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What if the comfort you chase is the thing holding you back from real resilience? We sit down with Jay Carson—veteran of U.S. politics, creator behind House of Cards and The Morning Show, and now executive director of the Boulder Outdoor Survival School—to unpack how a minimalist 14-day course can reset your inner compass. From a pandemic power outage that felt apocalyptic to making friction fires and sleeping without a bag, Jay shares the skills and mindset that turned fear into capability.

We explore the philosophy behind Boss: keep the gear list short, keep the learning deep, and move often enough that comfort can’t calcify. Jay explains why “compare down” cuts anxiety, how survival priorities put shelter and fire ahead of food, and why discomfort isn’t danger. If you’ve wondered whether you’re fit enough, his answer might surprise you. Baseline fitness helps, but head and heart make the difference—especially on specialised tracks like the Hunter-Gatherer course where, if you don’t find it, you don’t eat it.

There’s history and scope here too. Boss has operated since 1968 across nearly a million permitted acres in southern Utah, taking students from desert scrub to high forest in a single day’s walk. Jay connects those landscapes to his own, tracing a line from 9/11 and an anthrax exposure to a deeper need for nature’s grounding. He also previews his forthcoming book built on survival priorities—part backcountry guide, part life manual—aimed at anyone ready to rethink comfort, risk, and what truly matters.

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