Whichever way you look at it, coronavirus is going to be with us for quite a while.

Elimination seems unlikely and overseas it’s infecting people in large numbers.

While cases remain low, there's always the risk of it reappearing.

So how do we avoid getting smashed by waves of coronavirus again and again and again?

On today's show:

* How do we make sure that our health system and economy doesn't get smashed every time there's a coronavirus wave?

* In a previous episode, Norman mentioned that coronavirus might come back in two or four years. Where would it go in between?

* Why do people often suffer more from COVID-19 in the second week?

And we are joined by two time Archibald Prize winner Del Kathryn Barton! She's here to talk about the Together In Art Kids project — an exhibition featuring kids' artwork about the coronavirus.

For more information, see togetherinart.org/kids