Journalist at The Atlantic, George Packer joined Thom to discuss his interpretation of the four Americas. America has fractured. People in the United States no longer agree on the nation’s purpose, values, history, or meaning. Is reconciliation even possible? Also Professor Richard Wolff joined Thom to explain that it is catastrophic to increase the debt ceiling.

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.