Over at Fox News, they’re marking a very important milestone. 

“It’s a big day for them,” says Angelo Carusone, president and CEO of Media Matters for America. “They’re very very proud of themselves. They’re very excited.” Yes, it’s been 25 years since Fox News came on the air—25 years of “refracting the absolute most absurd and destructive and deadly disinformation and misinformation from the right wing fever swamps,” Carusone tells co-hosts Molly Jong-Fast and Jesse Cannon on the latest episode of The New Abnormal. Also on the episode, Farah Stockman, member of the New York Times editorial board and author of American Made: What Happens to People When Work Disappears, talks about following the lives of three workers after they lost their factory jobs. Finally, Planned Parenthood president Alexis McGill Johnson offers her reaction to a federal judge’s pause on the Texas abortion ban.

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