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  • Ep. 136 (BEST OF HGCG) Put Me in a Box for the Last Time with Ina Coveney

    This week's episode is another special reshare from the vault—one that feels just as relevant today as it did when it first aired. Bree sits down with entrepreneur and business coach Ina Coveney to explore what happens when you're forced to rethink your career, your identity, and the stories you've been telling yourself about success.

    After being passed over for a promotion while on maternity leave, Ina made the difficult decision to leave corporate and build a business on her own terms. What follows is an honest conversation about entrepreneurship, resilience, and the invisible work of unlearning the need to earn approval. Along the way, Ina introduces a metaphor Bree still thinks about today: the two horses that pull every entrepreneur's chariot. One is the clients who keep us accountable. The other is the deeper purpose that carries us through the moments when motivation disappears.

    The conversation also explores the realities of being a working parent, from navigating guilt and societal expectations to recognizing that so much of the pressure we carry comes not from others—but from ourselves.

    What You'll Learn in This Episode
    • Why leaving corporate often requires unlearning years of conditioning 
    • The "two horses" that keep every entrepreneur moving: client accountability and a purpose that's bigger than yourself
    • Why entrepreneurship doesn't eliminate pressure—it simply gives you the opportunity to choose which pressures are worth carrying
    • How limiting beliefs about being liked can quietly keep us playing small in business and life
    • Practical ways to set expectations, establish boundaries, and navigate the tension between building a business and being present at home
    • Connect with Ina
      • Instagram: @inacoveney
      • Connect with Bree
        • Website: executiveunschool.com
        • Instagram: @breejohnsonofficial
        • 55 min
        • Ep. 135 (BEST OF HGCG) Finding Yourself as a Whole Person with Christy Bowman - White

          This week's episode is a special reshare from the vault — and one of the most listened-to conversations in the show's history. Bree sits down with Christy Bowman-White, who went from middle school dropout and teenage parent to principal of a Distinguished School in Washington state... and then burned out completely.

          Christy's story centers on a metaphor that's stuck with Bree ever since this conversation was first recorded: the basket. For years, Christy poured everything — her time, her identity, her worth — into the basket labeled "career," while every other basket in her life sat empty. Then the Mack truck came. In this episode, Christy gets honest about self-abandonment, the moment she realized her core value of "excellence" was really just perfectionism in disguise, and why emotional intelligence belongs at the foundation of leadership, not on the side as a soft skill.

          What You'll Learn in This Episode

          • Why so many high-achieving women hit the "I've made it" moment only to find the felt experience is the opposite of what they were promised
          • The basket metaphor: what happens when every egg goes into one area of life, and how to start identifying which of your own baskets are empty
          • How Stephen Covey's four quadrants can be used not just for time management, but as a map for where relationships, health, and sustainability actually live
          • Why emotional intelligence — starting with self-awareness — is the real foundation of effective, people-centered leadership
          • Connect with Christy

            • Christy's Website
            • Connect with Bree

              • Website: executiveunschool.com
              • Instagram: @breejohnsonofficial
              • 48 min
              • Ep. 134 Who Wants a Summertime Siesta?

                Something big is coming. Bree is pulling back the curtain on what the How Good Can It Get? team has been quietly building behind the scenes — and it might be the most exciting thing this podcast has ever produced.

                New guests. New series. Conversations so good she almost cried in the recording booth. Tune in to hear what's on the way and why the wait is going to be very, very worth it. The best is genuinely yet to come. How good can it get? You're about to find out.

                The Upcoming Series You're Going to Want to Tell Everyone About

                Exit Wounds is coming. Real women. Real exits. Corporate roles, multimillion-dollar businesses, marriages, partnerships, friendships — and in one case, an entire country. These are the stories of what happens when a woman finally stops holding on to what no longer fits and starts building the life waiting for her on the other side.

                Bree has already started recording. Her words: "I almost feel like crying."

                While you wait for the new series, the archives are full of exactly what you need right now. Bree is curating the best of How Good Can It Get? all summer long — the most downloaded, most shared, most life-changing episodes from nearly 70 countries of listeners. You may have heard some of them before. But you are not the same person you were then.

                Connect with Bree

                • Website: executiveunschool.com
                • Instagram: @breejohnsonofficial
                • 11 min
                • Ep. 133 Part 6 Work Isn't Working...How to Reclaim Joy

                  We've regulated. We've rewired. Now it's time to take your agency back. In the final installment of the Work Isn't Working series, Bree introduces the third step of the Work Recovery Method: Reclaim.

                  This episode is an honest look at the "good enough" zone so many high-achieving women quietly settle into, the victimhood cycle that keeps us pointing outward instead of turning the mirror around, and what actually becomes possible when you stop outsourcing your joy, your purpose, and your sense of self to circumstances you're waiting to change. Bree shares her own ongoing journey of shedding the shoulds, and offers a practical starting point for anyone who needs to begin reclaiming their life in small, powerful doses.

                  What You'll Learn in This Episode

                  • What the "good enough" zone actually looks and feels like from the inside, and why it's so easy to stay there
                  • Why dissatisfaction at work so often points outward, and what that pattern is really protecting
                  • How life is a series of small identity deaths, and why that's something to move toward rather than away from
                  • What Bree has shed over the past seven years and what it has made possible for her
                  • Why reclaiming yourself rarely requires a dramatic pivot, and what it more often looks like in practice
                  • The Love List exercise: what it is, how to build yours, and why it's a reclamation tool, not a productivity hack
                  • Why joy is not a reward for finishing your work
                  • The Love List Exercise

                    If big-picture reclamation feels too abstract for where you are right now, start here.

                    Make a list of 20 or more things that bring you genuine joy, pleasure, and happiness. Go small and specific. The first bite of ice cream on a hot day. A new bird at the feeder. A dog jumping into your lap. A particular song. A particular light.

                    The Work Recovery Method™: A Series Summary

                    • Regulate — Come back into your body. Create enough internal safety to think clearly.
                    • Rewire — Examine the agreements, beliefs, and conditioning running your life on autopilot. Choose differently.
                    • Reclaim — Stop outsourcing your agency, your joy, and your sense of self. Build from what is genuinely yours.
                    • This is an ongoing cycle, not a finish line. Two steps forward, one step back is still growth.

                      Connect with Bree

                      • Website: executiveunschool.com
                      • Instagram: @breejohnsonofficial
                      • 21 min
                      • Ep. 132 Part 5: Work Isn't Working...The Hardest Part REWIRE

                        Most of the rules running your life were written before you were old enough to question them.

                        In this episode, Bree introduces the second step of the Work Recovery Method — REWIRE — and breaks down the invisible operating system underneath all of our behavior: your ABCs (agreements, beliefs, and conditioning). If you've ever changed jobs and still ended up in the same cycle or pattern of dissatisfaction, this is the episode that explains why, and what to do about it.

                        Key Takeaways

                        • Your ABCs (agreements, beliefs, conditioning) are the operating system underneath all of your behavior — including the patterns you wish you could change.
                        • Changing your external circumstances won't interrupt a pattern that lives at this level. The work has to happen from the inside
                        • Neuroscience confirms the brain can form new neural pathways at any age but the new path will feel like a dirt road before it feels like a highway
                        • Rewiring starts with one question: what outcome am I experiencing, and is it one I actually want?
                        • The more aware you become of what's driving you, the more agency you feel and agency is what makes life feel expansive rather than reactive
                        • Reflection Question Take a look at one recurring pattern in your work or relationships. What agreement, belief, or conditioning might be sitting underneath it? Is it something you chose, or something you inherited?

                          Connect with Bree

                          Insta: @breejohnsonofficial

                          Website: www.executiveunschool.com

                          Keywords: rewiring beliefs, work recovery method, agreements beliefs conditioning, burnout patterns, why the same job problems keep happening, invisible operating system, neural pathways rewiring, autopilot behavior, self-worth and work, burnout recovery tools, subconscious patterns women, how to break work cycles, ambitious women burnout, conscious living, executive burnout

                          13 min
                        • Ep. 131 Part 4: Work Isn't Working, Now What? REGULATE
                          Work Isn't Working, Now What? Part 4: Regulate

                          When work stops working, the instinct is to think harder, plan faster, and do more. But what if the doing is exactly what's keeping you stuck? In part four of the Work Isn't Working series, Bree introduces the foundational step most high achievers skip entirely: regulation.

                          Before strategy, before decisions, before any meaningful next step, your nervous system needs to feel safe enough to think clearly. This episode explores why dysregulated states produce reactive choices, what nervous system regulation actually looks and feels like in practice, and how flipping the cultural script from Have, Do, Be to Be, Do, Have changes everything about how you build the life you actually want.

                          What You'll Learn in This Episode

                          • Why the mind-in-overdrive response to professional struggle works against you, not for you
                          • What happens in the brain during prolonged stress, and why "thinking your way out" has real physiological limits
                          • The difference between reactive decisions and grounded ones, and how to tell which you're making
                          • Bree's three personal regulation practices: no-headphone walks, hypnobreathwork, and meditation baths
                          • What makes any practice a true regulation practice, and why body-focused is the key distinction
                          • The Have, Do, Be sequence most of us inherited, and why reversing it to Be, Do, Have is where real momentum begins
                          • The Insight Worth Writing Down

                            Most of us have been living a Have, Do, Be sequence: get the thing, do the work, then finally feel at peace. The sequence that actually creates abundance and joy runs the other way. You be first, grounded and connected to yourself. From there, you do with clarity and intention. And then you have more of what you've been working toward, built on a foundation that can hold it.

                            Reflection Question

                            Where in your life have you been making decisions from a dysregulated state? And what would one small regulating practice this week make possible?

                            Connect with Bree

                            Website: executiveunschool.com 

                            Instagram: @breejohnsonofficial

                            Next in the Series

                            Part 5 of Work Isn't Working is coming next. Once you've regulated, a whole new question becomes available to you: what do you actually want? When you're not operating from chaos, that answer might surprise you.

                            If this episode resonated, share it with a woman in your life who needs permission to slow down before she speeds up.

                            28 min
                          • Ep. 130 Part 3: Work Isn't Working...When It's Your Whole Identity

                            What happens when the thing you built your entire identity around disappears? In this episode of Work Isn't Working, Bree gets personal — sharing how the intoxicating elixir of career success quietly consumed her identity through her twenties and into her thirties, until the whole thing came crashing down and forced her to ask the hardest question: Who am I without my work?

                            This is the episode for every high-achiever who has an easy answer to "what do you do" but a complicated one to "who are you."

                            In This Episode, You'll Hear: 

                            • Why work-based identity is so seductive and how it's designed to be
                            • The psychology of contingent self-worth and why it makes your nervous system treat setbacks like survival threats
                            • Why you can't think your way out of an identity crisis and what actually works
                            • The three-step Work Recovery Method: regulate, rewire, reclaim
                            • How Bree shed the habits, relationships, and even the dream home that didn't center her values
                            • Why rebuilding identity is slow, nonlinear, and the greatest gift you'll ever give yourself
                            • Key Takeaways

                              • Work-based identity isn't a character flaw — it's a seduction. Recognizing the pull is the first step.
                              • When your sense of self lives in your job title, your nervous system responds to every setback as a survival threat.
                              • You can't rewire what you can't see. Regulation has to come before reflection.
                              • Identity reconstruction happens decision by decision, not overnight.
                              • The people and habits that don't center your values are the first things to go.
                              • Reflection Question If you woke up tomorrow and your job — your title, your role, your professional identity — was completely gone, what would be left? Who would you be?

                                Connect with Bree

                                Insta: @breejohnsonofficial

                                Website: www.executiveunschool.com

                                Keywords: work identity, burnout recovery, contingent self-worth, nervous system regulation, Work Recovery Method, overachiever burnout, identity after burnout, hustle culture, executive burnout, reclaiming yourself, who am I without my job, work wounds, conscious leadership, ambitious women

                                26 min
                              • Ep. 129 Part 2: Work Isn't Working...And It's Causing Mind & Body Harm
                                How Work Is Quietly Harming You — Physically, Mentally & Emotionally

                                Part of the Work Isn't Working series on the How Good Can I Get? podcast

                                In this episode, host and former employment attorney digs past the surface-level conversation about workplace stress to expose the measurable, documented ways chronic work pressure is harming your body, reshaping your brain, and eroding your relationships.

                                From elevated cortisol and cardiovascular strain to impaired prefrontal cortex function and trauma-mirroring neurobiological patterns, this episode names what most organizations — and their EAP programs — refuse to.

                                If you've ever felt exhausted, reactive, or hollowed out after years of high performance, this conversation will reframe everything. Because the goal isn't to push through. It's to understand what your body has been trying to tell you all along.

                                Key themes

                                Chronic cortisol elevation: How sustained work stress keeps the body's stress hormone dangerously high for years — or decades.

                                • Nervous system dysregulation: Fight-or-flight as a permanent background setting — and why a beach vacation won't fix it.
                                • Cognitive impairment: Sustained pressure damages the prefrontal cortex — the very region your job demands most.
                                • Work wounds as trauma: Columbia University research links adverse workplace experiences to trauma-like neurobiological patterns.
                                • Systemic failure: Why legal systems, EAP programs, and affinity groups are bandaids — not solutions.
                                • Work recovery: The shift from pushing through to listening to what your body's wisdom is actually signaling.
                                • If this episode resonated, subscribe and leave a review — and share it with the high performer in your life who keeps saying they're "fine."

                                  Next week: why we build our identities inside our work, and what it really costs to walk away.

                                  Keywords:

                                  burnout recovery, chronic workplace stress, work stress physical effects, cortisol and burnout, nervous system dysregulation, prefrontal cortex stress, work trauma, work wounds, high performer burnout, executive burnout, Sunday scaries, emotional numbness at work

                                  Connect with Bree

                                  • Social: @breejohnsonofficial
                                  • Website: www.executiveunschool.com
                                  • Work Recovery Services: www.executiveunschool.com/services
                                  • 24 min
                                  • Ep. 128 Part 1: Work Isn't Working...And Burnout Isn't the Problem

                                    New Series: Work Isn't Working...And It's Not Just You Episode #1

                                    Burnout gets all the attention — but what if it's not actually the root problem? In this episode, host Bree Johnson digs into why treating burnout like a time management or resilience issue keeps you stuck in the same cycle, and what's really going on underneath the surface.

                                    If you've tried all the "fixes" and still feel off, this one will reframe everything.

                                    In This Episode:

                                    • Why burnout is a symptom, not the source — and what it's actually pointing to
                                    • The physiological truth about chronic workplace stress and why your body isn't overreacting
                                    • What work wounds are — and how past experiences with bullying, betrayal, burnout, and bad behavior silently shape how you work today
                                    • Why changing jobs doesn't fix the feeling (and what does)
                                    • The gap nobody names: operating like a machine in a system that rewards output, while your nervous system requires something completely different
                                    • What real recovery from work actually looks like — and why it's not about doing less
                                    • Key Takeaway

                                      You are not broken. You are responding to something real. And the moment you stop trying to fix yourself and start understanding what your system actually needs — that's when something different becomes possible.

                                      Keywords burnout recovery, workplace stress, high achiever burnout, nervous system and work, work wounds, emotional recovery from work, burnout symptoms, high performance burnout, work trauma, sustainable career

                                      Connect with Bree

                                      • Insta: @breejohnsonofficial
                                      • Website: www.executiveunschool.com
                                      • Work Recovery Services: www.executiveunschool.com/services
                                      • 15 min
                                      • Ep. 127 Stop building a life. Start living it.

                                        What if the life you've been working so hard to build is actually getting in the way of living it? In this personal episode, Bree reflects on a cultural conditioning that keeps so many of us perpetually future-focused — always planning, optimizing, and preparing — while the richness of ordinary life quietly slips by.

                                        Influenced by the recent passing of her 94-year-old grandfather, Bree shares an honest and vulnerable look at the moments she missed, the regret that followed, and the radical but simple shift she's choosing going forward: more presence, less rehearsal.

                                        Key takeaways
                                        • US culture glorifies building, not living. Unlike older cultures that emphasize experiencing life as it happens, we're conditioned to endlessly plan, optimize, and prepare for some future version of life.
                                        • Getting ahead doesn't make the list shorter. The to-do list of "getting out in front of things" never ends — it only steals presence and peace from the moment you're already in.
                                        • You don't get those moments back. Bree shares the real cost of choosing convenience over connection — and the grief that comes when you realize "next time" ran out.
                                        • Presence is the antidote to regret. The more we show up for the small, ordinary moments — with family, friends, and ourselves — the less we'll look back wishing we had.
                                        • Life doesn't need a better plan — it needs your attention. Instead of a tighter roadmap, Bree invites a guiding question: what's already here that's worth being present for?
                                        • Topics: mindfulness  ·  present moment living  ·  work-life balance  ·  grief & loss  ·  personal growth  ·  intentional living  ·  hustle culture  ·  family & relationships

                                           

                                          Connect with Bree

                                          • Insta: @breejohnsonofficial
                                          • Website: www.executiveunschool.com
                                          • Work Recovery Services: www.executiveunschool.com/services
                                          • 15 min

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                                          How Good Can It Get is a podcast for ambitious leaders, founders, and creatives who are ready to move beyond burnout, hustle culture, and surface-level success.