Today we are exploring an expansive and deeply provocative conversation between Ezra Klein and Rebecca Winthrop, featured in The Ezra Klein Show from The New York Times.

Winthrop is the director of the Center for Universal Education at the Brookings Institution and co-author of the recent book The Disengaged Teen: Helping Kids Learn Better, Feel Better and Live Better.

Their discussion takes us through a shifting landscape in education, altered by declining reading engagement among teens, rising classroom disaffection, and, most radically, the emergence of generative AI.

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