David Heinemeier Hansson might not need an introduction, but here’s one just in case: DHH is the co-founder and CTO at Basecamp, the popular SaaS project management tool, and the co-founder and CTO of Hey, a new way of thinking about email. He’s also the creator of Ruby on Rails, the popular open source web development framework. If that weren’t enough, he’s also a best-selling author and a champion racecar driver. And now, he can tell everyone he’s been a guest on Screaming in the Cloud.

Join Corey and David as they discuss why DHH decided to pick a fight with Apple (or rather, why Apple decided to pick a fight with him), how Hey originally intended to compete against Gmail but quickly realized they had to beat another boss before they could even begin, how a theoretical $40 million in legal fees deterred DHH from deciding to sue Apple, how every company is a tech company whether they know it or not, how Apple made DHH and his co-founder Jason Fried rethink whether they wanted to continue making software, what the internet was like back when Basecamp was released and how DHH hopes we can get back there at some point, what happens when big tech companies eat software, and more.