he was a great conqueror, and… right? So, this is me now trying to attribute, you know, motives to people, which is really dangerous, right? So, take it with a grain of salt. I don’t think Fuentes believes that he’s just a figure from history, I think Fuentes is a real anti-Semite… well, Fuentes is definitely a real anti-Semite…

Jake: Absolutely.

Nehemia: And I think he really loves and admires Hitler and wants to implement his stuff. But when he’s trying to present it to the young audience, he’s like, “Oh, he’s really cool. Look at those uniforms. Look at the Munich marches, or the Nuremberg rallies. It’s cool.” You know, look, it’s like how African Americans will use the N-word, and you ask them like, “That’s a disgusting word. Why are you using that?” “Well, we’re trying to neutralize it,” is what some of them will say. “In other words, if we use it over and over, you can’t use it. But if we use it, it strips it of its power.” And I think that’s what he’s trying to do. He’s trying to, and I hate this term, but it’s what the young people say, he’s trying to normalize Hitler by saying, “Yeah, Hitler was cool. Why are we denying this?” And we say, “Wait a minute…”

Jake: Well, normalization…

Nehemia: Look, so this is why this passage in Exodus 1:8 is important, because there’s a young generation that… Look, when I was growing up, and when you were growing up, there were a lot of people alive who had fought against Hitler and their families had been massacred against Hitler. It’s something from history now. That’s what it is to somebody who’s 20 years old. So, go ahead, talk about normalization.

Jake: Well, normalization of evil is one of the first steps towards the acceptance of evil, and then ultimately the celebration of evil. If people are successful, if wicked people are successful, in “normalizing evil” and getting enough of the population to accept that “normalization of the evil,” okay, well, it doesn’t stop there. The next step beyond that is acceptance of that evil. And the next step beyond that is participation in that evil. The next step beyond that is the celebration and the exaltation of that evil, which is exactly what we’ve seen on the political left. It’s what we’re seeing now on the far right.

They seek to first normalize the evil. They seek to get enough people to accept that the evil ideologies and positions of an individual like Adolf Hitler, “Well, that’s just… that’s normal and that’s okay, and it’s okay to have these positions and to hold these views.” And then, the next step beyond that, you get enough people… And this is, getting back to Nick Fuentes being an accurate parallel to Adolf Hitler, not in 1923, but more in like the late 1920s, he already has millions of followers from that younger generation. Primarily male, as you said before, that the evangelical Christian parents, they had never heard of Nick Fuentes, but they go and they ask…

Nehemia: Well, they’d vaguely have heard of him…

Jake: And go and ask their kids…

Nehemia: They didn’t realize their kids are disciples. And they…

Jake: Yeah, exactly. They go and ask their kids, and they’re like, “Yeah, we love Nick Fuentes. We love the guy.” And it’s like, “Are you kidding me?” So, Nick Fuentes already has a strong following of the young male generation that has normalized the evil of Adolf Hitler. They’re already beyond the normalization of the evil of Adolf Hitler. They are right now on that next step to participate in that evil and get more people to participate in that evil. And then it’s the celebration… and then it’s the acceptance and then it’s celebration and exaltation of that evil. This is the process.

We’re not just looking at Nick Fuentes, and we’re not just looking at, you know, other individuals on the right that are incredibly dangerous, like Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens and many others that are seeking to normalize, you know, evil, evil behaviors. What they’re ultimately doing is the same type of evil and the same type of sin that we can see at the Fall of Man in Genesis chapter 3, reaching out to take the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is this idea, it’s this image, of mankind; you, me, all of us, you know, human beings, reaching out to take that authority to ourselves that we get to determine what’s right and what’s wrong. We get to determine what’s good and what’s evil, what’s light and what’s darkness, what’s righteousness and what’s wickedness.

And what God says to Adam and Eve from the very beginning is, “Do not take the fruit, that forbidden fruit, of that forbidden tree, because in the day you do, you will die.” There is a consequence for mankind, thinking in our arrogance, our supreme arrogance, that we can reach out to take that authority to ourselves. When the reality is, God and God alone has that authority. God and God alone is the arbiter of morality and truth. He is the source of these things. And so, when God tells us, yes, from His Torah, from the instructions, that this kind of behavior is good, right, true and holy, and this kind of behavior is abominable and wicked and perverse, and will bring curses and consequences and destruction upon you, a self-governing religious moral people will go, “Okay, God’s God, I’m not. And He’s told me I need to do these things if I want to have life, and I’m going to avoid all of these things, because I don’t want to have death.”

Individuals like Nick Fuentes reaching that audience of millions of young adult males, primarily, he is… he is a serpent slithering into the garden, if you will, to entice and encourage that audience to take that forbidden fruit, to redefine what good is and what evil is. And ultimately, just as it says in Isaiah chapter 5 verse 20, “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put light for darkness, darkness for light, sweet for bitter and bitter for sweet.” Nick Fuentes, and all of those like him, this is what they seek to do. Those things that are actually good, those things that are actually by the authority of God’s word, that are good and right and true, they seek to make those things evil and wrong, and those things that are evil and wrong, they seek to make those things good.

Nehemia: So, to circle back to Exodus 1:8, the reason… and I want the audience to understand this, because it was really hard for me to understand what’s going on here. When somebody comes and openly says that he’s a racist and he literally says, “The Jews control the world,” there’s a famous clip going around, and you played it on your program, we’ll paraphrase it, because it’s quite vulgar. He says, “The Jews control society. Women have to shut the F up. And blacks,” he says, “for the most part, should be put in prison.”

Jake: Yes.

Nehemia: And I hear that, and I’m like, “Game over. Why is anybody still listening to him?” I don’t understand. Why is this even a conversation? And here’s what I want anybody over the age of 25 or 30 to understand; a new king has come over Egypt. He literally has never even heard of Joseph. Joseph, if he’s heard of him, is some figure from history. He doesn’t care about him. He doesn’t really even know about him, and you having this visceral reaction, this gut reaction to like, he just said, “Jews control society,” and you’re talking about how world Jewry is controlling things.

And one of his accusations is that every Jew has dual loyalty. That Jews should be expelled from the United States because they’re loyal to Israel, not America. And that’s a very complicated question we can talk about; maybe we should. But I hear this, and I’m like, “Well, I mean, he’s just undermined himself by saying that.” But no, we have a new king over Egypt. We have a new generation that’s risen up, and they hear these things, and they’re like, “Some of that kind of makes sense,” you know…

And look, this is what I was saying for years. I was saying this to every liberal I know, or leftist, not liberal. I was saying, “If you demonize men,” right? You talk about toxic masculinity, which is really just masculinity. It’s the way God created men. Now, it could be put in an evil way, right? But, you know, it’s like that line in the movie, “You need me on that wall. You want me on that wall.” Yes, I do. We need the people on that wall to defend us. You can go look what happened. I mean, again, young people have no idea what I’m talking about. But I remember in 2015 when ISIS took over northern Iraq and they were selling young Yazidi women in the marketplace as sex slaves. And they were literally in cages being sold as sex slaves. You need someone to stop that. And that’s men.

Jake: Yes.

Nehemia: That is masculinity. And maybe some women can do that as well; probably they can do it better than me, right? But ultimately that’s a masculine trait. That’s just the reality of the world, and we do need them on that wall. We want them on that wall. So, when you demonize men for an entire generation and you call them, you know, and you talk about toxic masculinity. And you say you should feel ashamed for having these innate masculine traits; this was the predictable response, right? I’ve been saying this for years, that there’s going to be a generation, it’s going to be an extreme response to the right. And that extreme response to the right, it never ends well for the Jews. And predictably, here we have Nick Fuentes saying the Jews run society, they control society, and what he’ll do is, he’ll mix it in with some truths.

Okay, you have very influential Jews, some of whom are evil, right? You have an evil person like George Soros, legitimately an evil human being, who literally sold-out Jews during the Holocaust, right? He’s old enough to where he went around in Hungary, if I remember correctly, identifying Jewish property to turn it over to the Nazis, something like that. Guys, you can look it up. I might be getting some of the details wrong. But this is an evil human being, right, who’s Jewish.

And then you point to that and you’re like, “Okay, why is it that Jews, there’s 15 million, maybe 20 million Jews in the world,” depending who’s counting, right? There’s about 5 million that maybe the Orthodox wouldn’t consider Jewish, but the Reform would. So, let’s call it 15 or 20 million Jews. I heard the statistics that every three months, as many Muslims are born as there are Jews in the world. So, how is it that you have Jews having so much influence, right? That’s kind of like what he’ll throw out there, and then he sees some of that as negative influence. And he hates Israel, he hates the Jews; he says he doesn’t, but he clearly does the way he talks.

Jake: Yeah.

Nehemia: And we have a new king over Egypt, where the young generation just doesn’t remember how dangerous and evil that is. And they’re like, “Okay, that kind of makes sense.” And look, he’ll bring up some things that have some truths in them, right? Meaning, like, we had… I mean, yeah. So, this is what evil does; it mixes in truth with the lies. Can you talk about that?

Jake: Yeah, absolutely. It’s that, it needs to be stated that, you know, Nick Fuentes, you know, this adult man, I want to say he’s now 27, possibly 28 years old. He’s very intelligent.

Nehemia: Oh, he’s absolutely brilliant…

Jake: He’s very, very intelligent.

Nehemia: I’m going to interrupt you. He’s much more dangerous than Hitler, because Hitler was kind of a lunatic, right? Meaning, if you look at the actual decisions Hitler made, some of them were very successful, but they were reckless, because he was kind of nuts, and it happened to work out. But then he made the same kind of decisions, like at Stalingrad, and it didn’t work out, and it was a disaster, right?

Jake: Oh, yeah, like, a lot of the decisions that he was making in the war, you know, were just the stupidest things ever.

Nehemia: Right.

Jake: And his strategies were so bad in many cases that…

Nehemia: But they sometimes worked. They sometimes worked, but they ultimately cost him the war. Nick Fuentes is, I think, a lot more intelligent than Hitler. That’s what makes him even more dangerous.

Jake: Yeah. And Nick Fuentes being very, very intelligent, he’s got a very high IQ, and he also has a tremendous amount of charisma. He uses these things that are from God, like God, you know, has blessed him with intelligence and blessed him, you know, with charisma. And we are called to use these things for the truth. We’re called to use these things, these gifts and talents and blessings from God, for that which is good, right, true, and holy. Nick Fuentes… and yes, this is absolutely attributing motive to him, because I can look at his fruits, you know? I mean, this is what Jesus Christ, in the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew chapter 7, you know, says, “This is how you can identify those that are false among you, those that are wolves in sheep’s clothing. You will know them by their fruits.”

And so, it’s like, okay, I look at the individual. I look at his words. I look at his actions. I look at those actions and behaviors and words of those that are his followers, and the fruit is rotten. It’s a bad tree producing incredibly dangerous, rotten fruit. But Nick Fuentes, being as intelligent as he is, with the charisma that he has, he is successful at duping and deceiving a tremendous number of these young adult males. He is one that, like, and I’m going to… I personally refer to Nick Fuentes as Little Nazi Nicky. And I do that for a reason, because yes, I am accurately identifying him for what he is; he is a Nazi. And then I also call him Little Nicky, because if we all remember that horrible, stupid Adam Sandler movie from years ago called Little Nicky…

Nehemia: I don’t know what you’re talking about…

Jake: …it’s a really dumb movie, not worth your time. But here’s the point; Adam Sandler, in that movie, Little Nicky, he plays the role of the son of Satan. Because Satan, one of Satan’s…

Nehemia: You have Old Nick, and so, “Little Nick” is from Old Nick or something…

Jake: That’s right, exactly. You know, Old Nick, you know, Satan, and so, you get Little Nick, or Little Nicky, is the son of Satan. And so, here we have Nicholas Fuentes, you know, Nick, Little Nicky, and he is, you know, he’s just a, you know, pathetic little guy. Little Nicky, Little Nazi Nicky is who he is. Very, very intelligent, and he, like his spiritual father, the devil, who is the father of all lies, who is also extraordinarily intelligent, you know, very, very crafty, very cunning, he will very, very rarely seek to deceive his audience with blatant one hundred percent lies.

Now does he do that sometimes? Okay, yes, sometimes. But generally speaking, Nick Fuentes, and those like him, they don’t lie blatantly, one hundred percent, you know, pitch black lies to their audience. What they’ll do is, they will mingle facts and evidence and truth with the lies, with the poison, and that is a far more effective way at deceiving people. And so, it’s like… you know, this is an analogy that you know, I’ve used, you know, many times in the past. I call it the rat poison analogy. When you have rat poison, and this is the edible version of rat poison, you put it out for the rats, and they come and they eat that poison, and then they die, obviously. And one would think it’s like, “Well, why are the rats even eating it? It’s poison.” Well, when you look at the ingredients of rat poison, it turns out that about 98 to 99 percent of the ingredients are totally harmless, and even good food for the rat. So, they’re obviously attracted to it. They want to eat it. It only has about one to two percent of the poison that kills them.

Nehemia: Mm-hmm.

Jake: And so, Nick Fuentes, and I’m not even going to say that Nick Fuentes presents 98 percent truth. He doesn’t present 98% truth, but you can see the analogy. He’ll present some good food, some truth, but then he’s going to mix in that poison with the good food, which is destructive to the soul. And I would ask, it’s like, okay, if I were to present you… you know… I got this bottle of water here, okay? If I were to present you, Nehemia Gordon, with this bottle of water, and you knew that before I gave it to you, I had had a little dropper of poison, just a few drops of poison in there, and I said, “Hey, drink it up Nehemia.” Would you even think about drinking it, if you knew what was in it? I mean, it’s like 99, 98 percent pure water, but it’s got a few drops of poison in it. Would you even think to drink it?

Nehemia: No. You know, here’s what I found. Look, like, I probably have heard of him years ago. I didn’t know who he was. He did this big… and you did a whole four-hour… guys, we’ll put a link in the show notes, you did a four-hour review of this interview he did with Piers Morgan, and that’s where I became aware of him. And then he did an interview with Tucker Carlson, and he did one with Steven Crowder.

Jake: What we’re talking about today, ultimately, the biggest reason why Nick Fuentes is in the mainstream today…

Nehemia: Yeah.

Jake: … is because of Tucker Carlson.

Nehemia: That’s probably correct.

Jake: That is why, yeah.

Nehemia: And look, what he was doing is, he was personally attacking Tucker, and Tucker wanted to kind of like bury the hatchet with him. And so, he had him on the program, gave him a really softball interview. Piers did not give him a softball interview. He confronted Nick with… because Nick could talk for hours and he sounds completely reasonable and rational. And then he starts ranting and raving about the Jews and the blacks and women and… right? But he can go for hours and not do that. And if you don’t confront him on those things, he’s like, “Oh yeah, I’m just a little concerned. I’m concerned about immigration and…” and you’re like, “Okay.” “I’m concerned about crime.” I mean, those seem like…

Jake: Like, I’m concerned about illegal immigration too.

Nehemia: Whatever your policy is…

Jake: Yeah.

Nehemia: …those aren’t unreasonable positions, right? But, you know, so he can… So, I watched about 20 hours of him after I saw the… I don’t remember what I saw first, if it was the Tucker or the Piers Morgan interview. It was probably Piers Morgan. And literally, he can go for hours, and, like, he sounds really reasonable on the Steven Crowder program. And Steven doesn’t challenge him at all, which I don’t understand. Meaning, like… Yeah, so…

Jake: It’s the same thing, you know? Tucker Carlson really just mainstreamed and fluffed up Nick Fuentes, even when Nick Fuentes… and you’re going to know this because you saw the interview, Nick Fuentes, during that interview with Tucker Carlson, literally said that he’s always been a fan of Joseph Stalin. Joseph Stalin!

Nehemia: But the way he explains that is that it’s just some figure in history, like Genghis Khan, right? Meaning…

Jake: Yeah, but… and Tucker Carlson’s response, who… Tucker Carlson has stated in the past that Joseph Stalin was likely one of the most, if not the most evil figures of human history. And I would agree with that. You know, Joseph Stalin was extraordinarily evil, you know, just one of these Adolf Hitler, Genghis Khan types. He was a conqueror, and he was absolutely evil, he was pure evil, and Nick Fuentes said he’s always been a fan of Joseph Stalin. Tucker Carlson asked, he’s like, “So, you’re a fan of Joseph Stalin?” He’s like, “Yeah, always been a fan.”

Nehemia: Look, when my wife and I went to Las Vegas…

Jake: He doesn’t pursue it at all! He’s just like, “Oh, okay, all right, sure.”

Nehemia: My wife and I went to Las Vegas for a conference, and we were staying at this hotel. I don’t remember what it was called. But it had a bust of Hadrian there. And I see Hadrian, and for me, Hadrian’s like Hitler. Hadrian is the one that murdered over a million Jews… well, “murdered;” he fought a war. But part of the war was, he said, “I don’t want to ever have a war against the Jews again,” because this is now the third one, and so he wiped out every man, woman and child in over a thousand villages. That’s what the Roman historians tell us. And he depopulated Judea, and then he renamed it Palestina.

So, I see Hadrian, and Hadrian to me is Hitler. So, why is he in the… and somebody in the comments can tell us the name of this hotel, I don’t remember what it was called; why is he in the lobby of a hotel? Because, you know, Rome is kind of cool, and it’s powerful, and… right? And that is at least what… I don’t believe him, but that’s what Fuentes is claiming is his approach to Hitler and Stalin. And some of the audience believes him. The young men who are like, “Yeah, you know what? Hadrian is kind of cool, and so, is Hitler.” But that’s a new king over Egypt, right? They didn’t grow up like we did with… even if you’re not Jewish. Like, wait a minute. I’m sure somebody in your family fought against the Nazis or…

Jake: My grandfather fought in World War II, yeah.

Nehemia: Okay, and I have a… I don’t remember if he was a cousin or something, who was… well, my grandfather fought in World War II as well. But I have a cousin who was actually a general. I don’t know if he was a general during World War II, but… Meaning, it’s like, they were the enemy, how can you say that they’re cool? “Okay, but that’s some kind of thing from history.”

It’s like saying, “Well, Napoleon is cool.” Yeah. And look, Napoleon actually did some good things, and I don’t think he is Hitler. But there are figures in history that… that’s the significance of “a new king arose over Egypt”. For the 20-year-olds, this is like, “Why are you getting all worked up about something from history? It doesn’t make any sense. You must have some agenda. Oh, it’s the Jewish agenda to control us.” Right? That’s how he presents it. Why are these old people, anybody older than 27, getting worked up about the Holocaust, right? It’s some kind of thing from history, right?

Jake: And many of this same audience that follows Nick Fuentes, they are full-on Holocaust deniers.

Nehemia: Yeah.

Jake: Many of them don’t even believe it happened. Or, if it did happen at all, it wasn’t intentional. Adolf Hitler and the Nazis, they didn’t have some, you know, plan to actually exterminate the Jews. And there’s no real evidence for, you know, the 6 million figure of Jews. And it’s like, all of that is a lie. And anyone with even a basic knowledge of World War II and the Nazis, and the propaganda that was being spewed by Adolf Hitler and individuals like Joseph Goebbels of the 1930s and 20s, you know exactly that it was their plan. It was their plan from the beginning to wipe out the Jews, ultimately to destroy the Jews.

And you have these people that will… of all of the genocides of human history, the Holocaust of World War II is far and away the most documented and well understood, from both Jewish perspectives and the Allies’ perspectives. And even from the Nazis’ perspectives, as they themselves openly admit, like in the Nuremberg trials, you know, for example. And then even in their own documents before the trials, that this is what they wanted. They were seeking to annihilate the Jews. Adolf Hitler wanted to build a museum in Berlin, Germany, that was going to be called the Museum of the Extinct Race. And of course, you know, Nehemia, you know this, you know this history. And for these young men that are so duped and so deceived by this very charismatic, very intelligent and, yes, evil man, Nick Fuentes, into believing that the Holocaust never happened or it wasn’t intentional, or all of these things, these are the preludes to another Holocaust happening.

And I praise God every single day that the nation of Israel exists. Because this kind of new generation, you know, getting to this, you know, idea that you presented about Exodus chapter 1, verse 8 with this new king, you know, rising up, and this new generation rising up, this new generation of anti-Semitism and hatred for the Jews that we see clearly from the Islamists, we see from the political left, and now we are seeing being exalted on the far right, the political right, all of this hatred that we’re seeing towards Israel and the Jews is the very proof for the necessity of the existence of Israel. That the Jews and Israel, they have the ability to now defend themselves and to fight back against those that would seek their annihilation. And individuals like Nick Fuentes… You give individuals like Nick Fuentes the political power to do it, and he absolutely would, and that’s what’s so terrifying about Nick.

Nehemia: I agree with that. You know….

Jake: You exalt Nick Fuentes into a position of political power and authority, and to think that he wouldn’t do what Adolf Hitler sought to do, is…

Nehemia: Well, so…

Jake: …you are delusional to think such a thing.

Nehemia: When I saw the Yazidi genocide in 2015, and if you don’t know what that is, guys, look it up; it was when the Islamic State conquered a region of northern Iraq, and there was this group that they said, “Well, those guys are idolaters. We should kill them all and take their women as sex slaves.” I remember thinking, and I said this; I did a program about it and I said, “Every person in the world, every head of a household in the world needs to have either an AR-15 or an AK-47 or the equivalent. It’s irresponsible not to.”

Jake: Yes.

Nehemia: And if you’re in a country where that’s illegal, well, I’m not speaking to you. You should probably move to a different country or change the laws in your country. If every Yazidi household, head of household, had an AR-15 or an AK-47, it would have been a whole different thing when the Islamic State arrived in town. They would have gone down fighting or they wouldn’t have gone… You know, the Islamic State would have thought twice and said, “We’re going to go to the next village.”

I thank Yehovah, as an American citizen, that I have the right to bear arms. And everyone hearing this program who has the ability, needs to go today to your local gun store, if you’re allowed to, and legally buy a firearm, because it’s not unrealistic that someone like Nick Fuentes will take power. And he doesn’t even need to take power. What he can do is, if he only has 10 percent of the Republican Party, when they go to elect… what do you call that before you do the election? The primaries… when they go to primary a candidate, it’s enough to have 5 or 10 percent of the people behind you, and you can shift who gets control in the primary.

And look, for years I would talk to my Jewish friends who were leftists and I would say, “How can you support the Democratic Party? They’re evil. They’re anti-Semites. We have nothing like that in the Republican Party. In the Republican Party, everybody I talked to, they love Israel. They love Jews.” I can no longer say that.

Jake: Right.

Nehemia: And that’s a really scary thing to me.

Jake: It’s incredibly scary.

Nehemia: The level of influence he has is, is shocking. So, go out and buy a gun today. Be responsible with it, learn how to use it, but if you can legally, you need to go out. You owe it to yourself. Get a lot of ammo too, because they might make that illegal. The next president might be a Democrat, and then maybe they’ll make that illegal.

Jake: God forbid. I mean, we know that the Democrats are… they’re gearing up to have Gavin Newsom, you know, governor of California, who has destroyed that state, they’re gearing up to have him be their presidential nominee, you know, Democrat nominee of 2028, which is horrifying. It’s absolutely terrifying.

And that’s another real danger of these fanatics on the far right, and those with them, is, they serve another purpose for strengthening the position of the Democrat Party and the leftists. So, the leftists, for years, have been saying, “Look, you guys are on the right. You’re all Nazis, you’re all bigots, you’re all sexists,” you’re all these things. Which, the reality is, they’ve been misusing these terms and misidentifying individuals.

But then you get somebody like Nick Fuentes, who is these things, you know. I mean that. And this is, if I may, like, this is one of the grave, grave errors and mistakes of those that follow Nick Fuentes is, they say, “When you call me a racist, that doesn’t mean anything.” And it’s like the reality is, racist does have a meaning, it does have a term, you know. It is a term that has a definition that does mean something. And if you are that thing, that is not a good thing.

Nehemia: From a Torah perspective, why is it bad to be a racist?

Jake: Well, I’ll answer that question, you know, when I finish this thought, if I may. So, you know, hang on to that question now. Why is it bad to be racist? Okay. So, you got the left, they’ve been using these terms for years, and they’ve watered these terms down, when the reality is, they still very much so exist, and many of these followers of Nick Fuentes are these things.

But when a Nick Fuentes and those with him rise up, who are actually these things, they give power to the left, because it strengthens their position and says, “Look, all we have to do is point the finger at somebody like Nick Fuentes, who is on the far right, and say, ‘What we have been saying about the whole of the right is true because look at this individual, Nick Fuentes. We’ve been saying that the right are a bunch of Nazis and racists, and look, here’s an example of a Nazi and a racist.’”

Well, that’s a strong enough argument for many of the people in the middle, you know, in like the seven swing states of the United States, you know, the centrists, the moderates, you know, the classic liberals, you know, the classic liberals, to be swayed by such an argument so that they’re going to, in the next election cycle, midterms coming up right here in 2026, and then the presidential election of 2028, instead of voting for a Republican candidate, they’re going to vote for the Democrat candidate. Which, in this case will very likely be Gavin Newsom, who would be very effective at destroying this nation, like totally destroying it and…

Nehemia: Look, and for a lot of people, they don’t have to say… Look, because I don’t, I couldn’t vote for someone who, you know, like Gavin Newsom, who’s an anti-Semite and anti-Israel. I just wouldn’t vote. Right? If it was a choice between a Groyper, which is the name for the people who follow Nick Fuentes, or somebody who wants to destroy this country, I just wouldn’t vote. And a lot of people would just stay home, and that’s enough to get us…

Jake: That’s absolutely enough, yeah.

Nehemia: Think how scary that is. That’s a really big problem.

Jake: President Trump was able to win, praise God, you know, in 2024, because enough people were brought out of this slump of, “Hey, I don’t want to be put in a position where I have to choose the ‘lesser of two evils’”. And it’s like, no, President Trump showed, through his actions and his words and his, you know, just the history, you know, a provable history and a track record, that he is not just a good president, he’s a wonderful president. He’s a great president. He was able to bring enough people under his tent, you know, in that coalition, to win… He didn’t just win the Electoral College, he won the popular vote, which is the first Republican to win the popular vote in, from what I understand, decades.

And we get the legislative branch of government. We get… now have the executive branch. We also have the judicial. But you get somebody like Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens on the right doing the evil that they’re doing, it only serves to divide and weaken the position of the political right, which then gives strength to the crazies of the left, you know, the Democrat Party, to then win the upcoming midterms and then win the 2028 presidential election. To which I say, of course, God forbid! Like, God forbid. Of course.

I do not want the Democrat Party in their current state of lunacy and immorality and perversions to ever take control of the Senate or the House, or certainly the presidency. But they will if we continue on this course of normalizing, and then accepting, and then celebrating that which is evil. And ultimately, for those that saw Ben Shapiro’s amazing speech at AMFEST 2025, just a week ago now… well, a week ago from when this is being recorded, okay? So, from when…

Nehemia: Guys, we’re recording this on December 25th, 2025.

Jake: That’s right. You know…

Nehemia: …because I don’t celebrate Christmas, and I understand you don’t either. And so, we’re available.

Jake: Yeah, right, so, it’s like a week ago from when this was being recorded, we had Ben Shapiro at AMFEST 2025, the Turning Point USA event, where his speech was phenomenal. His speech was fantastic. And what he’s doing is drawing very clear ideological boundaries and borders that, just as a nation without borders is not a nation, an ideological movement without ideological boundaries is not a movement at all. And I believe that, you know, Ben Shapiro’s speech not only was easily the greatest and most needed and most courageous speech there at AMFEST 2025, I would say that it’s the greatest speech that we’ve heard in the Trump era, you know, the conservative era. I mean, it will go down in history.

Nehemia: It was definitely a very brave speech, and…

Jake: It was extraordinarily brave.

Nehemia: …and I unfortunately think, or I wouldn’t be doing this program, I don’t think Ben’s going to win. I think… and this is me being a pessimist, having lived long enough to be a pessimist.

Jake: I wouldn’t say that you’re a pessimist, I would say that you’re probably more of a realist with this position.

Nehemia: Well, there’s a saying that all the optimists ended up at Auschwitz. And what that meant was that the pessimists fled. The optimists are like, “Yeah, this’ll pass over. It’ll be okay.” So, I have to be a pessimist. I can’t afford to be an optimist in a situation like this. And unfortunately, I think that Nick Fuentes is… there’s a chance he’s going to win, and we’ve got to speak out.

And I want to focus now more, like, biblically, and there’s three things that we talked about before the program; why is racism bad, from a Tanakh perspective, from a Torah perspective?

Jake: Of course.

Nehemia: Why is hating Israel and Jews a heresy? And the serpent seed doctrine. Nick Fuentes, and the Groypers, his followers… You know, when he was accused of being a racist by Piers Morgan, he said, “Yeah, sure, okay. I’m a racist.”

Jake: Oh, he said, “Yeah, I own that. Yeah, yeah, I’m a racist.”

Nehemia: And often he’ll say, well, “I’m a racialist. I’m not a racist.” But why is it bad to be racist, from a Scripture perspective? Let’s say it that way.

Jake: From a biblical perspective…

Nehemia: Yeah.

Jake: …quite simply, it is bad to be a racist. Which… let’s define our terms here, because, let’s not be found guilty of, like the political left, just throwing these terms out without an actual, you know, proper definition. A racist is simply somebody that you will judge another human being solely based on their skin color, solely on their ethnicity. You see somebody with, you know… you’re Caucasian, you know, light skinned, and you see somebody who’s got, you know, brown skin, you know, because he’s from India, or you see somebody with, you know, dark, you know, brown to black skin, you know, because he’s from Africa, and you’re judging that person solely on that basis. You care about skin color; you’re obsessed with skin color. You somehow think that some people are less than, or some people are better than, solely based on skin color or ethnicity. You’re a racist. I mean, that’s what it is. And if you are like Nick Fuentes, and many of these people, you know, that, yes, follow him, the Groyper movement, if you are obsessed over these things and, getting to that biblical perspective, you’re judging other human beings solely on this outer covering, you know, it’s like, that’s evil. That’s the… that is absolutely evil.

And it’s something that we learn from the prophet Samuel. God Almighty, speaking to the prophet Samuel at the time that Samuel is called by God to anoint the future king of Israel. Okay, well, he’s there with Jesse, and then he brings in his, you know, sons. At that time, it was seven sons, because his eighth son, his youngest, David, was out, you know, shepherding the flock. And he sees the oldest son of Jesse, and Samuel is just like this, “This is the guy, right? This is the guy.” Now, Samuel, in that case, is not being a racist because, I mean, he belongs to the same, you know, group of people. You know, he’s, you know, in Israel, he just is, you know, the oldest son of Jesse. He’s of course Israelite. But he’s still making that judgment solely based on the outward that he sees with the oldest son of Jesse. And this is where we see that truth spoken of by God Almighty to the prophet Samuel, that, “No, no, no, no, don’t look at the outward. You see, it’s mankind that looks on the outward, but I don’t do that.” The God of Israel, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, He doesn’t look on the outward and judge based on the outward. He looks on the heart. He judges on the heart. He looks on the inward.

And that is the truth that’s spoken of, yes, of course, you know from the Hebrew Scriptures, the Old Testament, but it’s the same truth that’s spoken of in the New Testament, is that, for those who fear God and work righteousness, as the Apostle Peter says in Acts chapter 10, then they are accepted by God. Okay? I mean, if you fear God in that you honor God and you work righteousness in this world, you are obedient to God’s commandments, you are doing the will of the Father in this world, well, God doesn’t care if you’re a blood lined-right-back-to-Abraham-Isaac-and-Jacob Jew, or you’re a German, or a Canadian or American or Brazilian or Chinese… You are accepted by God because in this world you are working righteousness. You are doing the will of God. God doesn’t judge individuals based on the outward. He judges on the heart. He judges on… we have the Civil Rights Movement, and we had, of course, you know, the great speech from Martin Luther King Jr., “I have a dream”. You know, “I have a dream that one day my four little children won’t be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.”

Nehemia: Amen.

Jake: And that’s who we need to be. We need to be that people. If we are a biblical people…

Nehemia: Why from a biblical perspective? I mean, so, you say God judges people based on… I’m going to offer my explanation…

Jake: Please, yes.

Nehemia: …and you can tell me if you agree or disagree. So, we’re told, and this is actually a central principle of a Torah view… You know, they say the fish doesn’t know about the water because it’s in the water, and I’ve seen, like, interviews with, like, there was like a minister in the government of Sweden, and they asked her about, you know, about, they had a program to appreciate the culture of the immigrants. And they said, “What about Swedish culture?” She’s like, “Swedish culture? What is that? It’s not even a thing.”

So, somebody who’s immersed in something doesn’t realize what their own culture is sometimes. And a foundation of Western culture is this idea in the Torah that every human being is made in the image of God. We say in the Torah, be’tzelem Elohim, in the image of God. It doesn’t mean that God has, you know, a nose and ears, right?

Jake: Of course not.

Nehemia: That’s not what it means in Genesis. It means that we are sentient, intelligent human beings, as opposed to animals, which, you know, they kind of just act based on instinct. And so, because we’re made in the image of God, if you talk about other human beings because of their race as being less than you, you’re denying the central message of the Torah, which is that all human life has value because we’re made in the image of God. That’s how I look at it.

Jake: Of course.

Nehemia: Now, there was this story of the Tower of Babel, where God mixed up the nations, and scattered the nations, rather, and gave them each languages. And so, you could look at that and say, “Okay, there are, within the Torah system, you know, in Genesis 10, there’s 70 nations.” Right? Now, there’s a lot more than 70, right?

Jake: Right.

Nehemia: And you could say, “Well, God created that.” Okay. And look, if you want to look from a secular perspective, you could say, you know, “Our ancestors were hunter gatherers.” That’s what we’re told. I don’t know that my ancestors were hunter gatherers, but that’s the claim. And so, we’re tribal, right? And we are tribal; that’s a hundred percent true. Is it bad to be tribal? I don’t think it’s bad to be tribal. I think it’s bad not to be loyal to your tribe. The question is, what’s your tribe? If you’re an ethnic Croat who lives in Croatia, you should be loyal to the Croat country. You shouldn’t hate people from other countries, but you should be loyal to Croatia.

And here’s where America is unique. America is a, you know, it’s been called a creedal society, a creedal country, right? What we have is the US Constitution. And I grew up understanding that the founding fathers of America were my founding fathers of my country, even though I didn’t have a single ancestor in America before, probably, 1880. But still, for me, George Washington was my ancestor, right? So, there’s something unique about America. And we have a parallel in Judaism, right, or in the Torah system, where your ancestors came out of Egypt even if you’re only grafted into the people.

Jake: Absolutely.

Nehemia: You could be Ruth the Moabite, but once you proclaim in the name of Yehovah, as she did in Ruth 1:16, “Your people are my people, and your God is my God,” her ancestors came out of Egypt.

Jake: Absolutely.

Nehemia: And America has sort of replicated that in a beautiful way, where, if you are an American… And look, people from other countries might not understand this… then even if you had no ancestors in this country, George Washington was your founding father. It’s as if your ancestors were here. And look, this ties into Jeremiah, I want to say it’s 29, where he says, “When you go into exile, you need to pray for the cities that you go to to be blessed, because their peace is your peace,” right? So, you are invested in the nation that you live.

You know, one of the things Jews are accused of is having dual loyalty. They’re not really loyal to Germany. They’re not really loyal to France or America. Well, no. We’re required by the Torah, by the Tanakh to be loyal to the country that we’re citizens of.

Jake: That’s right.

Nehemia: And I think any scriptural person needs to be loyal to the country that they’re a citizen of. Now, maybe your country has problems, and it needs to be changed, and, you know, that’s possible, right? If you’re living in Communist China and they’re putting people in concentration camps because, you know, in that case, they’re Muslims, you know, the Uyghurs then okay, well… I don’t know that you can do anything about it, but you should at least pray for something to be changed, right?

Jake: Mm-hmm.

Nehemia: So, I see on the one hand every human being is made in the image of God, and we should treat everybody with respect and equally. On the other hand, you should be loyal to your country. And I don’t have a problem… So, one of the things Nick Fuentes says, and here I want you to respond, is he says, “I don’t hate blacks or Jews, I just want to be around people that are like me, around white people.” He says, “I want to have I want to live in a white neighborhood, and I want my children to marry whites, and I don’t want them bringing home a boyfriend that’s, you know, that’s black.” So… talk to me about that.

Jake: And that’s, again, he’s making these judgments entirely based on skin color, entirely based on, you know, ethnicity or whatever. But’s it’s like, you know, Vivek Ramaswamy spoke about this very thing in AMFEST 2025, when he spoke about how those on the far right have this idea of what it is… You know, “What it is to be an American is that you are a heritage American.” You’re like, well, “What are you talking about?” And what their position is, Nick Fuentes and those like him, is that what makes you an American is that you have your ancestral roots, you know, going back to, say, the founding of America, you know, back to the… that you are descendants…

Nehemia: Yeah, but Fuentes doesn’t… his family has been in America since 1860.

Jake: And that’s what’s so funny about Fuentes is, it doesn’t even apply to him.

Nehemia: His family came 20 years before mine.

Jake: And that’s another parallel to, you know, how Nick Fuentes is similar to, say, Adolf Hitler, because Adolf Hitler is exalted…

Nehemia: He wasn’t even German; he was from Austria!

Jake: Oh my gosh! Like, he was like as far from an Aryan as you could get!

Nehemia: That I don’t know about, but he wasn’t actually German. He was from Austria.

Jake: Yeah. It’s like… anyways, so, it’s just a, you know, a fun little parallel right there. So, even Nick Fuentes’s own position on a “Heritage American” is not even what he is, you know? But their idea is that “You’re American because your bloodline going back, you know, for a century or, you know, more than a century, has its roots in America.” And it’s like, Vivek Ramaswamy talked about that isn’t what makes you an American. And this gets to your point, which I absolutely loved, is that the United States of America, like biblical Israel, is this pattern of, wherever you come from, if you will enter into, say, covenant relationship, is that biblical image… You mentioned, you know, Ruth, you know, who was brought into the house of Israel and became just as Jewish as Boaz is, you know, her husband. And here’s Boaz, who has actual ancestry and lineage going back to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. She’s a Moabite, you know. She doesn’t have that ancestry. Another clear example from the time of Moses is, of course, Caleb, who was a Kenizite! Caleb, did…

Nehemia: Which is one of the Canaanite… you know, it lists the ten Canaanite tribes in the time of…

Jake: Right, I mean.

Nehemia: …Abraham, and one of them is the Kenezites.

Jake: Caleb had zero blood relation to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Nehemia: That’s right.

Jake: And yet, because he wholeheartedly trusted in Yehovah God, he… and then also Joshua, who was a blood descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, those were the two spies that went into the land, that brought forth that good report and trusted in God. And they were the ones that were permitted, of that generation, to enter into the Promised Land and to lead the individuals, the Israelites, you know, for the conquest.

Caleb, who, once again, was not a blood Israelite, he was not, you know, a blood descendant of Abraham, but because he did the works of Abraham, he was a son of Abraham. You know, he is one that is of Abraham. He is of Israel. He is… I mean, he was so honored by God. I mean, get this, it’s just extraordinary, that he was so honored by God, Caleb, this Gentile, you know, brought into the house of Israel, that he was raised up to be the leader of the most significant and largest of the 12 tribes of Israel, the tribe of Judah! You know, it’s just like, extraordinary, you know, when it comes to, you know, that…

And so, it’s like, the United States of America and the mind of our founding fathers is that same mind, that biblical perspective, that Torah-based perspective, that we don’t care about your skin color. We don’t care about where you’re coming from. We don’t care if you come from China or from Brazil, or from the heart of Africa, or anywhere else in this world. If you come here to the United States of America and you will be a law abiding… So, you come through the front door, okay. So, none of this you’re coming in illegally…

And that’s, you know, my issue with immigration. I’m all about, you know, legal immigration, but illegal? No. If you’re illegally here, well, then you should be deported. If your first decision in coming to the United States of America is showing that you do not care about law, our laws, well, then you tell us everything that we need to know about you, and so, you should be deported. But those who come through the front door, who are legal immigrants, they enter the United States, law abiding citizens, they’re looking to harmonize with our American way of life, the American experiment, the American dream, the American culture, and you are loyal to America, well, then you’re an American! That’s what you are.

And Vivek Ramaswamy, who… his parents were legal immigrants into the United States of America… Here’s Vivek, who is absolutely conservative in his views, he is a champion of those principles laid out in the Constitution of the United States by our inspired Founding Fathers of America. I look at somebody like Vivek Ramaswamy, and I’m like, “He is as American as American gets.”

Nehemia: But the elephant in the room is that…

Jake: But somebody like Nick Fuentes…

Nehemia: The elephant in the room …

Jake: …like Nick Fuentes and the Groypers, they look at Vivek Ramaswamy, and they do not judge him by the content of his character, they judge him because he’s from India, you know. Or he’s, you know, or his ancestors…

Nehemia: And he’s a Hindu, am I right?

Jake: Yeah. You know, he’s an Indian, you know. He’s got brown skin and…

Nehemia: No, but he’s actually… isn’t he a Hindu? Am I right about that?

Jake: Yeah. No, he is, in fact, yeah. When it comes to his religion, he is a Hindu.

Nehemia: So, you as a Christian Zionist pastor, how can you, and it’s a genuine question; explain how you can support… Like, I think he’d be an amazing president, Vivek.

Jake: I think he would be an amazing president.

Nehemia: So, is it a problem for you as a Christian Zionist pastor to support a Hindu? It’s a genuine question. I don’t know the answer.

Jake: I understand. No, I appreciate that. Now, my part…

Nehemia: Every president I’ve ever voted for was a Christian, or at least nominally. So, I don’t have a problem with somebody’s who not Jewish.

Jake: Yeah, and here you are, not a Christian, right? So, here you are, not a Christian, and you have voted for all of these presidents who are…

Nehemia: There was one Jew who ran, and I didn’t vote for him, because he’s a leftist. And I believe… and we can talk about this, that we had an experiment. We talked in the last program about a new king over Egypt, right? So, we had this experiment that lasted seven years. It was called socialism. It was a disaster. Tens of millions of people died. The young generation doesn’t know that, because it’s some footnote in history, and they’re being told, well, “It wasn’t done right.” Right? “It just has to be done right.”

Jake: It wasn’t “real socialism”.

Nehemia: Wasn’t real socialism, right.

Jake: Yeah.

Nehemia: So, I’m terrified when I hear someone like Gavin Newsom, who is a socialist, or Zohran Mamdani… There’s this clip where he says, “Ooh, socialism. It’s so scary.” Yes, socialism is scary. Tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of people will die. There will be suffering. Socialism is scary and it’s dangerous.

Jake: Absolutely.

Nehemia: So, look, I believe that. I could be wrong, but I’m not because we ran the experiment. We know how it ends. And it ultimately ends with people throwing off the shackles of socialism and returning to prosperity, which is your… You know, I was a high school teacher in China, and I went to visit Cambodia during my vacation. And I told my students about it. And I talked to them about the killing fields, where there was a communist takeover and 1 in 4 people were murdered, 25% of the country: about 2 million people. It’s one of the horrible genocides of the 20th century.

And I was explaining to my students, and showing them pictures of the killing fields, and one of them raised his hand and he said, “Why do the people who caused this horrible thing, why do they have the same symbol as my party?” Meaning the Communist Party of China. And I explained to them, I said, “Let me ask you a question. If…” And I was trying to explain to them socialism in the way a 15-year-old could understand, right? So, I said to him, “When you’re working and the government takes the fruit of your labor, like, how do you view that?” He’s like, “Oh, we’re all working together for the purpose of the people.” I said, “What if you don’t have a choice? What do you call it when someone’s forced to work and they don’t have a choice, and the fruit of their labor is taken away.”

Jake: Yeah. What if they put a gun to your head, yeah.

Nehemia: Right. Well, and they maybe shoot you. “What is that called?” They said, “Well, that’s called slavery.” I said, “That’s what socialism is. Socialism is slavery where the government steals the fruits of your labor.” And look, this is what happened… we talked about Stalin in the last program. Stalin was responsible for the death of something like 5 million people, or in the Holodomor, which was the Ukrainian genocide, where there were people who were raising crops, and then the central government from Moscow came and stole their food, literally, so that they would starve to death. That was the goal because they were trying to collectivize the farms, right? “And it was for the good of the people! And those are disloyal people because they’re not with the program.” Yeah, or they were trying to work, and you were stealing their stuff, and they starved to death.

So, I believe the… because look, there’s two ways to look at the Democratic Party in America. You could say, “Okay, they’re socially liberal, and that’s against the values of Torah.” I don’t have a problem with somebody being socially liberal in a political sense. Meaning, look, I believe in the Torah, and I want to follow the Torah. My problem is when they’re economically a leftist and they want to run the socialist experiment again. And that’s going to lead to suffering. That’s the problem I have with it.

Jake: Yeah. It’s like we’ve run this experiment before, many times, in fact. Socialism has been tried. Communism has been tried. And every time it is tried, it results in misery and suffering and famine and the destruction of the people. I mean, every time you put these evil ideologies into practice, the result is always the same. Just as God says, getting back to the very beginning, is that, “When you disobey My commandments,” God would say, “there’s going to be a consequence for it. There’s going to be disaster. There will be death, there will be misery, there will be suffering.” And when the people go, in their supreme arrogance, “I don’t care what God has to say. I’m going to do what I want to do because I think it’s right, because I feel it’s right.” God goes, “Okay, well, I’ve given you the ability to choose. I’ve given you the power to choose. Go ahead and try it and see what happens.” And that’s…

Nehemia: Yeah. When I was young, I was a socialist. And my plan was to move onto a kibbutz, join the kibbutz, and… basically a communist, right? And I lived on the kibbutz for a year, and by the time I got to the kibbutz, it was 1990. A kibbutz, guys, if you don’t know, is a Jewish commune in Israel. By the time I got to the kibbutz, it was the third or fourth generation. The first generation were radical ideologues, and they really believed it. And they worked, you know, 16 hours a day, in the heat, dying of malaria, but they were doing it because they believed that they were creating a utopia.

By the time I was there, there were people who were radical ideologues, there were people who had great skills, and they said, “Wait. I can move three kilometers down the road to Beit She’an, and I could get paid a lot of money. Why wouldn’t I do that? I have skills.” And then there were the losers, who stayed on the kibbutz because they were afraid to go out into society. And they thought, “Okay, I’ve got this, you know, social safety net in the kibbutz.” And the problem was that the losers were the majority and they weren’t motivated. They said, “Wait. I could run the factory, and I work 12 hours a day, and I’m worried the other 12… or I could sweep the floors. I get paid the same. Why wouldn’t I sweep the floors? It doesn’t make any sense.”

Jake: Right.

Nehemia: And they were the people who were… Look, and sweeping the floors can be a hard job. But when you’re done, you work 9 to 5 and at 5:00, you don’t have a worry in the world. And look, that’s appropriate for some people, no question. But if everybody wants to do that, then you’ve got a problem. Because, other than the radical ideologues that are, you know, things are kind of limping along, because you have a certain number of radical ideologues, but the majority of people are just…

And look, this is human nature; I’m not blaming anybody. The majority of people, we call them in Hebrew rosh katan, “small head”. They don’t take initiative and they’re lazy. Right? So, the majority of people are like that. And what socialism doesn’t recognize is that, you know, it says greed is a bad thing. Well, being too greedy is a bad thing, especially if you’re going to do something dishonest and immoral. But it’s good to have a motivation, let’s put it that way.

Jake: Well, even God Himself uses that same type of principle, where He seeks to motivate His people to do what is right and good by rewarding them, by blessing them. He promises, “If you do what I command you to do, well, then I will bless you for it. There will be a reward for it.” That’s the incentive. And so, when you have something like socialism and communism, not only is it a blatant violation of the commandments of God, as you know, “Thou shalt not steal,” you know, the eighth commandment of the big ten, but it also incentivizes laziness. It incentivizes those most base, carnal, fallen, corrupt aspects of our nature. And it doesn’t incentivize greatness. It doesn’t actually inspire individuals to work, to excel, for that promised reward.

And so, yeah, when somebody is incentivized to go out and work hard because they want the reward of a better life for themselves and a better life for their family, and, you know, even things like a better car, and a bigger house and all that. And it’s like, okay… I want to support you in that position. You know, I want you to support you on that, because you’re going to be those people that are going to be the entrepreneurs. You’re going to be those business owners. You’re going to be the doctors. You’re going to be those individuals that we absolutely need in order to have a functioning society. And if you are putting in the effort and the work and the time, the blood, sweat and tears, in order to earn that reward, whatever it is that you’re going after, well, then you should have it. I have no problem with that.

And yes, I absolutely agree with you, Nehemia, that from that biblical perspective, greed is a bad thing. Of course it is. You know, God speaks about this, you know, through his servant, prophet Moses. This is in Deuteronomy, if I remember correctly, chapter 14, where Moses warns the Israelites that you’re going to be, you know, be obedient to the commandments of God, and when you’re obedient to the commandments of God, God will bless you and prosper you. But never forget who it is that gave you this wealth. Never forget who it is that prospered you.

And so, ultimately, it comes down to, money isn’t the problem, and having money isn’t the problem. And having, you know, some good things in this world is not the problem. The problem is when the money has you, when that is the thing that you worship and that you serve. So, as long as you keep your priorities straight and you’re keeping your focus entirely on God as God being the one that has blessed you with these things and the ability to acquire these things, well, God delights to give them to you. It’s like, “Yeah, you’ve worked for it. You’ve earned it. You can enjoy it. That’s a reward for your labor.” But for those people that want the reward without the labor, the Holy Bible says, “You’re slothful, you’re lazy, you’re wicked, you’re carnal.” And that is what socialism and communism exalts. It exalts, once again, those basest and most wicked of human desires.

Nehemia: Well, when I was on the kibbutz in 1990, I knew within a few months of living there, this is going to collapse. There’s no way this is sustainable. And within a few years, you could look it up, most of the kibbutzim in Israel went bankrupt. And the kibbutz that I lived on for a year was privatized because it was an unsustainable model. There was waste, there was laziness. And look, this is the problem I have with leftism is that it’s going to lead to suffering. You know, people talk about, you know, Cuba. Like, the propagandists will say, you know, “Everyone’s equal and everyone has healthcare.” Yeah, but they’re starving to death. Everybody’s equally poor, except for the ruling class, you know, which still exists. It’s interesting, Biblical Hebrew doesn’t have a word for greed. The word betza in Biblical Hebrew is “unjust gain”.

Jake: Hmm.

Nehemia: So, like, for example…

Jake: Yeah. Dishonest gain, unjust gain.

Nehemia: That’s betza. The Bet-Tzadi-Ayin.

Jake: Which really, I mean, that is an accurate definition of what socialism-communism is, is that you get a reward for doing nothing.

Nehemia: Yeah.

Jake: You don’t have to work for it, because the government’s going to take care of you. Or you can just do the absolute bare minimum and you’re going to get the same reward as that person out there that is working their butt off to excel in life. It’s like, that’s not biblical. That’s not biblical, that’s not just, that’s not righteous. And getting… now, this is just, you know, getting back to Nick Fuentes, right? It does need to be understood that Nick Fuentes has already, to his audience, presented a socialist agenda, an actual socialist agenda. And you’re like, “Well, wait a minute. Isn’t he on the political right? And socialism is, you know, generally, you know, that’s a leftist position.” Well, the socialist position that he presented is literally National Socialism.

Nehemia: Yeah.

Jake: And I swear I’ve heard this before, like, maybe the National Socialist German Workers Party.

Nehemia: So, the story we heard is that the Nazis, which stands for the National Socialist German Workers Party, that they weren’t really socialists. What do you say about that?

Jake: Well, let’s finish with Nick Fuentes, and then we’ll get to the Nazis. And I think that Nick Fuentes is doing the exact same thing that Adolf Hitler did in the 30s… is that you’ve got Nick Fuentes, who’s presented this political position that, we can have a coalition between us on the right and those on the left. Of course, the common enemy that he identifies is Israel and the Jews, you know…

Nehemia: The Jews, yeah.

Jake: Yeah, exactly. You know, it’s where the far left and the far right always meet, hatred for the Jews, every single time. But what Nick Fuentes presented is, we can have a coalition between the left and the right. The left will have to give up something that they want, and the right will have to give up something they want. Left; you give up your position on immigration. We need to have a nation; we need to have strong borders so that we have our nation. So, you give up your position on immigration, and we on the right will give up our position on the free market, on capitalism. We will embrace socialist policies, you know, principles, if you embrace our nationalist policies and principles. In other words, National Socialism.

But I do believe that with his intelligence and deceptive, you know, satanic, you know, spirit that he’s filled with, he’s looking to do the exact same thing that Adolf Hitler and the Nazis did in 1930s. They presented this political position in order to gain the support of many on the political left, but once they were in power it was the political leftists that they went after first. They went after the communists…

Nehemia: Yeah, but there were still socialist policies.

Jake: They went after the trade unionists.

Nehemia: So, for example, one of the things Hitler put into place was that it was very cheap to ride the trains in Germany. And the result was that the actual entities that owned the train network couldn’t invest in the trains. And so, there were, like, these situations where people were freezing during the winter, but coal was piling up in the Ruhr region because there were no trains to bring the coal to the people. Because he had made it that, “Well, you know, the trains belong to the people.” You know, he socialized the trains.

In other words, part of the idea of a free market is that prices are a very powerful thing. Prices indicate, you know… like, there’s a lot of information baked into a price. And central government planning doesn’t work because they think they know better than the market. And the market was saying, “No, this train has to be more expensive, or we won’t be able to invest in the future of the trains.” And you could say that’s one of the reasons, not the only reason, but it didn’t help them in the war that the train system was underdeveloped. And then they were using those trains to ship Jews to Auschwitz instead of for their war effort. And that’s because before the war, they had cut the prices on, you know, passenger train tickets, among other things. So…

Jake: And another thing that Adolf Hitler did is a similar… honestly, it’s a similar type of thing of what the CCP, the Communist Chinese Party, is doing currently and has been doing now for the last several years, is that they’ve embraced a certain kind of capitalism, but it’s really a state capitalism. It’s fascism, you know, it’s the government, you know, and corporations working together where it’s, as long as you’re a corporation and an entrepreneur that’s willing to do the bidding of the government, and you’re willing to support the state, well, then we’re going to support you one hundred percent. But like with the CCP and their social credits, you know, system that they have, China is experiencing horrendous levels of suffering currently, and homelessness, from all of those people that are not willing to be a part of the CCP club, you know, not willing to actually just go along with everything that the Communist Party is saying.

And so, when it comes to Adolf Hitler and Germany, Nazi Germany, they gained power by having this coalition of both people on the political right and the political left. As soon as they were in power, they first went after the communists, they went after the socialists, they went after the trade unionists. Once they were gone and out of the picture, then they go after the Jews. And then they’re going after all of those people that are just not in line with their flavor of positive Christianity that was being presented, you know, to the German people, and are not fully in line with the state and the will of the state.

So, Adolf Hitler, when it came to those entrepreneurs that were willing to do the bidding of the state and were willing to actually build up the war machine of Germany, Adolf Hitler and the Nazis’ are like, “Yeah, we will make you obscenely rich. You know, we will support you one hundred percent. We will do anything, you know, to build you guys up.” But any individual that is just a, you know, true blue, through and through capitalist, that just wants to go out and start a business, a family business or whatever it may be to better his own position, and what the government wants, you know, be damned, it’s like, okay, such an individual would never prosper in Nazi Germany. Such an individual and business owner can’t prosper in Communist China. Such an individual could never prosper under a “Christian Nationalist” position that Nick Fuentes and the Groyper…

Nehemia: What is Christian nationalism? Let’s assume I don’t… I actually don’t know what is… what is Christian nationalism?

Jake: Christian nationalism is this idea… it gets to that same idea that we’re talking about earlier with that heritage American, that you’re an American based on your heritage. You’re also an American if you’re a Christian. And not just any Christian; these Christian nationalist types, they always get very specific, because they end up defining what kind of Christianity that you have to belong to.

Nehemia: So, what kind of Christianity do you have to be to be a Christian nationalist? I literally don’t know.

Jake: Well, the direction that Nick Fuentes is going is the same direction that Adolf Hitler and the Nazis went in the 1930s. In 1933, the Nazis made an agreement with the Roman Catholic Church that “you” Catholics in Germany, “You will have privileges that other Christians won’t have.”

Nehemia: And Nick Fuentes is a Catholic, right?

Jake: Yes, he is. Absolutely he is. And a lot of the people that identify as Christian nationalists are Catholics. Does that mean that all of them are Catholics? No. But a lot of them are. And this gets back to that, you know what I was saying, you know, it’s actually from that very, very famous poem, I believe the name is Martin… Molar?

Nehemia: Niemöller.

Jake: Niemöller, yeah, right. Who wrote the poem… you know, “First they went after the communists and I wasn’t a communist, so I didn’t speak up, right? Then the socialists and the trade unionists and then the Jews. And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. And then they came after me, and there was no one to speak up for me.” Well…

Nehemia: And that literally happened to him, by the way.

Jake: Well, he was a Lutheran. Yeah, he was not…

Nehemia: He was a Lutheran pastor…

Jake: Yeah. He was a Lutheran pastor.

Nehemia: Yeah.

Jake: And that’s what all of these people do. They have a very, very specific set of identities. And ultimately, well, that’s what it is, just as the left has been playing the identity politics game for many years, you have these people on the far right that are doing the exact same thing. It’s identitarian politics. They have a very specific identity about who and what an American is, and if you are not that identity, which is based on race and based on religion (their preferred race and their preferred religion) well, then you’re excluded, you’re expelled. We want to literally execute you. And I am not exaggerating. I posted this on X, just, I want to say two days ago, that one of these Groypers, who has a decent following… you know, he himself is a follower of Nick Fuentes, and I want to say that he himself has maybe 50,000 followers on X, which is a decent number, he posted, I believe Corey was his name, that under Christian Nationalism, all Zionist pastors, which would include me, will be publicly executed.

Nehemia: Oh, okay. Let’s…

Jake: Like, this is the thing; it’s like, I’m a Christian in that I believe in my Lord Jesus, my Lord Yeshua, but I understand the biblical perspective of what it means to be a Christian, that Yeshua who is the Yeshua Messiah, who is the Messiah of God, he, as the word of the New Testament identifies him as, he’s the living word of God. What that means is that when you see the Torah, you know, the written word of God, the law, when you see the prophets, you see the will of the Father written out in the Hebrew Scriptures, you see Jesus Christ. You see Yeshua Messiah, and what you’re seeing is what a human being looks like who is living the Torah out perfectly, living it out as it was intended by God to be lived out.

And so, Yeshua, Jesus, is the living Word of God. And what a Christian is, from that biblical perspective, a Christianos, is “one who is of the Christ”, one who is seeking to live their life according to the word of God as it was lived out according to keeping the commandments of God. I mean, Jesus says this in John chapter 15, that, “If you love me, then keep my commandments,” and the commandments that he’s referring to are the commandments of the Torah. He’s referring to the commandments of God. So, if you love God, and if you love the Christ, well, then you’re going to be living your life according to the will of God. You’re going to be living your life in keeping the commandments of God. That is a Christian. That is what a Christian is.

Nehemia: I want to go back to the issue of racism. So, you know, the way Nick Fuentes, he’ll try to like, present it in kind of a moderate way. And you hear that, and you’re like, “Okay, I mean, that seems reasonable.” Like, he’ll say, like, “Well, I just want to be around people who look like me, and I want to, you know, and I want to marry a white girl.” And I hear that, and I think, “Okay, you know, if you prefer…” Look, I mean, people have different tastes, right? You can have a man who says, yeah…

Jake: And that’s different than race, yeah.

Nehemia: You know, I want to marry a… I don’t know, I want to marry somebody who looks a certain way. And I think there’s nothing wrong with that. Where it becomes a problem is… then you have J.D. Vance, who currently is the vice president of the United States, and Nick Fuentes says he’s a race traitor because he’s married to an Indian woman. Okay, now you’re not talking about your preference, you’re trying to impose your preference on other people. And how is that a Christian thing to do? How is that…?

And I’ll speak from my perspective as a Jew. There are definitely Jews who would judge me because I married a Christian woman. And I could tell those people to stuff it, because I married a woman who was created in the image of God, who is a godly woman, who is a daughter of Yehovah and is more faithful to the Torah than, frankly, most Jews. And so, how dare you judge me for marrying someone who you say is, you know, they would use the slur that she’s a shiksa. That’s a disgusting thing to say, and that’s contrary to the Torah. And when Nick Fuentes calls J.D. Vance a race traitor, Nick Fuentes is a despicable human being who despises the word of God. That’s what that expresses.

Jake: That’s exactly what it is, is that he… Nick Fuentes, and all of those that follow him, they can call themselves Christians all day long, but a Christian, by biblical definition, is one that lives according to the word of God. You are living that life that is in harmony with the will of the Father. And Jesus himself says this; this is what brings the Sermon on the Mount to its conclusion. This is in Matthew chapter 7, “That there will be many on the day of judgment that will be crying out to him, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name? And in your name didn’t we cast out demons and devils, and in your name we even worked miracles?’ And Jesus will say to them, on that day, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you that practice lawlessness, you that put into practice… you routinely practice the breaking of my father’s law, the breaking of the commandments. I never knew you.’” And it’s obvious the audience that he’s speaking about; he’s speaking about those people that would identify as being Christian, because he says that these are the people on Judgment Day that will be saying, “Didn’t I prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons?”

Nehemia: He’s not…

Jake: He’s…

Nehemia: Not talking to the pagans or the…

Jake: He’s not talking about pagans. He’s not talking about, you know, Muslims. He’s not talking about Buddhists or Hindus. He’s not talking about anyone or anything that doesn’t call Jesus their Lord. That’s the whole point, is that all of these people… and Jesus says there will be many of them that have been calling Jesus their Lord in life, but they have not been doing the will of the father. And this is what Jesus says, “That not everyone who calls me Lord, Lord is going to enter into the kingdom of heaven, but only those that do the will of my father who is in heaven.”

And it’s like, what’s the will of the father? To keep the Torah, to keep the commandments, to be obedient to the word of God, to not live by bread alone, but to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of Yehovah, God. That, by biblical definition, is what a Christian is. So, you have all of these people who claim to be Christian, and yet by their words and by their actions, you can know who they really are. They are the antithesis of everything that is biblically Christian and everything that is Christ-like. Nick Fuentes, and those like him, if they do not sincerely repent of their evil, well, then they will be found among those many “Christians” on Judgment Day that Jesus will say to him, “I never knew you. Go to hell where you belong.”

Nehemia: All right, let’s shift to the… we said before the program… I asked you in an email, I said I want you to talk about the Serpent seed doctrine.

Jake: And that’s a good… yeah, that’s a good…

Nehemia: A good segue.

Jake: Segue to that…

Nehemia: Because the serpent seed doctrine is an attempt to read anti-Semitism, I’ll call it that, or Jew hatred, into Scripture. So, what is the serpent seed doctrine?

Jake: Well, there’s what is the official “serpent seed doctrine”, which is one hundred percent against the word of God and is a total complete lie. And honestly, it’s the same kind of identitarian, you know, identity politics BS, you know, that we were talking about. That the left does, that the far right does. The serpent seed doctrine, as these wicked people have created this lie, is that, well, in Genesis chapter 3… in fact, let’s go there.

We have to go to the chapter of The Fall. And these individuals that have created this “serpent seed doctrine,” which is an absolute lie, they make it entirely about genetics. They make it about DNA. They make it about blood. And the claim with the serpent seed doctrine is that the sin that was committed by Eve and then Adam in the Garden of Eden was not taking of this forbidden fruit, of this tree of knowledge, good and evil, but it was actually a sexual act that occurred between Eve and the serpent.

Nehemia: Okay.

Jake: That the serpent seed doctrine states that the first one that was born into this world, not created, because Adam was, of course created, and Eve was created from the side of Adam, but the first one born into this world, which is Cain, he was not fully man, he was not fully human, but he was in fact a mixture of DNA between Eve, his mother, and then Satan, his father. Like literally, genetically, you know, that he was literally the son of Satan, which is, of course, so utterly perverse and ridiculous because all one has to do is, of course, go to…

Nehemia: So, in other words… so, Eve had sex with the serpent, that’s the claim, and produced Cain.

Jake: Yes, that’s the claim, that Eve had sex with the serpent and produced Cain. Okay, well, all you’ve got to do is go to Genesis chapter 4, the very next chapter, the first verse, which is Genesis 4 verse 1, “Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. And she said, ‘With the help of Yehovah, I have brought forth a man.’”

Nehemia: So, how do they explain that?

Jake: Well, they just don’t. And this is the thing that… individuals that… you know, we’ve been talking a lot about Nick Fuentes, but you know, you got these other, you know, wicked people, you know, that are, you know, stirring up all this trouble right now on the right, Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens. They all claim to be Christian, right? But their authority ultimately isn’t the Bible. Their authority ultimately isn’t the word of God.

Many of them, you know, their authority is like, you know, with Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes, you know, is the church, you know, is the Catholic church. But the claim with the serpent seed doctrine is that Cain was a literal, physical, genetic DNA blood son of the serpent, of Satan. Okay. And they get this idea from what it says in Genesis chapter 3 verse 15, where Yehovah, God Almighty is cursing the serpent for what he has done, and, in verse 15 God says, “And I will put enmity between you,” the serpent, “and the woman, and between your offspring and hers. And he will crush your head, and you will strike,” or bite, “his heel.”

And so, you read it in Genesis chapter 3 verse 15, and it says, wait a minute; the serpent has offspring? The serpent has children… what? And that’s where they get this idea. Totally perverse, complete and total lie. That verse right there, Genesis chapter 3 verse 15, has nothing to do with blood, nothing to do with DNA, nothing to do with genetics, nothing to do with some sexual act that these, you know, idiots, and, you know, wicked, immoral people claim happened in the Garden of Eden, that Eve had sex with the serpent. No. Genesis chapter 3 verse 15 is entirely metaphorical and spiritual when it comes to those that are identified as being offspring or, “seed of the serpent”, and those that would be offspring or seed of the woman.

Nehemia: Well, I would interpret it in a more literal sense, and say humans hate snakes and snakes hate humans. Or they attack them, anyway. In other words… you’re laughing, but that’s the plain meaning within the context…

Jake: Okay.

Nehemia: …and then I think Christianity takes it and says, “Well, the serpent is Satan, and there’s this enmity between the seed of the woman who is Jesus and the seed of the serpent, who is, I guess, the serpent.” Am I right about that?

Jake: Well, there are Christians that go in that direction. I don’t think you have to go in that direction, okay?

Nehemia: So, what direction do you go in?

Jake: Now, Jesus is what you would say is the ultimate fulfillment of this prophecy, of this word, that he is the ultimate fulfillment that will crush the head of Satan, will destroy Satan. And Satan will have the ability to inflict injury to him, which is, you know, what we see in the gospel accounts, is that wicked individuals… now, it needs to be pointed out that Jesus, as he says in the Gospel of John chapter 10, that he lays down his own life voluntarily, you know. No one takes it from him. He did what he did, praise God, one hundred percent voluntarily. It wasn’t the Jews, you know, that did it, it wasn’t the Romans that did it. He went voluntarily to Golgotha. You know, he did it entirely of submitting his will to the will of the Father.

But the serpent seed doctrine, once again, is this idea that Cain, and then those children that would come from Cain, are literal children of Satan. They are literal children of the serpent. And the spiritual understanding of this is that, no, what this verse is speaking of is an opposition, or an enmity that is put between two types of people that would be from the beginning of the world to the end of the world. And those two types of people are the righteous, and then the wicked. Those two types of people would be those that are being submissive to the will of God and those types of people that are submissive to the will of the serpent, the will of Satan.

Jesus says this in John chapter 8, where, speaking concerning those wicked religious leaders… and this doesn’t mean all of the religious leaders there in Judea. Of course not. There was a small yet powerful group of religious leaders that were far more concerned with the preservation of their false traditions and false doctrines than they were with the teaching of the truth of the Torah and the word of God. And so, in John chapter 8, Jesus, to these powerful Pharisee religious leaders, is saying that, “I know that Abraham is your literal father,” because that was their claim. It’s like, “Abraham is our father.” And Jesus says, like, “I acknowledge that. Abraham is your father. But if you really were the children of Abraham, well, then you would be doing the works of Abraham. You’d be doing those things that Abraham did. You would be living your life in that way. That is, as Abraham showed, that he lived his life by faith and by obedience to the commands of God, the word of God. And by so doing, you are then really a son or a daughter of Abraham, really a child of Abraham.” And Jesus goes on further and says, “But you are not children of Abraham,” even though he fully acknowledged that by blood they were. He said, “You’re really not children of Abraham. You are children of your father, the devil, Satan, the serpent, because…”

Nehemia: Okay, so this is the tie-in… In other words, who cares if Eve had sex with the snake? What is the practical application of that? And now you’re getting to it. You’re burying the lead, Jake. So, this is it. In other words… so, give us the bottom line. What’s the practical application of this?

Jake: The practical…

Nehemia: …is that Jews are literally descendants of Satan…

Jake: …those people that do the will of Satan in this world, spiritually and metaphorically, are referred to as “children of Satan”. They are the offspring…

Nehemia: What the serpent seed doctrine says is, that Jews are literal descendants of Satan, through Eve and the serpent. Am I right? That’s the version I’ve heard.

Jake: They, they… Some say that, but…

Nehemia: So, in other words, there’s a form of it that says that Jews are biologically descended from the woman, Eve, and her union with Satan. That’s the version I’ve heard.

Jake: There are those that make such a claim, exactly. But it’s, like, that has nothing to do with what God is saying in Genesis…

Nehemia: No, it’s not what God is saying. But in other words… so, you ask them, “How could you be against Jews? Jesus was a Jew.” And it says in Genesis 15:3 about the descendants of Abraham, “Those who bless you, I will bless and those who curse you, I will curse.” And they say, “Oh, no, that has nothing to do with the Jews of today, the Jews of today are literal, physical descendants of Eve copulating with the serpent, who is Satan.” And so, Jews are literally descendants, and they tie it into the verse in John that you just mentioned, where he says, “You are sons of your father, the devil.” They say, “That’s literally, that the Jews of his day were literally descendants of Satan.” That’s the version I’ve heard.

Jake: Yeah, and these are the same people that ignore what Jesus said only a few verses before, where he fully acknowledges that they are children of Abraham, by blood. I mean, let’s go there. I mean, let’s go there, really quick, just so I can read it right to everybody, you know, our audience. You got to get it… Don’t take the word of Jake Hilton here, let’s, you know, go to the Holy Bible, let’s go to the word of God, and…

Nehemia: What verse are we in? Where are we?

Jake: This is John chapter 8, Gospel of John chapter 8, and starting in verse 33. “They,” these are those powerful religious leaders, once again, in Judea. And they said, “They answered him, Jesus, ‘We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves to anyone. How can you say that we will be set free?’” And the context of that is that if you are obedient to the word of God, well, then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. “So, Jesus replied to them, saying, ‘Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.’” The whole context here is about sin. And he says, “Now a slave,” one that is a slave to sin, “has no permanent place in the family. But a son,” a son, an actual, you know, child of the family, “belongs to that family forever. So, if the son,” as in the son of God, myself, Jesus, “sets you free, well, then you will be free indeed.”

Verse 37: “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants.” Say what? Like, you know, here were, you know, these powerful Pharisee religious leaders, where they make the claim, “We are Abraham’s descendants,” and Jesus responds by saying, “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants.” But then he goes on and says, “Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. You have no room for the word of God, the word of the father. The word of God is not in you.” And he says, “I am telling you what I have seen in the father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.” And then they make that claim again. “Abraham is our father,” they answered.

And Jesus said, “If you were Abraham’s children, then you would do what Abraham did,” or you would do the works, the righteous works, of Abraham. So, it’s like verse 39 and verse 40, Jesus says that “If you were Abraham’s children, then you would do what Abraham did. You’d do the works of Abraham.” It was only three verses before where he fully acknowledges that they are Abraham’s children, his descendants. “You’re fully descendant of Abraham. I fully acknowledge that. But you’re not really, as in that spiritual, metaphorical sense, you’re not really Abraham’s descendants. Because if you were, well, then you would do what Abraham did. As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham didn’t do such things. You are doing the works of your father.”

And then he goes on and he identifies the “father” that he’s referring to, and he says, verse 44, “You belong to your father, the devil, because you want to carry out your father’s will. He, the devil, was a murderer from the beginning.” From the beginning, from creation. He’s going all the way back to the Garden of Eden. “Your father, the devil, was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. And when he lies, he, the devil, speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. And yet, because I tell you the truth, you do not believe me.”

So, what Jesus is saying here very, very clearly to these… not to the Jews; that is ridiculous. That is evil straight from the pit of hell. He’s speaking this to a very, very specific group of people that were in places of religious power and religious authority in the land of Judea, who once again, were far more concerned with the preservation of their traditions than they were in teaching the truth of the word of God and the commandments of the Torah. And Jesus says to them, “Look, I fully acknowledge that you’re children of Abraham, I totally get that. Yeah, of course. But you’re not really, not spiritually. Because if you were children of Abraham, you would be doing the righteous works of Abraham. You don’t do the righteous works of Abraham. You do the will of your father, the devil, therefore he’s your father. You do the will of the devil, therefore he’s your father.”

Ultimately, when it gets back to Genesis chapter 3 verse 15, it comes down to: who ultimately is found as being a child of God and who is found as being a child of “the serpent”, a child of Satan? It comes down to whose will you’re obedient to. If you’re obedient to the will of God the Father, you are a son or daughter of God. Does not matter your background, doesn’t matter your ethnicity, doesn’t matter, you know your… like we were talking about Caleb. We were talking about Ruth. They were grafted into the house of Israel, into the family of God, because they were obedient to the will of God.

You know, it didn’t matter that Ruth was a Moabite. It didn’t matter that Caleb was a Kenizite, you know, of the same groups of people that were like the Canaanites. You know, it doesn’t matter. You know, he’s in the same, you know, group. By blood, Caleb was not a blood descendant of Abraham, but he was a child of Abraham. He was a son of Abraham.

Nehemia: Amen.

Jake: He did the works of Abraham. But then you have, like from the Torah; this is from Numbers chapter 16 where you have the rebellion of Korah. Korah, who was an evil, wicked man, he was somebody who was a literal blood descendant of Abraham, but he was evil. So, therefore, spiritually and metaphorically, he’s not a child or a son of Abraham, a descendant of Abraham, he is a child of the “serpent”. He’s a child of Satan, because he’s doing the will of Satan. He is rebelling against the truth. He’s not speaking the truth and living the truth; he’s speaking lies and living lies. And this ultimately brings us back to individuals like Nick Fuentes, who claims to be a Christian, but he’s not a Christian. He claims to be a follower of Jesus, but he’s not a follower of Jesus. He claims that he is one that is a child of God, and yet, no; somebody like Nick Fuentes is not a child of God. He is a child of the serpent. He’s a child of Satan because he does the will of Satan. And that is what the whole thing is about. That is what it’s about.

And this is what’s so glorious about Genesis chapter 3 verse 15 is that God puts enmity between these two groups of people: between the righteous and the wicked, between the good and the evil, between the light and the darkness. And He says that there’s enmity between these two groups. And the righteous are given authority by God to crush, to have power over, the wicked. Now, the wicked in this world, they also do have authority to inflict pain and inflict tribulation and trouble upon the righteous. Which is exactly the kind of stuff that we’re seeing nowadays; a whole bunch of wicked people that are stirring up trouble and creating a whole lot of pain.

But if those people who truly are sons and daughters of God, sons and daughters of Abraham, because they do the righteous works of Abraham, if they would have the boldness and the courage to stand up and fight against the lies and the liars, and to, by the grace of God, fight against the evil of such individuals like Nick Fuentes, we would have the victory. We would win. Because truth is greater than lies. Light is greater than darkness. No matter how dark it gets, darkness never has the power to overcome the light. Light always has the power to win. Goodness always has the power to defeat evil.

Nehemia: Yeah, but it took 70 years…

Jake: We just have to have the courage to do it.

Nehemia: …for the Soviet Union to fall. And the Nazis were in power for 12 years, and millions of people died during both of those situations. Tens of millions in the case of the Soviet Union… well, and the Nazis. So, there could be a lot of darkness ahead. Let’s end with a prayer. We’ve come back to Nick Fuentes, if anybody is still listening… it’s been a very long conversation!

Jake: But hopefully it’s been a good conversation. I love this, Nehemia, I am so grateful…

Nehemia: Well, I appreciate you coming on and sharing about this, but if anyone’s still listening, guys, you know, here’s the challenge that we face as I see it. The Groypers, who are followers of Nick Fuentes, they’re not going to be only somebody, you know… they’re going to be your sons and your daughters. They’re going to be your cousins and your friends. Because his idea is spreading, and it’s gripping an entire generation.

Jake: Absolutely

Nehemia: And so, this is the challenge that we face, you know, like… So, how do we deal with this? And I don’t know the answer, so, here we really need God’s help, that we’re dealing with this disease, this infestation, which is coming, in a sense, from within. And, you know, like I said, a few hours ago when we started our conversation, that my friend was asking his friends who are part of evangelical mega-churches in the Dallas area, and he was told, after they went and checked, “Oh, all of our kids love this guy. We didn’t realize how deeply it’s infiltrated.” So, this is a problem. We have a problem in the United States.

Jake: An extraordinary problem.

Nehemia: And particularly in the… I mean, I look at the blue-haired leftists who are ranting and raving about how the Jews are colonizers, and I’m like, “These people are just delusional,” right? Jew is somebody who comes from Judea; how could Jews be colonizers? And then they lash out against Jews worldwide, right? Because Jews are both the communists and the ultimate capitalists, right, in their mind. But this is coming from people who you wouldn’t expect this from, people who speak very differently, who say, “No, we love God. We love traditional values,” and yet they’re expressing things that are abominable from a biblical perspective, certainly from a Tanakh perspective, and I would even say from the New Testament, the whole idea of the one new man.

Jake: Totally…

Nehemia: Like, how is that not contrary to some of the very core concepts of both Judaism and Christianity? And that’s what we’re facing.

Jake: Yeah, this is absolutely what we’re facing. And I personally would say that these followers of Nick Fuentes, and Nick Fuentes himself, they are more evil than the people on the left, you know, the full-on insane leftists. And the reason why is because the leftists / communists, they do their evil, and it is evil; it’s, you know, abominable, the things that they do and put into practice. But they do their evil from a totally secular, godless position. They don’t do their evil claiming that they’re doing it for God, or for Jesus. But you look at these people on the far right, like Nick Fuentes and his followers, they are the definition of that which is abominable and perverse and evil. They are absolutely, spiritually and metaphorically speaking, children of Satan, and they do all of their evil and say that they’re doing it for God, say that they’re doing it for God’s Son, Jesus Christ.

Therefore, I would say that they’re, you know, even more evil than those on the left because they taint and pollute God and God’s son. They drag God and God’s son down from that place of holiness and righteousness into a place of evil; to make God and Jesus like they’re an active participant with all of these abominations that they promote.

So, we have an extraordinarily huge problem on our hands. And you said before, you know, “I don’t know what the solution is.” Well, if I may be so bold, I believe that the solution is what I spoke of before, that good, from the beginning, from Genesis chapter 3 verse 15, righteousness and goodness and truth and light, is given the authority over the lies and over the evil and the wickedness and the darkness to crush those things.

And I think about what the Apostle Paul says in the Epistle to the Romans, that you don’t overcome evil with evil, you overcome evil with good. We overcome this evil by doing good. We overcome this evil by living as God has commanded us to live. We overcome this evil by getting back to the authority of God’s Word, the Holy Bible, and living our lives by it. We overcome this evil by being so bold and so courageous that we will speak the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, no matter the consequences, and we will live our lives by it. And if we do so, well, then the truth will have the victory over the lies and those that speak those lies.

Nehemia: May it be. That sounds like a beautiful prayer to end with. Thank you. That was a prayer.

Jake: That was a prayer, yeah. Halleluyah.

Nehemia: That was a prayer. We don’t even… Amen, I say to that, that the truth will set you free. Thank you so much, Jake.

Jake: Hey, Nehemia, this has been a true pleasure. It’s wonderful to see you again, and I hope we can do it again soon.

Nehemia: All right, shalom.

Jake: Shalom.

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VERSES MENTIONED
Exodus 1:8
Genesis 3
Isaiah 5:20
1 Samuel 16
Acts 10:34-35
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 10-11
Exodus 12:48-49; Numbers 15:14-16
Ruth 1:16
Jeremiah 29:7
Genesis 15:18-21
Numbers 13-14, 32:12; Deuteronomy 1; Joshua 14:6, 14
Exodus 20:15; Deuteronomy 5:19
Deuteronomy 8
John 14:15; 15:9-10
Matthew 7:21-23
Deuteronomy 8:3; Matthew 4:4
Genesis 4:1
John 10:17-18
John 8:33-47
Genesis 15:3
Numbers 16
Romans 12:21

BOOKS MENTIONED
YHWH’s Divine Images: A Cognitive Approach
by Daniel O. McClellan

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OTHER LINKS
The Sword of YHVH Ministries
A Jew named Mordechai Hitler
First reference to [Adolf] Hitler in Hebrew newspapers
"Who is Hitler?" in Hebrew newspaper
Ex 1:8 "new king over Egypt" link

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