In the second episode of the Schumacher Conversations, Helena Norberg-Hodge and Richard Heinberg discuss localization, the centrality of food in shaping a new economy, the need for a reconnection to others and to nature, and the embrace of alternative economic models as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic. This conversation took place on July 16, 2020 and was moderated by Matt Stinchcomb, board chair of the Schumacher Center for a New Economics.