It’s no surprise “God Hates Divorce” or at least “God Hates Divorce for Women” in evangelical christianity. There’s only one thing that will end a marriage in God’s eyes…ADULTERY. But even then, sometimes it’s best to forgive (the man) and stay married! 

We’re all big fans of personal choice over here, even if you signed a legal (gasp!) document one time when you were 20 (oh, was that just Meg?!) you don’t HAVE to stay in a relationship you don’t like (you don’t even have to say your reason). Join us for a healing episode celebrating the TABOO of divorce!

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A lot of things were considered real bad in the 80’s and 90’s - especially for evangelical kids like your fave trio, Lindsay, Meg, and Sarai. The devil, yikes! Having boobs, terrible! Even thinking about or knowing anybody who drank any kind of alcohol?? NO! And especially…DRUGS. 

Then again, in the 80’s and 90’s, drugs were bad for everyone, because Nancy Reagan said so. 

This season is all about Taboos! In this episode, we delve into the realm of substances and how we’ve learned where, when, and how substances harm or help us.

“Before we can ask an addict to say no to drugs we have to give them something to say yes to.” Gabor Maté, MD In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts

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In this season of the podcast, we’re talkin all about taboos. The people, places, things, and beliefs that never really quite fit into the narrow scope of evangelicalism. You know, all the things you couldn’t/shouldn’t/wouldn’t talk about because you were a Good Christian Girl™. Things like BODIES. Thanks to our ole friend Purity Culture, talking about bodies was weird. (You could even say it was TABOO!) And, if you were unlucky enough to be born with ample breasts - aka “Heavenly Hills” - well, then you were just shit outta luck.

But what about larger bodies? How did the evangelical church deal with fatness? (Spoiler alert: NOT GREAT!) To get into this triggering topic, we invited fat activist and body image coach, Amanda Martínez Beck, to chat with us about faith and fatness and everything in between.

Amanda brings us back to the very beginning, with the fall of humankind in the Garden of Eden. Because Adam and Eve ate something they shouldn’t. They didn’t have self control, they ate, and then they were ashamed about their naked bodies. And thus kicked off lifetimes of guilt and shame about our bodies! (Fun times!)

We tackle all sorts of fun topics in this episode. The famed “your body is a temple” scripture that is so often quoted at folks to guilt them into being thin. We get into fatphobia and its origins in white supremacy. The definitions of fat activist vs fat liberationist. Paul’s vision of eating clean vs unclean animals. And Amanda’s belief that the true purpose of our bodies is for relationship.

We cannot say enough good things about Amanda or this conversation. Go follow her on the interwebs, go buy her book, and support her important work in any way you can.

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In this very special episode of Holy Ghosting, we got to chat with everyone’s favorite rogue CCM songwriter, Derek Webb of Caedmon’s Call! If you were an evangelical Christian in the 90’s/2000’s, you know who we’re talkin about. Caedmon’s Call was THE band of youth groups and Bible colleges. And as it turns out, Derek is quite literally from a Long Line of Leavers (SEE WHAT WE DID THERE?!) and after a long and successful career in the Christian music industry, he decided to leave Christianity entirely. He’s made a lot of music about his faith journey, and has been refreshingly open and honest along the way.

 

p.s. Derek is on tour currently, debuting songs from his soon-to-be released album, The Jesus Hypothesis. Tickets and info at derekwebb.com

That said, we were super excited to sit down and chat with Derek about alllllllllll the things. We talked about his CCM days, his “fall from grace”, deconversion, solo career, and all that fun stuff! (We also heard a little from his adorable pup, Etta.) We got into all the nitty gritty of evangelical Christianity and were floored by his kind and graceful way of speaking about the messiness of faith and doubt and everything in between. And we talked about David Bazan (because if you’re talkin about deconstruction, it always comes back to Bazan).

Just trust us when we say we had the best conversation with Derek and he made us feel a part of something bigger and it made us feel thankful for YOU (our Ghosties!) and this rad community we’re building. Now stop reading and go listen to the interview!

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As Evangelical children in the 80’s and 90’s, we had plenty of Big Terrible Things to fear. Satanic Panic was in full swing, stranger danger lurked in every darkened doorway, and America’s Most Wanted sailed into our living rooms on the reg. One of the most fearful things, of course, was the rise of Environmentalism. (BUT WHY?!)

Seriously, though, does anybody know why Evangelicals - people who believe God literally created the world and everything it and who believe the earth is a gift from God above - also hate environmentalism? Deny climate change? Fight for industry over the health of the earth? (All God’s creatures great and small, unless you’re the Spotted Owl, then fuck you!) The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

So, if you, like this unanimous trio of co-hosts, were not allowed to watch Fern Gully, lest your fertile young mind absorb the poison of the message to protect the earth, listen in as we get into the nitty gritty of Christians and the Environmental Agenda.

If, on the other hand, you’re reading this description and thinking it makes literally no sense - you’re not wrong. Join the club and still listen, because if nothing else, this will entertain you for a little while. 

This season, Holy Ghosting is focusing on the philosophies, activities, existences, and concepts that were taboo in our Evangelical experience. Anything and everything from fat bodies, naked bodies, LGBTQIA+ bodies and humans…we’re gonna opine and weep and laugh our way through it all. If you’re into that sort of thing, you might want to become one of our besties and become a Holy Ghostie at Patreon.com/holyghosting

Don’t forget to subscribe so you don’t miss a single episode this season! What’s more fun than Taboo? Guesstures? NO. Taboo is the best group game, end of discussion. But also a very interesting topic to unpack amongst consenting adults. xoxox

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One afternoon, months and months ago, three loudmouth Type-A women gathered in Meg’s living room to record the inaugural episode of Holy Ghosting (“Panic at the Altar”). And if that weren’t enough sharing for one day, we decided to share our Testimonies and catch each other up on our walks, because that’s what fellowship is, we supposed. So if you’ve ever wondered how we went from Good Girls to whatever we are now, this is the episode for you.

Each of us had similar beginnings, but we each had a Very Specific Journey through and out of Evangelical Christianity. Pull some threads with us as we share pieces of our deconstruction and reconstruction stories.

Ever wondered how many sidebars Sarai could stick in one episode, find out now! Who among us majored in Bible? What the heck happened with these perfectly suitable evangelical Good Girls? Listen, enjoy, and then go ahead and work out your own Salvation, fear and trembling optional. 

Thank you for joining us for Season One of Holy Ghosting, we’re already working on Season Two, so we’ll see you in January!

We’ve launched a Patreon, and if you sign up in December at any level you will become a Founding Member and be granted Eternal Ghostie Benefits. Learn more at https://www.patreon.com/holyghosting

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Hiiiii! We’re surprising you this week with an extra special bonus extravaganza bonanza to let our beautiful Ghosties know we’ve launched a *drumrollllllllll* Patreon. Can you even believe it? You can?? Well, good. Because it’s the gospel truth. 

We wanted to let y’all know that you, if you are so bold as to join the Ghostie brigade at any level before 12:00 AM on January 1, 2023, you’ll be an Eternal Ghostie with all access to everything we create now and into perpetuity, or until we all die, whatever comes first.

That’s wild! It’s amazing! It’s….some might say…”priceless.” Stay tuned 'till the end of the episode for all the amazing details, but spoiler, you can just go to Patreon.com/HolyGhosting to join today - and tell all your Ghost-like friends, because this will be a one-time deal December ONLY (P.S. But, also, like, now, so some of November too).

Come to the altar today, folks, and commit your life to…honestly, whatever you want or don't, but more importantly, let’s be friends and you do you! *kiss-kiss*

Anyway - this episode is bonus in the most bonusey way because it’s a behind the scenes welcome into the inner world of your middle aged mom friends as we talk amongst themselves to get ready to record an episode.

Join us in taking the Spiritual Gifts Quiz at www.giftstest.com (not a sponsor! We got nothin’ from them besides a list of our top five spiritual gifts, straight from the mouth of our sweet baby Yoda).

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Every holiday season brings tidings of great joy and shiny toys for the girls and boys (and people) who celebrate whatever holidays. For evangelical kids, the gifts kept giving all year long, because ours were…spiritual. 

Join Lindsay, Meg, and Sarai as they troll through their past and reanimate their spiritual ghosts, we mean gifts. Remember words normals never use (exhortation, anyone??), join us as we talk through the controversy surrounding tongues (with and without interpretation, nerds), and rediscover one key gift all three of us share: Discernment. (We will wait for your collective gasp!)

Ever wonder what spiritual gifts were all about? Even if you don’t believe the stuff you were raised with, what can we do with this information? Turns out Discernment is a pretty rad signifier of having intuition and listening to it. And, the gift of Administration leads a kid to just absolutely love paperwork and be the boss-betch of the world. And of course, Hospitality makes all potlucks possible - and science says nobody can survive without being forced to eat room temperature green bean casserole at least once. Plus! Bonus: Stay tuned next week for a special release (Our Spiritual Gift to you, dear Ghostie), as we release behind the scenes content of the three of us middle aged mom friends reconstructing our top five spiritual gifts, and deconstructing the leftover shreds of pain and shame and doubt and turning them to wailing laughter and hopefully, something useful we can all still take from our experience. Yay! It’s fun! It’s gifts! 

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What’s one thing you regret NOT doing as a young evangelical? If you’re like us, it probably had something to do with sex. Don’t worry, the entire episode isn’t about premarital sexual things…but most of it is. So, content warning for those of you who want to be the ones to tell your teens that self-pleasure is good and to worry more about giving consent and getting consent than crossing an imaginary purity boundary imposed by people that were obsessed with our virginity. 

But that isn’t the only thing these Good Christian Girls®, Lindsay, Meg, and Sarai, rebelled against. This week we’re gossiping about our younger selves and revealing the secrets we thought would stay in our journals until we died, or until we burned them in a cleansing ritual (you guess if it’ll be the holy kind or the witchy kind). 

We want to hear your stories of rebellion, too. How did you rebuke the church elders or reply to a bat-shit-crazy interpretation of scripture or call out the youth pastor? Send us your stories and we’ll share them with our community. We’re louder together and they can’t shut us ALL up. 

Oh. And for the faithful reader and listener...there's a bonus ending if your loyalty and patience are never-ending. Hint: If you're a Marvel fan, you know to wait.

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SURPRISE! We couldn't stay quiet about politics...so we're sharing a bonus episode! Our advice in a nutshell? Vote your VALUES.

If you “search engine” * the term “What should I NEVER talk about?” you’ll get a lot of lists. Most of those lists include sex, death, money, and especially religion and politics. Unfortunately, for those consumed with propriety, this podcast pretty much covers all of them at one point or another.

In this episode, join your favorite throuple, Lindsay, Meg, and Sarai, to learn about how their Evangelical upbringing informed (or misinformed, more accurately) the shape of their political lives and choices. From being raised on a steady diet of Rush Limbaugh to using Christian Voter Guides -- codename: “how to be a Republican no matter how far it leads you from your supposed ‘biblical worldview’ -- to how the three of them have unraveled themselves from the entanglement of the church and the right-wing in America. 

Important sidebars and rabbit** trails this episode include: health care is a human right, Oregon-specific political rants, and the strange affection Lindsay and Sarai both harbor toward the fearfully departed Limbaugh, PLUS a surprise worship song that is sure to tug at your heartstrings. It was written and performed by Kermit The Frog, originally.

Want to chat about fun (read: terrible) things like Christian Nationalism (aka White Supremacy and Colonialist Idealism) and wonderful things (read: actually wonderful) like voting by mail? Hit us up.

And we’d love, as always, to hear your stories about this work of dismantling your ideologies after Evangelicalism. Or during it, in some cases, which, wow, that is a trip. Or a stumble, depending on who you ask.

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**don't worry there isn't another terrible story involving a rabbit in this episode (but if you missed that one, check out our Halloween Episode!)

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