Backpacker Radio

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we’re joined by Bennett “Jolly” Fisher, the founder and visionary behind Jolly Gear. We learn all about Jolly's entry into backpacking, including his first thru-hike at just 18 years old alongside his dad, hiking 300 miles of the PCT on a broken ankle, and some hilariously embarrassing Jabba stories from their recent hike on the CDT. We, of course, dive deep into his apparel company, Jolly Gear, and how he's flipped the thru-hiking fashion world on its head with his unique sun hoodie button-downs. We chat about the biggest challenges associated with running an apparel business, how a misunderstanding lead to his early signature design, how he manages the business while backpacking, his process for sourcing new designs, and much more.

We close the show with the triple crown of cringeworthy things, a discussion of what should be free but isn’t, an impromptu drop-in from Jabba, and an AT conditions update courtesy of Quadzilla.

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Interview with Bennett “Jolly” Fisher

• Jolly Gear Website
• Jolly Gear Instagram

Time stamps & Questions

00:02:50 - Reminders: Help us make Jabba shave his beard, support us on Patreon for exclusive bonus content, join us in Denver on December 7th and apply to be a 2025 blogger!

00:08:00 - Introducing Jolly

00:12:38 - We Love Love: Tell us your engagement story

00:16:05 - What was your entry into backpacking?

00:21:20 - Did you consider quitting early on in the AT hike?

00:23:00 - What was your social experience like on the AT?

00:24:15 - How’d you get your trail name?

00:27:00 - Has your dad hiked again since the AT?

00:28:30 - How did your parents support you starting out on the PCT?

00:30:15 - At what point did you get into shirt research?

00:33:00 - How far did you get on the PCT in 2017?

00:34:00 - Why’d you get off the trail in 2017?

00:39:10 - Tell us about your foot injury in 2021

00:45:42 - Are you still adjusting your footwear?

00:50:13 - At what point did you first want to design a hiking shirt?

00:53:00 - Discussion about the Outdoor Product Development program

00:56:14 - Did your first shirt have your signature design?

01:01:12 - Do you get good feedback about having women’s sizes?

01:02:00 - Was there anything functionally different between your prototype and what was on the market?

01:05:09 - How did the style evolve?

01:11:00 - Are all the shirts the same UPF?

01:12:23 - What material is the shirt?

01:15:23 - Have you ever thought about making shorts?

01:19:40 - What’s your day to day like?

01:21:40 - Do you have a vision for where you want the brand to be in 5 years?

01:24:54 - Are you planning to ever use the snap buttons?

01:27:00 - Discussion about pursuing a denim shirt

01:29:50 - How do you decide on future patterns?

01:30:54 - What’s the biggest challenge of your job?

01:32:43 - Have you seen other brands imitating some of your patterns?

01:34:50 - What’s the best Jabba story you have?

01:44:40 - Kumo Question: What is the one thing you wish you were better at?

01:47:13 - What’s next for you?

Segments

Trek Propaganda: 

• Trek for Trevor: Get 20% off a pair of microspikes before you hike through the San Jacinto Mountains on the PCT. 
• Jack “Quadzilla” Jones: On-the-Ground Hurricane Helene Status Update and 2025 Predictions by Kelly Floro

QOTD:  What should be free but isn’t?

Triple Crown of cringy things

Mail Bag

5 Star Review

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A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Ben Love, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Liz Seger, Mud Tom, Patrick Cianciolo, Rebecca Brave, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, Tracy ‘Trigger’ Fawns

A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Bonnie Ackerman, Chris Pyle, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Katharine Rudzitis, Lauren Cain, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by Shari Edelson. Shari is a PhD student researching human impacts in wilderness areas, specifically the impacts of human dookie in the backcountry. We chat about in which circumstances wagbags are warranted, the challenges with compliance when they are, when it's perfectly okay to bury your shit, and how future conservation efforts should be allocated to making this easier to understand for hikers. We also chat about Shari's thru-hike of the TA and are blessed with some plant fun facts, stemming from their background as a horticulturist.

We wrap the show with how to score the most competitive long trail permits in 2025, if farts are pushing out poop or if poop is pushing out farts, and the triple crown of things that happen all the time but no one sees.

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Interview with Shari Edelson

• Shari's Trek author page
• Shari’s email: [email protected]

Time stamps & Questions

00:02:27 - Reminders: Support us on Patreon for exclusive bonus content, join us in Denver on December 7th and apply to be a 2025 blogger!

00:07:00 - Introducing Shari

00:08:05 - What’s the coolest plant fact you know?

00:11:30 - Do you have a favorite house plant?

00:13:16 - Tell us about your career managing public landscapes and gardens

00:16:40 - Is there a different soil type for a vegetable garden versus an arboretum?

00:17:40 - What tips do you have for someone who wants to start a vegetable garden?

00:20:20 - Tell us about hiking the Te Araroa in 2023

00:24:15 - What’s your elevator pitch for hiking northbound on the Te Araroa?

00:27:15 - Discussion about Shari blogging for the Trek on the TA

00:28:40 - What’s your background in studying poop?

00:35:00 - What were your interviews like on Longs Peak?

00:37:22 - Do people poop on day hikes?

00:42:22 - What did you learn about how many people were burying it?

00:46:20 - Discussion about the usage of wag bags

00:52:00 - What do you know about mycelium tabs?

00:55:06 - What was the conclusion of the Mt. Elbert study?

00:57:40 - Would it be feasible to have maps of poop zones?

00:59:37 - Has this been evaluated on backpacking trails?

01:02:40 - What’s the next phase of the study?

01:04:20 - Discussion about where to carry out wag bags

01:06:53 - What do you want the listener’s take away to be?

01:10:15 - Kumo Question: If you could only eat one food for the rest of your life, what would it be?

Segments

Trek Propaganda: How To Score 9 of the Most Competitive US Hiking Permits in 2025 by Ariella Nardizzi

QOTD:  Are farts pushing out poop or is poop pushing out farts?

Triple Crown of things that happen all the time but no one sees

Mail Bag

5 Star Review

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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.

A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Ben Love, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Liz Seger, Old Man Murph’s Coffee Roasters, Patrick Cianciolo, Rebecca Brave, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, Tracy ‘Trigger’ Fawns

A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Bonnie Ackerman, Chris Pyle, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Katharine Rudzitis, Lauren Cain, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Topo Athletic, we're joined by Tara Dower, the new holder of overall Fastest Known Time on the Appalachian Trail. Tara gives us the low down on every aspect of her recent record-breaking trek, including how she fell wildly behind pace after the first two states, her nutrition, her sleep habits (or lack thereof), how vital her crew was in her success, the criticism she's faced for "hiking too fast", running a 100-mile race just a few weeks prior to the attempt, and much more. Tara also goes into more depth on her backpacking and FKT background and we subject her to a pair of brutally awkward fornicate, marry, kill questions. Fun times all around.   We wrap the show with our triple crown of guilty pleasure songs, a stupid thing of the week (Zach hurts himself again), and the most unrealistic thing we thought we could be when we were kids.

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Interview with Tara “Candy Mama” Dower

• Tara's Instagram
• Tara's Website
• Tara's Youtube

Time stamps & Questions

00:05:55 - Reminders: Support us on Patreon for exclusive bonus content, join us in Denver on December 7th and apply to be a 2025 blogger!

00:07:55 - Introducing Tara

00:09:29 - Are you still recovering?

00:10:45 - What mantras did you have?

00:13:00 - What was your origin story in the outdoors?

00:17:12 - When did you decide to pursue the Mountains to Sea Trail FKT?

00:19:00 - Did you impress yourself at that moment?

00:21:30 - Tell us about getting off the AT because of anxiety

00:23:05 - How do you manage anxiety during an FKT attempt?

00:24:25 - Were you tough growing up?

00:26:45 - What inspired you to want to continue pursuing FKTs?

00:29:55 - Tell us about the John Muir Trail

00:31:20 - What part of running do you dislike the most?

00:32:30 - Tell us about the Benton MacKaye Trail FKT

00:34:40 - Tell us about the Colorado Trail FKT

00:36:20 - Discussion about support classifications

00:40:25 - How do you deal with critics?

00:44:30 - How did the Colorado Trail change your outlook on future FKTs?

00:46:00 - When did you decide to go after the AT FKT?

00:48:38 - Did you initially plan to beat the overall record?

00:50:08 - Were you intimidated by others who tried and failed to beat the record?

00:51:30 - Did you notice a transition in social media as you were running?

00:55:18 - Why did your anxiety influence which direction you went?

00:57:20 - How long before you started was the Hard Rock?

01:00:00 - What was it like going through Mahoosuc Notch at FKT pace?

01:01:44 - Tell us about being behind pace at first

01:05:27 - How did your crew chief motivate you?

01:07:03 - Did you ever disagree about decisions?

01:08:00 - How much of a trail was solo or with a pacer?

01:09:50 - What was your adjustment like after the FKT?

01:12:45 - How has your nutrition changed over the years?

01:18:55 - Did you have any near injuries?

01:19:40 - Can you pinpoint a low moment?

01:23:30 - Did you hallucinate?

01:26:45 - Tell us about your average mileage and sleep during the FKT

01:30:40 - Is Rascal’s position a paid position?

01:31:34 - Did you have any paid sponsorship during this run?

01:32:26 - When did you know you had it?

01:35:02 - Did you conceptualize how big of a deal it was going to be?

01:36:35 - Tell us about raising money for Girls on the Run

01:38:20 - Fuck Marry Kill: thru-hiking, FKTs, ultraracing

01:39:31 - Fuck Marry Kill: Outside Magazine, Washington Post, The Trek

01:40:34 - Kumo Question: What’s something you’ve always wanted to try but haven’t had the courage to do yet?

Segments

Trek Propaganda: Tara Dower Sets Overall Fastest Known Time on Appalachian Trail by Kelly Floro

QOTD:  What is the most unrealistic thing you thought you could be when you were a kid?

Stupid Thing of the Week

Triple Crown of guilty pleasure songs

Mail Bag

5 Star Review

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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.

A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Ben Love, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Liz Seger, Old Man Murph’s Coffee Roasters, Patrick Cianciolo, Rebecca Brave, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, Tracy ‘Trigger’ Fawns

A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Bonnie Ackerman, Chris Pyle, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Katharine Rudzitis, Lauren Cain, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Topo Athletic, we are joined by Jabba and Lt Cookoo for another BPR classic. This one, in expected fashion, is all over the map. We start by getting a brief update of what Cookoo has been up to since his last appearance on the show followed by a more detailed update from Jabba, primarily about a once-in-a-lifetime bikepacking trip through Iceland, a trip that nearly robbed his soul in the best and worst way possible. We then dive into a QA format, including the top advice they'd give to themselves before their first backpacking trip, their favorite treks that take one month or less, the best stories from the trails they've hiked together, the inevitable point at which they butt heads and much more.

The boys stick around for segments, which is also predictably weird. We provide our wiping techniques in alarming detail, the triple crown of things a dentist can say but not a gynecologist, and Viking gives Chaunce wedding advice. 

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Interview with Jabba & Lt. Cookoo Bird

• Jabba's Instagram
• Cookoo's Instagram
• Backpacker Radio #194 | Bruce “Lt. Cookoo Bird” Lynn on the Sierra High Route, Wind River High Route, Hayduke, Biking Across the Country, and More

Time stamps & Questions

00:04:45 - Reminders: Support us on Patreon for exclusive bonus content, join us in Denver on December 7th and apply to be a 2025 blogger!

00:07:47 - Introducing Jabba & Lt. Cookoo Bird

00:09:30 - Is Jabba still sober?

00:11:35 - Zach & Jabba’s fantasy football punishments

00:14:50 - What adventures has Cookoo done in 2024?

00:18:50 - Cookoo’s self-arresting technique

00:20:15 - Cuckoo on the Teton Crest Trail

00:21:54 - Cookoo’s mountaineering

00:23:19 - What adventures has Jabba done in 2024?

00:28:20 - Why don’t comfier bike seats exist?

00:33:30 - Jabba hiking the other half of the CDT

00:39:01 - Jabba’s Ragbrai trip

00:47:20 - Jabba’s Iceland trip introduction

00:50:30 - Iceland route description

00:52:54 - Jabba’s (lack of) trip preparation

00:59:00 - How did you get your bike to Iceland?

01:00:00 - Iceland’s singletrack trail difficulty

01:04:00 - Jabba’s mindset while biking

01:06:15 - End of Day 1

01:08:55 - Day 2

01:12:38 - How much were you walking your bike versus riding your bike?

01:16:07 - Is it Type 2 fun?

01:19:45 - End of Day 2

01:24:20 - Discussion about hiking in sand

01:31:05 - Going back to get the AirPods

01:34:35 - Day 3

01:42:49 - What would you do differently if you did this trip again?

01:45:00 - Getting to the end location of Day 3

01:49:35 - Day 5

01:58:24 - End of Day 5

02:02:50 - Have you been in contact with Chris since the trip?

02:04:30 - What’s the best one month or shorter hike you’ve ever done?

02:13:31 - If you could go back in time to your first thru-hike, what would you do differently?

02:16:46 - How do you figure out footwear faster?

02:22:16 - What is your best story about the other story?

Segments

Trek Propaganda: “I Just Had To Skip So Many Miles”: How 2024 PCT Thru-Hikers Are Adapting to Fires and Trail Closures by James Townsend

QOTD:  Does your butt stay on the toilet seat when you wipe?

Triple Crown of things a dentist can say, but not a gynecologist

Mail Bag

5 Star Review

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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.

A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Ben Love, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Liz Seger, Old Man Murph’s Coffee Roasters, Patrick Cianciolo, Rebecca Brave, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, Tracy ‘Trigger’ Fawns

A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Bonnie Ackerman, Chris Pyle, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Katharine Rudzitis, Lauren Cain, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to by LMNT, we are breaking down our recent hike of the Northville Placid Trail. Chaunce, Elise, and yours truly recently set out south from Lake Placid to trek as much of the trail as we could in a 5-day period. Spoiler alert- I was forced off trail first, Chaunce did the full thing, Elise split the difference between the two of us.

We give you a day by day breakdown of our trek, including a not so fun first day, a family fight on day two featuring a midday meltdown, our favorite moments from the trail (like an epic campsite off Long Lake) and much more. We also give you the rough and dirty on the NPT, including the distance, elevation gain, resupply options, terrain, water, etc yatta yatta.

We wrap the show with the triple crown of John Travolta movies, whether we'd prefer the perfect stick or the perfect rock, and a one-minute gear review!

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Panel with Zach, Chaunce, and Elise

• Chaunce's Instagram
• Badger's Instagram
• Elise's Instagram

Time stamps & Questions

00:05:00 - Reminders: Support us on Patreon for exclusive bonus content, join us in Denver on December 7th and apply to be a 2025 blogger!

00:09:40 - Introducing the NPT Panel

00:11:30 - Northville Placid Trail basics

00:13:30 - Hiking direction

00:15:05 - Day 1 of hiking

00:27:00 - Night 1

00:32:55 - Bugs, darkness, and mileage

00:42:30 - Day 2

00:47:45 - The family fight

00:58:00 - Night 2

01:02:15 - Day 3

01:06:40 - Zach’s incident

01:11:05 - Odds games

01:22:02 - Zach’s second incident

01:23:40 - Getting off trail

01:27:05 - Night 3

01:32:13 - Day 4

01:51:25 - Zach’s day 4

01:54:00 - Day 5

01:59:55 - Elise’s weird encounters

02:08:20 - Zach’s day 5

02:10:45 - Stay Salty: If you could turn any everyday activity into an Olympic sport, what would you win gold in?

Segments

QOTD: Would you rather find the perfect stick or the perfect rock?

Triple Crown of John Travolta Movies

One Minute Gear Reviews

Mail Bag

5 Star Review

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A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Ben Love, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Rebecca Brave, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, Tracy ‘Trigger’ Fawns

A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bonnie Ackerman, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Lauren Cain, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by LMNT, we are joined by James Appleton. James is a walking encyclopedia on all things Adirondacks, hosting a podcast dedicated to the park, having authored a book about its lore, and he serves as a hiking guide throughout the region. James gives us the rundown on these rugged 46ers, including superlatives like his favorite, the most underrated, the most overrated, and the best for beginners. He also provides a primer on the Northville-Placid Trail, shares the best and worst times to experience the park, and offers an overview of the Lake Placid 9’er, a challenge he created. James also gives us the lowdown of how awkward it is to be on a film set during a sex scene. 

We wrap up the show with the news of Hurricane Helene's historic destruction throughout the southern Appalachias, and how people can contribute to the relief and recovery efforts, the triple crown of commercials (including how our editor's dad is the commercial GOAT), whether you'd rather find cockroaches or a body in your attic, and the full rundown of going to Buffalo for the MNF Bills game.

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Interview with James Appleton

• James' Instagram
• 46 Outdoors Co Website
• Seek To Do More Website

Time stamps & Questions

00:06:15 - Reminders: Join us in Denver on December 7th! Apply to be a 2025 blogger and support us on Patreon for exclusive bonus content!

00:12:05 - Introducing James

00:12:53 - What was your introduction to the outdoors?

00:15:27 - What are the hot spots in Lake Placid?

00:18:05 - Tell us about the Blue Line Bakery

00:20:00 - Tell us about working in the film industry

00:23:00 - What’s the coolest movie you’ve worked on?

00:24:30 - Tell us about working on a sex scene

00:27:25 - Is it difficult to hike peaks with a lot of muscle on your upper body?

00:31:30 - Discussion about Adirondack hiking culture

00:36:20 - What are the most common 46ers to start off with?

00:38:35 - Do you need map and compass skills?

00:40:31 - Tell us about the Lake Placid 9er

00:42:20 - What led you into losing weight and how did it work for you?

00:44:57 - What was your guilty pleasure snack?

00:46:30 - Was it hard to workout while cutting carbs out?

00:48:27 - What are the highlights of the Northville Placid Trail?

00:53:00 - Discussion about James’ podcast

00:54:42 - What equipment do you bring onto the trail for recording audio?

00:56:00 - Do you have free time?

00:59:41 - What goes into becoming a guide?

01:02:03 - What are your favorite peaks to hike?

01:04:00 - Which peaks do people put off hiking?

01:05:00 - What’s the best peak for beginners?

01:06:15 - What are some underrated mountains that are not 46ers?

01:07:00 - What peak have you done the most?

01:08:00 - What’s the wet season in the Adirondacks?

01:09:40 - What are the shelters like on the NPT?

01:12:20 - When should people visit the Adirondacks if they had any week of the year?

01:13:35 - When are hikers normally done with the NPT by?

01:16:00 - Discussion about bugs

01:18:06 - Do you have plans to hike in other areas?

01:21:15 - Tell us about your upcoming book

01:22:40 - Can you give us a quick campfire story?

01:26:31 - Stay Salty Question: What’s your outdoors hot take?

01:28:00 - Where can people keep up with you?

Segments

Trek Propaganda: Want To Help AT Communities Recover From Hurricane Helene? Here’s How by Kelly Floro

QOTD: Which would you rather find living in your attic, 1000 roaches or a person?

Triple Crown of commercials

Mail Bag

5 Star Review

Road Trip Update

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A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bonnie Ackerman, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Lauren Cain, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek brought to you by LMNT, we are joined by Jen Jacobsson-Melo & Livio Melo, co-founders of Allmansright, an ultralight gear company located in the Bronx. We learn all about their humble beginnings, including when Allmansright's gear was made in the corner of their 500-square-foot apartment, how a serendipitous run in with a fellow backpacker in Colorado's backcountry led to their first pre-order, how they've scaled up their operation, what it's like running a gear shop in the Bronx, where they draw inspiration for their designs, other small cottage brands doing interesting and good work from around the world, and much more. 

We wrap the show with what the contents of our body and blood would be, the triple crown of the worst places to have raging diarrhea, and some teasers from our Northville Placid Trail Hike.

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Interview with Livio & Jen

• allmansright Instagram
• allmansright Website
• REI Founders Story

Time stamps & Questions

00:04:55 - Reminders: Join us in Denver on December 7th! Apply to be a 2025 blogger and support us on Patreon for exclusive bonus content!

00:07:55 - Introducing Jen & Livio

00:08:45 - What is allemansrätten?

00:10:50 - Tell us about moving to the US from the Dominican Republic

00:12:32 - What is the outdoor culture like in the Dominican Republic?

00:14:20 - Do you prefer being in the Dominican Republic or the US?

00:18:55 - What was the journey to you starting to make your own gear?

00:22:20 - How did you know how to make items?

00:24:00 - Tell us about your trip to Colorado

00:25:50 - How did you make gear in your 500 sq foot apartment?

00:30:30 - How do you balance gear orders with regular life?

00:31:35 - Tell us about going to design school

00:35:00 - What other gear companies serve as inspiration for you?

00:41:00 - What piece of gear are you most proud of?

00:43:40 - Do you have any plans to make a larger version of the pack?

00:45:00 - Discussion about the Krafs Stuff Sack

00:49:00 - Do you have any plans to break into the shelter space?

00:50:00 - Tell us about your shop in the Bronx

00:51:30 - Tell us about the hiker community in NYC

00:53:30 - What are some of the cool hiking opportunities near New York City?

00:57:29 - Have you experimented with apparel at all?

00:59:40 - Are there any materials you’re excited about?

01:01:00 - Discussion about creating new products

01:03:52 - What is your goal around sustainability?

01:04:35 - Discussion about packs

01:06:17 - Stay Salty Question: What’s your outdoors hot take?

Segments

Trek Propaganda: 6 Gas Station Resupply Recipes for Thru-Hikers by Kimberly Fetherston

QOTD: What is your body and blood?

Triple Crown of the worst places to have uncontrollable diarrhea

Mail Bag

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A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Ben Love, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Rebecca Brave, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, Tracy ‘Trigger’ Fawns

A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bonnie Ackerman, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Lauren Cain, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by LMNT, we are joined by Ian Mangiardi aka "Dusty". For those of you who've read Appalachian Trials, you're already familiar with Ian’s name, as he served as my pre AT thru-hike guru and therapist. Ian gives us a full rundown on his triple crown treks, including being dumped on two of the three hikes, how he and Andy Laub (former guest) formed an instant bromance on the first week of the AT, the filming of As It Happens, their PCT documentary with more than a million on YouTube, and some wild excursions in Mongolia and Bhutan. 

We wrap the show with whether bringing terminal food onto the plane makes you a sociopath, the triple crown of New York things, and you can now officially get your tickets for our Denver Live Podcast with Kyle Hates Hiking and Holiday Hiker Meetup Extravaganza!

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Interview with Ian Mangiardi

• Ian's Website
• Ian's Instagram
• As It Happens

Time stamps & Questions

00:04:45 - Reminders: Join us in Denver on December 7th! Apply to be a 2025 blogger and support us on Patreon for exclusive bonus content!

00:07:10 - Introducing Ian

00:08:07 - How do Zach and Ian know each other?

00:12:13 - How did Ian and Andy meet?

00:14:12 - Tell us about your breakup

00:16:22 - What was your outdoors experience prior to the AT?

00:19:20 - How did you learn what gear you needed?

00:20:50 - Tell us about your second on-trail breakup

00:26:30 - Did you end the hike stronger than you started?

00:29:20 - Tell us about your friend fight

00:37:00 - Have you ever had a tramily other than Andy?

00:38:26 - How did you and Andy become friends?

00:40:30 - Was it an especially wet year on the AT?

00:43:45 - What fun stories do you have from the AT?

00:50:00 - Ian’s surprise trail magic

00:55:00 - Tell us about going from the AT to the PCT

00:57:01 - Chaunce’s As It Happens story

00:59:45 - Did you both film?

01:00:25 - How did you split up the workload?

01:02:17 - Tell us about getting caught in a snowstorm

01:04:20 - Tell us about kicking a rock off a cliff

01:06:00 - How did you decide what to cut out of the film?

01:09:14 - Did you hike the AT in spandex shorts?

01:10:45 - Do you still use a sleeping bag liner?

01:14:45 - Do you feel strongly about any other nontraditional gear items?

01:17:00 - Tell us about the New Explorers Award

01:20:45 - Tell us about the Kings Challenge in Bhutan

01:25:40 - What is the Explorers Club?

01:27:45 - What has changed in the world of thru-hiking?

01:30:26 - Where can people keep up with you?

01:32:28 - What’s your best poop story?

Segments

Trek Propaganda: Everything You Need To Know To Plan an International Thru-Hike by Kelly Floro

QOTD:  Is it messed up to bring airport terminal food onto the plane with the intent of eating it once you’re in your seat?

Triple Crown of New York things

Mail Bag

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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.

A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Ben Love, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Rebecca Brave, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, Tracy ‘Trigger’ Fawns

A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bonnie Ackerman, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Lauren Cain, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, we are joined by thru-hiker, gear maker, YouTuber, musician, and dare I say philosopher, John Z. John Z has hiked it all, including the triple crown trails, the Arizona Trail, Colorado Trail- in 10 days, setting the unsupported FKT on the way, which was a side trip during his PCT thru-hike- the Great Divide Trail, Pacific Northwest Trail, the Death Valley Loop, amongst others. He gives us an overview of these trips, the inspiration behind starting Pa'Lante Packs and now Meadow Physics Gear, why he doesn't hike with a water filter or satellite communicator, his tendency toward being a "water princess," the time he barked at a cow and the cow fought back, his run-ins with an angry black bear and a mountain lion, and much more.

We wrap the show by unveiling our adult film star names, the triple crown of campaign promises 2.0, and Chuance leaves us a mailbag.

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Interview with John Z

• Meadow Physics
• John's Youtube
• John's Instagram

Time stamps & Questions

00:02:40 - Reminders: Join us for a live show in Denver on December 7! Support us on Patreon for exclusive bonus content!

00:05:18 - Introducing John Z

00:06:22 - What’s your background in the outdoors?

00:08:15 - If you had to pick only bikepacking or backpacking forever, which would it be?

00:09:50 - What led you to long distance backpacking?

00:11:29 - Did you start off ultralight?

00:14:15 - How did you transition from bikepacking?

00:16:04 - What was your biggest gear mistake early on?

00:18:20 - Tell us about making gear

00:21:54 - What were the vibes like in the desert on the PCT?

00:23:35 - How do you get trail beta?

00:25:07 - In what area do you think there’s the most room for improvement in gear?

00:27:03 - Tell us about the shelter you designed

00:30:00 - Tell us about your recent engagement

00:34:45 - How do you juggle a relationship with hiking?

00:36:35 - What’s the longest food carry you’ve done?

00:38:40 - Aside from light gear, what goes into long mileage days?

00:40:20 - What kind of food do you pack?

00:44:15 - Discussion about the Colorado Trail FKT

00:47:10 - What other FKTs have you attempted?

00:49:48 - Tell us the cow story

00:52:55 - Tell us the bear story

00:54:00 - Tell us the mountain lion story

00:56:40 - Tell us about your Alaska trip

00:58:50 - Why don’t you like to use a water filter?

01:00:30 - Discussion about tea

01:02:10 - What’s something you’ve gone on a deep dive on recently?

01:04:20 - What podcasts do you listen to while hiking?

01:06:04 - What don’t you like about the AT?

01:08:20 - What’s in your pack for a thru-hike?

01:11:35 - What do you do for bug protection?

01:14:00 - How do you pack your pack?

01:17:09 - Do you ever use a pack with a frame system?

01:17:55 - Tell us about the Death Valley Loop

01:20:20 - Are you more drawn to trails or routes?

01:21:20 - Do you think about your legacy?

01:22:17 - Is there any competition in route making?

01:23:00 - Tell us about the Great Divide Trail

01:25:00 - What trails do you keep repeating?

01:27:00 - Are you still making Youtube videos?

01:30:24 - What prompted you to take your channel down?

01:31:36 - What fabrics are you excited about right now?

01:33:55 - What’s next for you?

Segments

Trek Propaganda

• 2024 Appalachian Trail Thru-Hikers: Submit Your Completion Photos
• 272 Miles in Less Than 4 Days: William Peterson Sets New Long Trail FKT by Kimberly Fetherston

QOTD:  If you were an adult film star, what would your stage name be?

Triple Crown of campaign promises 2.0

Mail Bag

5 Star Review

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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.

A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Ben Love, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Rebecca Brave, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, Tracy ‘Trigger’ Fawns

A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bonnie Ackerman, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Lauren Cain, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.

In today's episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek and brought to you by Topo Athletic, we are doing a thorough breakdown of the differences and similarities between the Appalachian Trail and the Pacific Crest Trail. We are joined by Trek Bloggers, Abby Evans, aka “Shitwater Fireball: Queer of the Salamanders" and Hannah “Spring” Goodman, who are both 2024 PCT thru-hikers, and had previously thru-hiked the AT as well. We talk about the differences in overall difficulty, including weather, terrain, logistics, and gear, the difference in trail cultures, the various highs and lows, and ultimately, each person gives which of the two trails they prefer overall. The results may surprise you.

We wrap the show with some news of a positive update on the new Lyme disease vaccine, who we would trade bodies with and what we would do first, the triple crown of streaming services, and a reader prompts Chaunce into giving us a more detailed breakdown about the time she pooped into a mountain house bag in her tent.

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Panel with Abby Evans aka “Shitwater Fireball” and Hannah “Spring” Goodman

• Spring's Instagram
• Shitwater's Instagram

Time stamps & Questions

00:05:30 - Reminders: Come to our Brooklyn meetup TODAY (September 16)! And support us on Patreon for exclusive bonus content and get your tickets for our live Denver show on December 7!

00:07:50 - Introducing Shitwater & Spring

00:09:03 - Spring, how did you get into the outdoors?

00:10:20 - Shitwater, how did you get into the outdoors?

00:12:57 - What are your trail name origin stories?

00:16:00 - What backpacking trips did you do before the AT?

00:17:08 - How has your PCT experience been?

00:18:27 - Zach & Chaunce’s AT/PCT experience

00:19:10 - AT vs. PCT: Overall difficulty

00:25:00 - Discussion about fire logistics and impacts

00:28:16 - Zach & Chaunce’s difficulty comparison between the trails

00:32:30 - Discussion about hike mindset between the AT and PCT

00:47:22 - What was the hardest part of skipping miles on the PCT?

01:01:00 - AT vs. PCT: Social experience

01:11:35 - Do you think being on trail was a good place to process the breakup?

01:18:00 - Chaunce’s trail social experiences

01:33:25 - AT vs. PCT: Gear differences

01:50:20 - How much rain did you experience on the PCT?

01:54:40 - AT vs. PCT: Highs and lows

02:14:20 - If you could only pick on trail for the rest of your life, which would you pick?

02:17:30 - Where can we keep up with you?

Segments

Rapid Fire Interviews

• James “Almost Famous” Townsend
• Rachael “Pack Rat” Davis
• Katherine “Willy” Baals
• Sean Durkin aka TreeBeard

Trek Propaganda: Lyme Disease Vaccine Passes Stage Three Trials by Kimberly Featherston

QOTD: If you could trade bodies with someone for a day who would be and what would you do first?

Triple Crown of streaming services

Mail Bag

5 Star Review

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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.

A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Ben Love, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Dayne, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Liz Seger, Patrick Cianciolo, Rebecca Brave, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, Tracy ‘Trigger’ Fawns

A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bonnie Ackerman, David, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Joann Menzer, Katharine Rudzitis, Lauren Cain, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, and Ruth S.