André Arko, CEO of Spinel Cooperative and longtime Bundler maintainer, joins Corey Quinn to introduce RV, a new Ruby tool that installs Ruby in one second instead of 10-40 minutes by using precompiled binaries. Inspired by Python's UV, RV aims to simplify Ruby dependency management without the complexity of older tools like RVM and rbenv. They talk about why Ruby isn't actually dead, Apple's problem with shipping a five-year-old end-of-life Ruby in macOS, and the challenges of writing dependency managers in the language they manage. André also shares how he transitioned from a struggling nonprofit model to a cooperative that charges companies for expertise, proving that open source maintainers can build sustainable businesses without relying on donations.

Show Highlights:

(03:50) Introducing RV

(05:12) The RVM vs rbenv Wars and Why They All Break Bundler

(09:00) Why Your Mac Still Shows Ruby 3.0.0 in Your Prompt

(11:00) The Chef vs Puppet Philosophy Divide

(16:30) Installing Ruby in One Second vs 40 Minutes

(18:13) Apple’s Ancient System Ruby Problem

(22:20) RV’s Incremental Approach 

(24:23) Is Ruby Dead? 

(28:44) Why RV Is Written in Rust, Not Ruby

(31:10) The Bundler Problem

(32:15) The Financial Reality

(38:00) Spinel’s Plans to Make Money

(39:23) How to Stay In Contact with André

Links:

André Arko: https://arko.net
Blue Sky: https://bsky.app/profile/indirect.io
Spinel Cooperative: https://spinel.coop

Sponsor:
Duckbill: https://www.duckbillhq.com/

When attackers are smart enough to hit your backups, recovery becomes your best defense. Rubrik’s Chief Product Officer, Anneka Gupta, joins host Corey Quinn to break down what true cyber resilience looks like in today’s multi-cloud world. From AI-driven recovery to surviving ransomware with your data (and reputation) intact, this episode covers what it really takes to bounce back when everything goes sideways.

Show Highlights

(00:00) Introduction to Ransomware and Backups

(00:25) Welcome to Screaming in the Cloud

(00:32) Introducing Rubrik and Annika Gupta

(01:26) What Does Rubrik Do?

(02:18) Evolution of Backup and Recovery

(03:37) Challenges in Cyber Recovery

(05:33) Rubrik's Approach to Cyber Resilience

(08:44) Importance of Cyber Recovery Simulations

(09:40) Security vs. Operational Recovery

(11:28) Assume Breach: A New Security Paradigm

(14:29) Multi-Cloud Complexities and Security

(27:45) Hybrid Cloud and Cyber Resilience

(29:25) AI in Cyber Resilience

(33:09) Conclusion and Contact Information

About Anneka Gupta
Anneka Gupta is a senior executive leader with a proven track record of scaling successful B2B SaaS businesses from the ground up. She’s led across product, tech, go-to-market, and operations, always with a customer-first mindset. Known for turning complex challenges into big wins, Anneka brings energy, innovation, and real-world results to every team she leads.

She’s been recognized as one of San Francisco Business Times’ Most Influential Women in Business and 40 Under 40, as well as a Rising Star by AdExchanger and Marketing EDGE. Oh, and AdAge once named her one of the Top 10 Digital Marketing Innovators.

Links
rubrik.com/sitc
https://www.linkedin.com/in/annekagupta/

Sponsor:
Rubrik: https://www.rubrik.com/sitc 

Deana Solis, 2022 FinOps Foundation Evangelist of the Year, joins Corey Quinn to discuss her winding career path from electrical engineering to healthcare IT to FinOps. She shares why certifications are "largely performative," warns that AI can turn your AWS bill into "a telephone number," and explains why NAT Gateway costs hit everyone from hobbyists to enterprises. The episode covers cloud repatriation conspiracy theories, translating between engineering and finance teams, and why good FinOps work is really just getting humans in a room to talk.

Show Highlights: 

(02:36) FinOps Foundation 

(03:15) FinOps as Marriage Counseling Between Engineering and Finance

(06:00) Deana’s Journey From Electrical Engineering to FinOps

(12:41) The Performative Nature of Certifications

(16:22) AI as Both a Threat and Tool in FinOps

(20:41) Why AI Is Flooding the Job Market with Noise

(25:09) Why FinOps Is Never Boring Despite Sounding Like It

(29:10) The NAT Gateway Problem

(33:09) The Generational Divide in Cloud Platform Preferences

(37:23) Stay In Contact With Deana Solis

About Deana Solis:

Deana Solis is a senior FinOps engineer with more than 20 years of infrastructure management experience. Recognized as the FinOps Evangelist of the Year by the FinOps Foundation in 2022, she has become a leading voice in driving cloud financial accountability and culture.

Beyond her technical expertise, Deana is passionate about humanizing technology. She serves as a FinOps Foundation ambassador and mentor, using her voice to elevate Women in FinOps and underrepresented folks in technology.

Her unique journey, from electrical engineering to liberal studies to FinOps, embodies both analytical rigor and emotional intelligence. Deana isn’t just shaping the way organizations think about cloud costs; she’s helping reshape the culture of technology itself.

Sponsor: https://www.wiz.io/

On this episode of Screaming in the Cloud, Corey welcomes back Chris Weichel, CTO of Ona (formerly Gitpod). Chris explains the rebrand and why Ona is building for a future where coding agents, not just humans, write software.
They discuss what changes when agents spin up environments, why multi-agent workflows feel addictive, and how Ona is solving the scaling and safety challenges behind it.
If you’re curious about the next wave of software engineering and how AI will reshape developer tools, this episode is for you.

About Chris: Chris Weichel is the Chief Technology Officer at Ona (formerly Gitpod), where he leads the engineering team behind the company’s cloud-native development platform. With more than two decades of experience spanning software engineering and human–computer interaction, Chris brings a rare combination of technical depth and user-centered perspective to the systems he helps design and build.

He is passionate about creating technology that empowers people and tackling complex engineering challenges. His expertise in cloud-native architecture, programming, and digital fabrication has earned him multiple publications, patents, and industry awards. Chris is continually exploring new opportunities to apply his broad skill set and enthusiasm for building transformative technology in both commercial and research settings.

Show Highlights
(00:00) Introduction to Modern Software Interfaces

(00:55) Welcome to Screaming in the Cloud

(01:02) Introducing Chris Weichel and Ona

(02:23) The Evolution from Git Pod to Ona

(03:26) Challenges and Insights on Company Renaming

(05:16) The Changing Landscape of Software Engineering

(05:54) The Role of AI in Code Generation

(12:04) The Importance of Development Environments

(15:44) The Future of Software Development with Ona

(21:31) Practical Applications and Challenges of AI Agents

(30:01) The Economics of AI in Software Development

(38:11) The Future Vision for Ona

(39:41) Conclusion and Contact Information

Links:
Christian Weichel LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christian-weichel-740b4224/?originalSubdomain=de

Ona: https://ona.com/

https://csweichel.de/

Sponsor: Ona: https://ona.com/

Brian Scanlan, Senior Principal Engineer at Intercom, the company building Fin.ai, joins Corey Quinn on Screaming in the Cloud to discuss Intercom’s move from AWS Aurora to PlanetScale’s managed Vitess after years of scaling challenges with their Ruby on Rails monolith. He explains how 13 Aurora clusters created operational pain and why PlanetScale’s white-glove, partnership-driven model won out over Amazon’s building-block approach.

The discussion also covers Intercom’s volunteer-based on-call system, their pivot to AI agents after ChatGPT’s launch, concerns about the shrinking pipeline of systems engineers, and how companies like PlanetScale and Snowflake are outpacing AWS by delivering superior user experiences.

About Brian: Brian is an engineer based in Intercom’s Dublin office. He fixes problems, builds things, and grows people.

Show Highlights

(01:34) The Digital Clippy Rant

(2:16) The Good Chatbot vs. Bad Chatbot 

(03:51) The AI Chatbot Revolution 

(04:33) Unexpected Consequences of Good Chatbots 

(05:42) AI Support vs. Human Support 

(05:59) The Alexa Problem and Feature Discoverability 

(19:03) Amazon's Struggles Moving Up the Stack 

(26:55) The Unix Networking Society Origins 

(34:43) The Global On-Call Challenge

(42:09) LinkedIn: The World's Largest Porn Site 

Links

Intercom: intercom.com

Brian on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scanlanb/

Brian on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/bscanlan.bsky.social

Sponsor
Wiz - Listen to Crying Out Cloud: wiz.io/crying-out-cloud

AI is rewriting the rules of code review and CodeRabbit is leading the charge. In this featured episode of Screaming in the Cloud, Harjot Gill shares with Corey Quinn how his team built the most-installed AI app on GitHub and GitLab, nailed positive unit economics, and turned code review into a powerful guardrail for the AI era.

Show Highlights

(0:00) Entrepreneurial Journey and Code Rabbit's Origin 

(3:06) The Broken Nature of Code Reviews 

(5:47) Developer Feedback and the Future of Code Review 

(9:50) AI-Generated Code and the Code Review Burden 

(11:46) Traditional Tools vs. AI in Code Review 

(13:41) Keeping Up with State-of-the-Art Models 

(16:16) Cloud Architecture and Google Cloud Run

(18:21) Context Engineering for Large Codebases 

(20:52) Taming LLMs and Balancing Feedback 
(22:30) Business Model and Open Source Strategy 

About Harjot Gill 

Harjot is the CEO of CodeRabbit, a leading AI-first developer tools company. 

Links

• Harjot on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/harjotsgill/

Sponsor
CodeRabbit: https://coderabbit.link/corey

In this episode of Screaming in the Cloud, Corey Quinn talks with Jonathan Schneider, CEO of Moderne and author on Java microservices and automated code remediation. They explore why upgrading legacy systems is so hard, Schneider’s journey from Netflix to building large-scale code transformation tools like OpenRewrite, and how major companies like Amazon, IBM, and Microsoft use it.

They also discuss AI in software development, cutting through the hype to show where it genuinely helps, and the human and technical challenges of modernization. The conversation offers a practical look at how AI and automation can boost productivity without replacing the need for expert oversight.

Show Highlights

(2:07) Book Writing and the Pain of Documentation

(4:03) Why Software Modernization Is So Hard

(6:53) Automating Software Modernization at Netflix

(8:07) Culture and Modernization: Netflix vs. Google vs. JP Morgan

(10:40) Social Engineering Problems in Software Modernization

(13:20) The Geometric Explosion of Software Complexity

(17:57) The Foundation for LLMs in Software Modernization

(21:16) AI Coding Assistants: Confidence, Fallibility, and Collaboration

(22:37) The Python 2 to 3 Migration: Lessons for Modernization

(27:56) The Human Element: Responsibility, Skepticism, and the Future of Work

Links

1. Crying Out Cloud Podcast & Newsletter: https://www.wiz.io/crying-out-cloud
2. Modern (Jonathan Schneider's company): https://modern.ai
3. LinkedIn (Jonathan Schneider): https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathanschneider/

On this episode of Screaming in the Cloud, Corey Quinn talks with Simon Willison, founder of Datasette and creator of LLM CLI about AI’s realities versus the hype. They dive into Simon’s “lethal trifecta” of AI security risks, his prediction of a major breach within six months, and real-world use cases of his open source tools, from investigative journalism to OSINT sleuthing. Simon shares grounded insights on coding with AI, the real environmental impact, AGI skepticism, and why human expertise still matters. A candid, hype-free take from someone who truly knows the space.

Highlights: 

00:00 Introduction and Security Concerns
02:32 Conversations and Kindness
04:56 Niche Museums and Collecting
06:52 Blogging as a Superpower
08:01 Challenges of Writing and AI
15:08 Unique Use Cases of Dataset
19:33 The Evolution of Open Source
21:09 Security Vulnerabilities in AI
32:18 Future of AI and AGI Concerns
37:10 Learning Programming with AI
39:12 Vibe Coding and Its Risks
41:49 Environmental Impact of AI
46:34 AI in Legal and Creative Fields
54:20 Voice AI and Ethical Concerns
01:00:07 Monetizing Content Creatively

Links: 

• Simon Willison’s Blog
• Datasette Project
• LLM command-line tool and Python library
• Niche Museums
• GitHub MCP prompt injection example
• Highlights from the Claude 4 system prompt
• AI energy usage tag
• AI assisted search-based research actually works now
• POSSE: Publish on your own site, syndicate elsewhere
• Bellingcat
• Lawyer cites fake cases invented by ChatGPT, judge is not amused (May 2023)
• AI hallucination cases database
• Sponsor Simon to get his monthly summary newsletter
• https://simonwillison.net/
• https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonwillison
• https://datasette.io/

Sponsor
Augment Code: https://www.augmentcode.com/

In this deep-dive episode, Corey Quinn and Ed Zitron break down the complex and often murky world of AI and the tech giants fueling today’s rapid innovation. From Nvidia’s soaring valuations to OpenAI’s shaky finances and Microsoft’s high-stakes gambles, they reveal the cracks hidden beneath all the hype.

They navigate the tangled web of corporate finance, big investments, and what could happen if the AI boom falters whether it reshapes the economy or crashes spectacularly.

With sharp takes on the crossroads of AI, crypto hype, SaaS economics, and enterprise software, Cory and Ed cut through the noise to separate myth from reality. They ask: Is today’s tech gold rush truly transformative, or just another bubble pumped up by money, media, and wishful thinking?

If you’re into tech or investing, this episode challenges you to look past the buzzwords and understand the real forces shaping the future of technology.

Highlights
(00:00) Introduction and Initial Thoughts on AI
(00:53) AI Skepticism and Financial Realities
(03:01) Economic Analysis of AI Companies
(07:44) Microsoft and OpenAI: A Complex Relationship
(11:23) The Broader AI Market and Its Challenges
(16:49) Comparing AI to Other Technological Innovations
(34:45) The Salesforce AI Buzzword Craze
(35:09) The Disconnect Between Business Press and Valuations
(36:37) Google's AI Economics and TPU Insights
(39:34) Meta's Midlife Crisis and AI Investments
(47:11) The Nvidia GPU Dependency
(58:40) OpenAI's Financial Struggles

About Ed Zitron
Ed Zitron is the CEO of EZPR, a national public relations agency focused on technology and business. He writes the popular tech and culture newsletter Where’s Your Ed At and is the author of two books: This Is How You Pitch: How To Kick Ass In Your First Years of PR and Fire Your Publicist. Ed has been named one of Insider’s Top 50 Best Public Relations People in Tech four times.

Links: 

• Where's your ed at 
• https://www.ezpr.com/about-us
• Better off Line 
• Snark bot https://bsky.app/profile/aws-snarkbot.lastweekinaws.com

Sponsor
Augment Code: https://www.augmentcode.com/

Reliable software shouldn't be an accident, but for most developers it is. Jeremy Edberg, CEO of DBOS and the guy who scaled Reddit and Netflix, joins Corey Quinn to talk about his wild idea of saving your entire app into a database so it can never really break. They chat about Jeremy's "build for three" rule, a plan for scale without going crazy, why he set Reddit's servers to Arizona time to dodge daylight saving time, and how DBOS makes your app as tough as your data. Plus, Jeremy shares his brutally honest take on distributed systems cargo cult, autonomous AI testing, and why making it easy for customers to leave actually keeps them around.

Public Bio:
Jeremy is an angel investor and advisor for various incubators and startups, and the CEO of DBOS. He was the founding Reliability Engineer for Netflix and before that he ran ops for reddit as its first engineering hire. Jeremy also tech-edited the highly acclaimed AWS for Dummies, and he is one of the six original AWS Heroes. He is a noted speaker in serverless computing, distributed computing, availability, rapid scaling, and cloud computing, and holds a Cognitive Science degree from UC Berkeley.

Show Highlights

(02:08) - What DBOS actually does

(04:08) - "Everything as a database" philosophy and why it works

(08:26) - "95% of people will never outgrow one Postgres machine"

(10:13) - Jeremy's Arizona time zone hack at Reddit (and whether it still exists)

(11:22) - "Build for three" philosophy without over-engineering

(17:16) - Extracting data from mainframes older than the founders

(19:00) - Autonomous testing with AI trained on your app's history

(20:07) - The hardest part of dev tools

(22:00) - Corey's brutal pricing page audit methodology

(27:15) - Why making it easy to leave keeps customers around

(34:11) - Learn more about DBOS

Links
DBOS website: https://dbos.dev

DBOS documentation: https://docs.dbos.dev

DBOS GitHub: https://github.com/dbos-inc

DBOS Discord community: https://discord.gg/fMqo9kD

Jeremy Edberg on Twitter: https://x.com/jedberg?lang=en

AWS Heroes program: https://aws.amazon.com/developer/community/heroes/

Sponsor
https://wiz.io/scream