In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, we’re joined by Whitney La Ruffa, better known in the world of backpacking as “Allgood.” Allgood is the former president of ALDHA-West, the current Chief Revenue Officer at FarOut, and a certified backpacking OG—his first thru-hike dates all the way back to the early ’90s (some of you weren’t even alive then… which is weird). 

Since that first trek, Allgood has racked up an impressive list of trails, including the JMT, Wonderland Trail, Chinook Trail, Sierra High Route, PCT, CDT, and others. In this episode, we dive into stories from his countless miles on trail, his passion for backpacking food—he’s a bona fide backcountry chef, as evidenced by him freeze drying his own meals—and he spills the beans on some of his favorite trail-tested recipes. 

We also chat about how a chance encounter on the AT led him to adopt his dog, Erwin, and how Erwin has deepened his love for dogs in general. 

Beyond the trail, we get Allgood’s take on how backpacking has evolved since the 1990s, hear a heartfelt update on the health of former guest and beloved trail icon Renee "She-ra" Patrick, and unpack some of the recent bumps in the road for FarOut.

We wrap the show with how Damascus has bounced back in the wake of Hurricane Helene, if animals could talk, which species would be the most annoying, and the triple crown of states we'd draft in a civil war.

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Interview with Whitney “Allgood” La Ruffa

• Allgood's Instagram
• Allgood's Blog

Time stamps & Questions

00:04:25 - Reminders: Listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon, hold the Trek’s tent for us, apply to blog for the Trek!

00:11:00 - Introducing Allgood

00:15:52 - How has the world of thru-hiking changed from the early 90’s to now?

00:21:05 - Do you have any strong stances in which you’re a curmudgeon?

00:28:35 - Do you think there are more entitled hikers today?

00:36:05 - Tell us about your dog

00:43:00 - What’s the key to maintaining a dog’s longevity?

00:46:30 - Do you have a strong opinion about fresh/refrigerated dog food?

00:47:30 - Tell us about ridgerunning with Erwin

00:50:13 - Did you do any thru-hiking between 1996 and 2011?

00:52:45 - Tell us about the Chinook Trail

00:54:40 - Have you picked up any parallel hobbies?

00:56:55 - What meals do you make on trail?

00:59:20 - Discussion about dehydrating and freeze-drying food

01:02:40 - Do you have a go-to dehydrated recipe?

01:04:00 - Is there an easy way to tell if meat is fatty?

01:07:20 - Is gear a passionate subject for you?

01:10:05 - What’s the latest with She-Ra?

01:12:30 - How’d you get involved with ALDHA-West?

01:16:40 - How much time did you put in weekly while you were president?

01:19:35 - How’d you get connected with Six Moon Designs?

01:21:10 - What does the typical person not know about the cottage gear industry?

01:24:35 - What’s the next step for FarOut?

01:28:30 - Is there anything cool you’ve learned about FarOut since working there?

01:32:27 - How will FarOut address some of the other beef people have had with the app?

01:35:40 - Where can people keep up with you?

Segments

Trek Propaganda: “We’re Back!” 8 Months After Hurricane Helene Devastation, Damascus Shines in Trail Days 2025 by Kelly Floro

QOTD:  If animals could talk, which species would be the most annoying?

Triple Crown of states you would draft in the next civil war

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In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Topo Athletic, we are joined by Julia Sheehan, known on trail, as Rocket. Julia is a thru-hiker, former Trek Vlogger, social media sensation, nurse, and now a published author. Julia details how impulsive decision-making lead her to the wonderful world that is thru-hiking, inspired in part by everyone’s favorite Hiking Viking. Rocket also shares how health issues ultimately forced her off-trail, the unsavory response she’s gotten from some in the social media sphere in light of “quitting” and subsequently posting non-hiking content. Julia also shares the process in self-publishing her brand new book, Hiking is the Easy Part, a memoir of her thru-hike on the AT.

We wrap the show with some news about Trail Correspondents 2026 edition, the story of a hiker that was found alive at a popular PCT pitstop after being lost in the backcountry for weeks, how much weight people lose during an AT thru-hike (and why it's generally not a good long term weight loss strategy), Chaunce and I have a borderline-impossible coincidence during today's QOTD, and the triple crown of albums.

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Interview with Julia “Rocket” Sheehan

• Rocket's Instagram
• Rocket's Youtube
• Rocket's Blog

Time stamps & Questions

00:05:30 - Reminders: Sign up for the Trek’s newsletter, listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon and apply to blog for the Trek!

00:07:45 - Introducing Rocket

00:08:20 - Tell us about your social media journey

00:15:30 - Did you ever feel like you could make a living from social media?

00:17:10 - Tell us about your background in the military

00:19:30 - How did you transition from the military to nursing?

00:21:15 - Can you talk about running from things prior to thru-hiking?

00:23:00 - Discussion about Rocket’s eating disorder

00:27:50 - What got you to the AT?

00:32:00 - What was the beginning of the AT like?

00:34:45 - At what point did thru-hiking click for you?

00:38:57 - What’s the hard part of thru-hiking?

00:43:00 - Tell us about the half gallon challenge

00:45:15 - How did you get your trail name?

00:48:00 - What did you think of the AZT?

00:50:20 - How did covid impact your hike?

00:52:35 - Did you encounter rattlesnakes or other creatures?

00:53:40 - What was the water situation like early in the season?

00:54:14 - Tell us about starting the CDT SOBO?

00:57:45 - What was the commentary like when you got off trail?

01:00:50 - How did you end up on the PCT?

01:02:10 - Tell us the story about getting off the PCT

01:06:50 - Did your nursing background help you diagnose anything?

01:07:50 - What was the backlash after getting off the PCT?

01:12:40 - What yoga poses would you recommend to thru-hikers?

01:14:14 - How is your health now?

01:16:40 - Tell us about writing your book

01:20:25 - What’s the most revealing thing you put in the book?

01:22:42 - How’s the early response been for the book?

01:25:10 - What’s next for you?

01:27:01 - Peak Performance Question: What is your top performance-enhancing or backpacking hack?

Segments

Trek Propaganda:

• Missing Sierra Hiker Found Alive at Popular PCT Pitstop After Weeks Lost in the Backcountry by Katie Jackson
• AT Thru-Hikers Are Losing a Shocking Amount of Weight On-Trail: Here’s How To Not Lose Too Much by Katie Jackson

QOTD:  What’s something you learned embarrassingly late in life?

Triple Crown of albums

Mail Bag

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In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by LMNT, we are joined by Chris Brunton aka “Trailboss”. Trailboss is a legendary force in the construction and maintenance of the Appalachian Trail, most notably, the infamous Rollercoaster section of the trail through Virginia.  Trailboss enlightens us with some history of the trail, the process for procuring the trail’s corridor through that section, how he met his wife (CEO of the Appalachian Trail Conservancy) Sandi Marra, why he dedicates his life to the AT, and much more.

We wrap the show with a brief overview of the difference between freezing and refrigerating food for Chaunce, the triple of the longest minutes, and a listener provides a hack for staying hydrated when you can’t reach the side pockets on your pack.

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Interview with Chris “Trailboss” Brunton

Time stamps & Questions

00:05:20 - Trail Days Day 2

00:13:25 - Reminders: Sign up for the Trek’s newsletter, listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon and apply to blog for the Trek!

00:15:30 - Introducing Trailboss

00:18:00 - Tell us about growing up in England

00:21:00 - How did you get started doing trail work?

00:33:00 - What brought you to the US?

00:37:00 - What was it like to emigrate to the US?

00:38:55 - How did you deal with the aftermath of handshake agreements?

00:42:10 - What was the mindset when building the Rollercoaster section?

00:47:50 - When did the section get its name and its sign?

00:53:40 - What is the motive in purchasing land near the trail corridor?

00:54:50 - What are the positive benefits of the ATC?

01:02:00 - Discussion about Benton McCaye and Myron Avery

01:06:40 - What are the rewarding aspects of doing trail maintenance?

01:12:30 - How did the PATC get started?

Segments

Trek Propaganda: “We Are Transforming These Mountains in a Way Humans Have Never Seen”: The Future of the Sierra Nevada, John Muir’s Range of Light by Karl Ford

QOTD:  Does ice cream expire and if so why?

Triple Crown of the longest minutes

Mail Bag

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In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio, presented by The Trek, brought to you by Topo Athletic, we are joined by Jamie Lambert. We learn why Jamie doesn’t have a trail name, and why it’s definitely not Strap On, what it’s like to thru-hike with your sister- which she did on the PCT in 2018, what it is about thru-hiking that makes it so addictive for her- having taken on long hikes every year over the last 8 seasons, what it’s like to become social media famous, and much more.

We wrap the show with an overview from day one of Trail Days, some new legislation that could result in finally completing the CDT, why a section of the PCT has been closed for MYLFs, our BS TED talks, and the triple crown of words we'll never pronounce correctly.

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Interview with Jamie Lambert

• Jamie's Instagram

Time stamps & Questions

00:05:00 - Trail Days Day 1 Recap

00:11:00 - Introducing Jamie

00:14:00 - How did you decide to hike the PCT with your sister?

00:18:45 - What’s it like working for an orthodontist?

00:23:18 - What was it like to hike with your sister?

00:30:00 - Discussion about the Colorado Trail

00:35:08 - What is it about thru-hiking that you love?

00:37:45 - Have you hit a fork in the road feeling about thru-hiking?

00:41:10 - If you had to settle somewhere, where would you choose?

00:45:15 - What’s the brief overview of the Tour du Mont Blanc?

00:47:15 - Why do people hike counter clockwise?

00:51:20 - Discussion about lodging and towns along the TMB

00:53:00 - Are there places along the trail where you could stay a few days?

00:55:10 - Discussion about guiding services on the TMB

00:56:51 - What time of year would you recommend?

01:00:30 - What changes in items did you carry?

01:01:45 - When did you know you wanted to hike the CDT too?

01:05:22 - Discussion about hiking the AT third

01:08:40 - How do you handle people fangirling around you?

01:11:02 - What’s been the highlight of the AT for you so far?

01:12:05 - What’s the most embarrassing thing that’s happened to you while hiking?

01:14:05 - What’s the scariest thing that’s happened to you while hiking?

01:18:00 - Do you have any advice for solo female backpackers?

01:22:25 - What’s your biggest beginner blunder?

01:24:44 - What do your resupplies look like these days?

01:30:00 - What shoes are you using?

01:33:30 - Peak Performance Question: What is your top performance enhancing or backpacking hack?

01:35:25 - Reminders: Take our survey! Listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon and apply to blog for the Trek!

Segments

Trek Propaganda: 

• 47 Years Later, the CDT Still Isn’t Complete — New Legislation in Congress Aims To Change That by Katie Jackson
• This Section of the PCT Has Been Closed for 20 Years. The Reason? MYLFs by Kelsey Nannini

QOTD:  If you had to give a TED Talk on something you're not a real expert on—but could fake it—what topic would you choose?

Triple Crown of words you’ll never pronounce correctly

Mail Bag

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In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by LMNT, we are giving you the lowdown on everything to do with lightning safety. We are joined by Charlie Woodrum who is the Preparedness and Resilience Lead with National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s National Weather Service. We learn all about the biggest myths regarding lightning safety (including how metal trekking poles aren’t an added risk while backpacking), clear guidance on minimizing risk when caught in a thunderstorm, telltale signs of when the weather is going to turn, at what distance from a lightning strike are you considered safe, and much more.

We wrap the show with some new YouTube videos from The Trek, the scariest weather Zach and Chaunce have ever encountered, Zach's new stupidest thing of the week: fork edition, and the triple crown of juices.

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Interview with Charlie Woodrum

• Charlie's NOAA Profile

Time stamps & Questions

00:05:20 - Reminders: listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon, and apply to blog for the Trek!

00:11:15 - Introducing Charlie

00:12:20 - Tell us about NOAA

00:14:02 - How did you initially get into weather?

00:16:56 - Do meteorologists have certain traits?

00:19:03 - What is the perfect date for weather?

00:22:50 - Are you ever bored when the weather is calm?

00:23:35 - Are there hot topics in the meteorology community?

00:25:57 - Do you have any crazy storm chasing stories?

00:34:11 - What are the biggest misconceptions about lightning?

00:36:28 - What should you do when hiking above treeline?

00:38:00 - Is the timing between thunder and lightning real?

00:39:24 - What are your recommended weather apps?

00:40:40 - How far away should you be from lightning strikes to be considered safe?

00:41:35 - Do you find that free weather apps are sufficient?

00:42:50 - What are some of the early signs of a thunderstorm forming?

00:44:11 - What are the cues for specific locations?

00:46:45 - Do you not have to worry about lightning before you hear thunder?

00:47:56 - Where should you be when in a forest? 

00:50:00 - Is the lightning crouch still recommended?

00:51:30 - What if there’s no treeline around?

00:53:30 - Where should you put your tent?

00:57:00 - What percentage of lightning strikes are fatal?

00:59:40 - What do you do if someone gets struck by lightning?

01:02:05 - Should hikers be concerned about metal objects they’re carrying?

01:03:30 - What about bodies of water?

01:04:40 - What are some obvious questions that we haven’t asked?

01:06:35 - What should you do if you feel tingly or there’s static in the air?

01:08:27 - At what percentage of forecasted storms would you feel comfortable going outside?

01:11:00 - When is it safe to go back up to the treeline?

01:12:00 - Are there places where weather is harder to predict?

01:14:05 - What impact do you think AI will have on the future of forecasting?

01:16:16 - Are there any tech innovations that you’re excited about?

01:17:30 - Where can people keep up with you?

Segments

Trek Propaganda: Is Hiking the Appalachian Trail Solo a Terrible Idea? By Katie Jackson

QOTD: What’s the scariest weather you’ve ever encountered?

Triple Crown of juices

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A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Benjy Lowry, Bonnie Ackerman, Brett Vandiver, Chris Pyle, David, David Neal, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Greg Floravanti “Lumberjack”, Jack Greene, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, Ruth S, and Spencer Hinson.

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Topo Athletic, we are joined by Jonathan Thomas, known on trail as Janis Joplin. Janis Joplin is a thru-hiker, FKT record holder, D1 collegiate track and field athlete, former news cameraman, Boston Marathon bombing survivor, CDT trail angel, and owner of Exotic Pax, an innovative, vest-style backpack for thru-hikers handmade in Chama, New Mexico. This episode covers a lot of ground, including the many times he’s narrowly escaped death, what is was like growing up in New Orleans, being a D1 collegiate athlete, what brought him into the world of FKTs and how FKT athletes are more possessive over their records than they might lead on, what it’s like to run an outfitter in a sleepy CDT town, and the inspiration and process that goes into his unique backpacks.

We wrap the show with a reversal on the closure of a campground key to JMT and PCT hikers, our takes on who’d win in a fight between 100 men and one silverback gorilla, and the Triple Crown of items you geniously stash in many strategic locations.

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Interview with Jonathan Thomas aka JJ

• JJ's Instagram
• JJ's Youtube
• Exotic Pax Website
• Tumble On Outfitters Website

Time stamps & Questions

00:05:34 - Reminders: Take our survey, listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon, and apply to blog for the Trek!

00:09:25 - Introducing JJ

00:10:28 - What’s it like growing up in New Orleans?

00:18:10 - Tell us about working for a news channel

00:21:40 - What’s the most interesting scene you ever shot from?

00:24:30 - What were the highlights from the local news industry?

00:26:50 - What events did you do at LSU?

00:30:00 - Discussion about biking in Baton Rouge

00:34:20 - What personality differences were there between swimmers and runners?00:35:25 - Why did you walk on to the team at LSU?

00:37:35 - Tell us about running the Boston marathon

00:40:40 - How did you get into hiking?

00:43:20 - How did the PCT compare to running?

00:44:12 - How have you processed the trauma you’ve gone through?

00:48:27 - Did the calm on a long trail draw you in?

00:50:10 - Tell us about attempting to do an FKT in the middle of your PCT thru-hike

00:53:40 - What are the differences between the different distances of running?

00:59:25 - What are the differences between preparing for an FKT and for road running?

01:03:40 - How do you train for the unexpected?

01:12:15 - What’s the wildest hallucination you’ve had?

01:17:00 - Is it difficult to maintain motivation during your FKT attempt?

01:26:20 - Discussion about JJ’s Oregon FKT

01:29:30 - Wheel spin

01:36:25 - Tell us about the Oregon FKT

01:39:50 - Why did you carry a cast iron on the trail?

01:45:40 - Tell us about your interactions with foxes

01:49:45 - What other meals do you make on trail?

01:56:20 - What’s the inspiration for your company?

02:03:40 - What are the main stitches used in backpacking gear?

02:09:12 - Discussion about Exotic Pax

02:12:30 - How did Tate find you to make his pack?

02:16:27 - Tell us about the process with making custom packs

02:18:00 - Which model of backpack is the most popular?

02:20:40 - Tell us about the zippered pocket

02:22:42 - Explain the vest functionality of your backpack

02:30:00 - Chaunce tries on the backpack

02:33:30 - How do you do the sizing?

02:37:20 - How did you decide to go for the PCT FKT this year?

02:39:00 - Where can people keep up with you?

02:39:48 - Peak Performance Question: What is your top performance-enhancing or backpacking hack?

Segments

Trek Propaganda: Yosemite Campground Closure Will Disrupt Backpackers — Including JMT and PCT Thru-Hikers by Katie Jackson

QOTD:  Who wins in a fight, 1 gorilla vs. 100 men?

Triple Crown of items you geniously stash in many strategic locations

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In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by LMNT, we are joined by Niki DiGaetano, known on trail as Phoenix. In addition to being a long distance backpacker, the bulk of today’s conversation centers around Niki’s work as a death doula. We learn, of course, what that work entails, how her experiences working with those at the end of their lives have reframed how she lives hers, advice for those currently processing the death of a loved one, dealing with anxieties around death, and much more.

We wrap the show with how the Appalachian Trail has changed over the last 10 years, ridiculous features we’d like to see added to a backpack, and the triple crown of last meal orders.

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Interview with Niki DiGaetano

• Niki's Website
• Niki's Instagram

Time stamps & Questions

00:05:10 - Reminders: Sign up for the Trek’s newsletter, listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon, and apply to blog for the Trek!

00:08:40 - Introducing Niki

00:10:19 - What is a death doula?

00:12:07 - How did you get into this field?

00:15:10 - How do you not get weighed down by the work?

00:17:05 - What does the training look like?

00:21:10 - What is the top piece of advice you have for preparing for a loved one’s passing?

00:23:10 - How do you help people cope with death anxiety?

00:25:30 - How often are people prepared for death?

00:29:42 - How does religion and spirituality play into your work?

00:31:30 - What do you think comes next?

00:35:50 - What advice do you have for people in the grieving process?

00:38:50 - What do you think about the 5 Stages of Grief?

00:41:30 - What are the common regrets of people who are dying?

00:45:30 - How has your work intersected with hiking long trails?

00:47:47 - Tell us about your past relationship

00:55:20 - How did the trail help you grow?

00:56:00 - How did you meet your current partner?

01:00:30 - What are your plans for the future in terms of your career and hiking?

01:02:57 - How do you balance offering advice to your friends and family?

01:05:00 - Discussion about death anxiety

01:07:10 - Do you have any advice for someone debating about doing a thru-hike?

01:09:20 - Tell us about the book you’re working on

01:10:37 - Stay Salty Question: What’s your hottest take in the world of backpacking - or death?

01:12:23 - Where can people keep up with you?

Segments

Trek Propaganda

• Where Do You Need a Bear Canister on the PCT? By Katie Jackson
• 10 Ways the Appalachian Trail Has Changed in the Last 10 Years by Kelly Floro

QOTD:  If you could add one ridiculous feature to a backpack—purely for entertainment—what would it be?

Triple Crown of last meal orders

Mail Bag

5 Star Review

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A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Benjy Lowry, Bonnie Ackerman, Brett Vandiver, Chris Pyle, David, David Neal, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Greg Floravanti “Lumberjack”, Jack Greene, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, Ruth S, and Spencer Hinson.

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, and brought to you by Topo Athletic, we’re coming to you live from Austin, Texas with our guest, Paul Magnanti, aka Mags, aka Pmags. A longtime co-host of The Trail Show and a triple crowner, Pmags has spent decades exploring trails across the country, with a special love for the Southwest. We dive into the future of public lands, hear some of his hot takes on gear,  including his love for 100-weight fleece pullovers, his beef with sun hoodies, and where hikers tend to overspend, and get a look at his go-to "snivel gear." Pmags also shares stories from some of his lesser-known adventures, including the Ring the Peak Trail, A Walk Across Southern Utah, the Northern New Mexico Loop, the Grand Moab Route, and the Southeast Utah Group Circuit. 

We wrap out the show with a rundown of the best sections of the Appalachian Trail (spoiler: #1 shocked our live audience), a "stupid thing of the week" (lost phone edition), a "gross or not gross" (chapstick edition), and the triple crown of trail towns.

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Interview with Paul Magnanti

• PMag's Website
• PMag's Instagram

Time stamps & Questions

00:07:05 - Reminders: Sign up for the Trek’s newsletter, listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon, and apply to blog for the Trek! Trek booth location

00:10:00 - Introducing PMags

00:10:40 - What’s your backpacking origin story?

00:12:17 - Have you backpacked in Texas?

00:14:00 - How many people in Rhode Island backpack?

00:16:25 - Tell us about being a “structured rambler” and living in Moab

00:19:20 - What advice do you have for thru-hikers to incorporate more rambling into their hikes?

00:21:30 - What’s your backpacking resume?

00:24:15 - What’s your take on what’s happening with public lands?

00:28:47 - What do you look for in a headlamp?

00:35:00 - Tell us your opinion about sun hoodies

00:40:40 - Have you had a midlife crisis yet?

00:41:30 - Tell us about your wife!

00:43:22 - Are you worried about microplastics?

00:45:02 - What camera do you use?

00:50:00 - Discussion about The Trail Show

00:51:40 - Tell us about the 100-weight pullover fleece

00:56:38 - Tell us about snivel gear

00:57:40 - What’s your solo baseweight for a typical trip?

01:00:18 - What’s your take on trowels?

01:03:05 - What’s your take on campfires in the west?

01:09:55 - Tell us about the Ring the Peak Trail

01:13:50 - Tell us about A Walk Across Southern Utah

01:16:20 - Discussion about the beer in Utah

01:17:20 - Tell us about the cultures of Colorado, Utah, and New Mexico

01:20:35 - How much research do you do prior to your ramblings?

01:22:08 - What are some places that people should know about?

01:23:40 - Have you seen any megafauna in etchings?

01:27:13 - Tell us about the Northern New Mexico Loop

01:30:35 - Tell us about the South East Utah Group (SEUG) Circuit

01:34:15 - How do you prepare for paddling trips?

01:35:50 - What’s your most embarrassing moment while backpacking?

01:36:45 - What’s your scariest encounter with wildlife?

01:37:45 - What’s your most recent mistake?

01:39:50 - Fuck Marry Kill: Utah, Colorado, New Mexico

01:41:40 - Peak Performance Question: What is your top performance-enhancing or backpacking hack?

01:42:40 - Where can people keep up with you?

Segments

Listener Q&A

Trek Propaganda:

• Appalachian Trail Conservancy Head Sandi Marra Announces Retirement by Katie Jackson
• Thru-Hikers Consistently Say These Are the 7 Best Sections of the Appalachian Trail by Katie Jackson

QOTD:  What’s a hill you’re willing to die on that has nothing to do with hiking?

Stupid Thing of the Week

Gross or Not Gross

Triple Crown of trail towns

Mail Bag

5 Star Review

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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.

A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Alex Kindle, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Brent Stenberg, Bryan Alsop, Carl Houde, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Ethan Harwell, Gillian Daniels, Greg Knight, Greg Martin, Greg McDaniel may he bring honor to his name, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Lauren F, Patrick Cianciolo, Rebecca Brave, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, Tracy ‘Trigger’ Fawns

A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Benjy Lowry, Bonnie Ackerman, Brett Vandiver, Chris Pyle, David, David Neal, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Greg Floravanti “Lumberjack”, Jack Greene, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, Ruth S, and Spencer Hinson.

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by LMNT, we are bringing you yet another edition of beginner backpacking mistakes. Today’s panel includes the debut of Jess Stone, 2024 AT and LT thru-hiker, and The Trek’s Community and Marketing Manager. We bring you 9 brand new thru-hiking pitfalls to avoid, including tips on sending mail drops, how to avoid letting small problems turn into big problems, dealing with toxic off-trail relationships before departing, hydration tips, why you shouldn’t invite friends and family on your trip, and much more.

We wrap the show with a call out to some Trek bloggers, the definitively correct orientation for silverware in the dishwasher, the triple crown of good horse names, and what not to eat before mailing important letters.

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Panel with Zach, Chaunce, and Jess

• Jess's Instagram
• Referenced episodes
  • BPR #112 | Beginner Backpacking Mistakes
  • BPR #160 | Beginner Backpacking Mistakes 2.0
  • BPR #97 | Ben Lawhon of Leave No Trace

Time stamps & Questions

00:06:20 - Reminders: Say hi to us at Trail Days, listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon, apply to blog for the Trek!

00:14:03 - Introducing Jess

00:17:32 - Zach’s Mistake #1: Overplanning, especially maildrops and daily mileage

00:24:00 - Chaunce’s Mistake #1: Not looking up LNT principles before your hike

00:29:00 - Jess’s Mistake #1: Not drinking enough water

00:32:20 - Zach’s Mistake #2: Letting small problems become big problems 

00:41:15 - Chaunce’s Mistake #2: If you don’t like who you’re dating at home, consider dumping them

00:47:20 - Jess’s Mistake #2: Inviting your friends/family to hike with you when you’ve been out for months

00:54:40 - Zach’s Mistake #3: Not considering the weight/space of everything

01:00:40 - Chaunce’s Mistake #3: Not taking photos of your stuff

01:08:45 - Jess’s Mistake #3: Marrying your trail family

01:23:15 - Stay Salty Question: What’s your hottest take in the world of backpacking?

01:28:20 - How was the AT?

Segments

Trek Propaganda: 20 Trek Bloggers You Should Be Following in 2025 by Jess

QOTD:  Silverware up or down in the dishwasher?

Hiker Trash Thing of the Week

Triple Crown of good horse names

Mail Bag

5 Star Review

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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.

A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Alex Kindle, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Brent Stenberg, Carl Houde, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Eathan Harwell, Gillian Daniels, Greg Alsop, Greg Knight, Greg Martin, Greg McDaniel, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Jason “The Snail” Snailer, Patrick Cianciolo, Rebecca Brave, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, Tracy ‘Trigger’ Fawns

A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Bonnie Ackerman, Brett Vandiver, Chris Pyle, David, David Neal, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Greg Floravanti “Lumberjack”, Jack Greene, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, Ruth S, and Spencer Hinson.

In today’s episode of Backpacker Radio presented by The Trek, brought to you by Topo Atheltic, we are joined by Jay “Meat Grinder” France. Meat Grinder is a thru-hiker, author, and 31-year veteran of the Air Force, having completed 10 deployments and graduated from Army Ranger School in the process. Jay details his military background, including some key similarities and differences relative to thru-hiking, how he used vlogging as a way to stay in touch with his sons on trail, and the hilarious blood nipple origin story of his trail name. Meat Grinder also recently served as a volunteer advocate for Hike The Hill, an annual event where trail advocates meet with U.S. Congress to promote policies and funding that support trails, public lands, and outdoor recreation. Jay offers some important advice for those who want to advocate for public lands, especially relevant in today’s climate.

We wrap the show with the top AT hostels, our triple crown of airplane snacks, and two completely unnecessary improvements to the Appalachian Trail.

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Interview with Jay “Meat Grinder” France

• Jay's Youtube
• Jay's Instagram
• Jay's Book, Five Million Steps

Time stamps & Questions

00:05:42 - Reminders: Take our survey! Say hi to us at Trail Days, listen to our episodes ad-free on Patreon, and apply to blog for the Trek!

00:09:33 - Introducing Jay

00:10:14 - When did you almost ambush AT hikers?

00:15:25 - Tell us about Army Ranger School

00:20:07 - Did you see alligators in Florida?

00:22:13 - How did you decide to join the military?

00:24:07 - Fuck Marry Kill: Jay’s US assignment locations

00:25:50 - Tell us about being a canine officer

00:29:44 - Tell us about your deployments after 911

00:32:25 - When did you have kids amidst your deployments? 

00:33:10 - What were some of the terrifying experiences?

00:35:50 - What do they teach you in Army Ranger School?

00:41:20 - Do you think you could have passed early on in your military years?

00:45:25 - Tell us about hiking the Wonderland Trail in 2003

00:48:25 - Do you have tips for people from the military getting started hiking?

00:49:40 - How did you decide to go on that hike?

00:51:10 - Did you still enjoy the hike?

00:52:30 - What led to your retirement from the military?

00:55:25 - How did you get your trail name?

01:03:00 - How did your family react to your decision to hike the PCT?

01:06:15 - How were the snow and fires on the PCT?

01:15:30 - How did you handle skipping miles due to the fires?

01:20:18 - What was your social environment like on the trail?

01:24:27 - Do you think unplugging was good for you?

01:26:55 - Did you know right away you’d do another thru-hike?

01:29:15 - Did the ranger school prepare you for the CT?

01:34:25 - Are your sons interested in hiking with you?

01:37:25 - Tell us about the Tahoe Rim Trail in 2023

01:40:12 - Tell us about your book

01:43:40 - What aspect of the book have you gotten the most positive feedback on?

01:47:00 - What were some of the mental health challenges you dealt with?

01:54:27 - Tell us about being a Hike the Hill advocate for the PCTA

01:59:38 - Do you have advice for people who want to get involved?

02:05:52 - Where can people go to keep up with you?

02:06:50 - Peak Performance Question: What is your top performance-enhancing or backpacking hack?

Segments

Trek Propaganda: The Best Hostels to Visit on the Appalachian Trail in 2025 by Katie Jackson

QOTD:  If you could make one completely unnecessary improvement to the Appalachian Trail, what would it be?

Triple Crown of airplane snacks

Mail Bag

5 Star Review

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Our theme song is Walking Slow by Animal Years.

A super big thank you to our Chuck Norris Award winner(s) from Patreon: Alex and Misty with NavigatorsCrafting, Alex Kindle, Andrew, Austen McDaniel, Brad & Blair Thirteen Adventures, Brent Stenberg, Carl Houde, Christopher Marshburn, Coach from Marion Outdoors, Derek Koch, Eric Casper, Erik Hofmann, Eathan Harwell, Gillian Daniels, Greg Alsop, Greg Knight, Greg Martin, Greg McDaniel, Griffin Haywood, Hailey Buckingham, Jason “The Snail” Snailer, Patrick Cianciolo, Rebecca Brave, Sawyer Products, SPAM, Timothy Hahn, Tracy ‘Trigger’ Fawns

A big thank you to our Cinnamon Connection Champions from Patreon: Bells, Bonnie Ackerman, Brett Vandiver, Chris Pyle, David, David Neal, Dcnerdlet, Emily Galusha, Greg Floravanti “Lumberjack”, Jack Greene, Jeanie, Jeanne Latshaw, Luke Netjes, Merle Watkins, Peter, Ruth S, and Spencer Hinson.