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  • Ep. 156 Why Grace + Discipline Belong Together

    If I give myself grace, will I lose my edge?

    Maybe you’ve wondered that too.

    If you built your career on getting everything done without complaint, letting yourself off the hook can feel like opening Pandora’s box. As an Enneagram 3, I’ve wrestled with this one for years. Part of the answer lies in how our culture rewards grit, and in what that’s taught us to call discipline.

    This episode explores:

    • How the word “discipline” got hijacked by hustle culture
    • Why so many high achievers fear that grace will make everything unravel
    • Redefining discipline as devotion to your craft, your work and yourself
    • What a missed workout teaches us about grace that gets you back up the next day
    • How to tell when grace is helping you return, and when it’s become an excuse
    • Here’s a question to sit with: what would it feel like to be held by both grace and devotion, instead of choosing between them? And if you know a woman who’s afraid to slow down because she thinks she’ll lose herself, send this episode her way.

      Curious where you are in your own work recovery? Take the Work Recovery® Audit at workrecovery.com.

      Connect with Bree

      Website: executiveunschool.com
      Instagram: @breejohnsonofficial x @executiveunschool

      14 min
    • Ep. 155 What Work Looks Like After Burnout

      After burnout, so many of us start asking when we’ll get back to normal and feel like ourselves again.

      In this episode, I give you my honest answer. You may never return to the version of you who existed before burnout... and that might be the best news.

      When you look at your patterns with radical honesty, you find things you want to change. That could be how you work, how you show up for your work, or how you separate your worth from your output. Those changes become who you are now. And yet there can be real grief in letting go of the woman who could push through anything, especially when the people around you got used to her.

      I also share where I am right now in writing my book, using a ritual of 999 words a day. That excavation has shown me a built-in “governor” I didn’t have in my chief-level years, and I’m learning to trust it.

      In this episode

      • Why “getting back to normal” may be the wrong goal after burnout
      • Grieving the version of you who could handle anything, and remembering what that capacity cost your health and your peace
      • The pushback that comes when your new boundaries affect the people around you
      • Why the urge to come back sharper and faster is an old pattern in a new flavor
      • Small kept promises that rebuild self-trust, like taking lunch away from your desk or leaving when you said you would
      • Meeting old reflexes with curiosity and grace when they come back
      • Take the Work Recovery Audit

        I worked really hard on this one. The audit helps you slow down and notice what you might be carrying from work, then maps your answers to the Work Recovery Method (Regulate, Rewire, Reclaim). It tells you which phase to start in. Take it at workrecovery.com or find it linked at executiveunschool.com. I’d love to hear what you think.

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        If this episode helped you, follow or subscribe and leave a rating. Then send it to the friend who keeps saying “I’m fine,” with a note that says, “This made me think of you.”

        Connect with Bree

        Website: executiveunschool.com
        Instagram: @breejohnsonofficial x @executiveunschool

        13 min
      • Ep. 154 Force v. Flow? How to Tell the Difference After Burnout

        I’ve wrestled with this one for years: when do I give myself grace, and when do I push through?

        After burnout, your internal alarm system can get out of whack. Some women feel like everything is forcing. Others feel so numb that nothing registers at all. No one can watch you work and tell you whether you’re in flow. You’re the instrument, and this episode helps you tune it so you can feel into what force and flow feel like for you.

        This episode explores:

        • What flow actually is, and why it needs challenge to show up
        • How forcing borrows energy from caffeine, fear and self-abandonment
        • Four questions that help you tell flow from forcing
        • The difference between the friction of growth and the friction of betraying yourself
        • Small, low-stakes check-ins that rebuild your connection with yourself after burnout
        • Here’s a question to sit with: pick one task on your list this week. Does it renew your energy, or does it borrow from somewhere you’ll have to pay back later? And if you know a woman who’s trying to find her way back after burnout, send this episode her way.

          Connect with Bree

          Website: executiveunschool.com
          Instagram: @breejohnsonofficial x @executiveunschool

          10 min
        • Ep. 153 The Wound Underneath Burnout

          When a woman comes to me after burnout, I ask her what she wants for herself. Most of the time, she can’t answer.

          Maybe you can’t either.

          She can tell you exactly what her team needs and what her boss expects. Her own desires are much harder to find. That long pause says a lot. Burnout is the work wound our culture has finally named, and underneath it, so often, is self-abandonment.

          In this episode, I share how that showed up in my own career, and why rest alone rarely heals it. This episode explores:

          • The quiet ways we override our own signals to be seen as valuable and worthy
          • How years of small overrides add up to losing contact with yourself
          • Why so many women rebuild the same burnout pattern in a new job with a new title
          • How workplaces reward self-abandonment and call it a compliment
          • Why a few days of PTO can’t rewire a lifetime of putting your needs last
          • Here’s a question to sit with: where did you first learn that your needs could wait when it comes to your work? And if someone you love keeps saying “I’m fine,” send this episode her way.

            Connect with Bree

            Website: executiveunschool.com
            Instagram: @breejohnsonofficial x @executiveunschool

            10 min
          • Ep. 152 What We Get Wrong About Burnout

            I’ve said “I’m burned out” in the same breath as “I’m tired.”

            Maybe you have too.

            In the past few episodes, we redefined growth as capacity expansion. This week, I’m looking at what happens when our capacity gets pushed past its edge for too long.

            Burnout might be the most overused word in work culture right now, and I think it’s one of the least understood. We use it as a catch-all, then take some PTO and expect a week off to fix something that took years to build.

            So in this episode, we get more precise. This episode explores:

            • How the WHO actually defines burnout, and why it’s specific to work
            • The signs of burnout that go beyond exhaustion, including cynicism and declining confidence
            • The mismatch between people and their jobs in areas like workload, control, fairness and values
            • Why the cleanup for a systemic problem keeps getting assigned to individual women
            • What I saw as an employment attorney when people changed jobs and the harm followed them
            • Here's a question to sit with: when you say you’re burned out, what do you actually mean? Getting specific is the first step toward finding your way back. And if this episode made you think of someone who’s running on empty, send it her way.

              Connect with Bree

              Website: executiveunschool.com

              Instagram: @breejohnsonofficial x @executiveunschool

              11 min
            • Ep. 151 Two Things That Actually Expand Your Capacity to Grow

              I used to believe growth came from pushing harder.

              This week, I've been redefining growth as capacity expansion: the capacity to hold more of my own truth and to stay with myself when life gets full. That definition leads to a better question. If growth is capacity, what actually expands it?

              In this episode, I share my answer in two parts.

              The first is environment. So many of us leave a job that hurt us and then keep living in the conditions that caused the hurt. When the same patterns show up again, we blame ourselves. Changing the conditions around you creates room for growth that willpower alone can't force.

              The second is the promises we keep to ourselves. As a former employment attorney, I think of these as the unspoken contracts we have with ourselves. Self-trust gets built one honored term at a time, and every small promise kept tells you that you can count on yourself. That trust is the fuel that lets you hold more.

              I also share what these two rules look like in my life right now, as physical health becomes my number one priority after some eye-opening news.

              This episode explores:

              • Why growth needs the right conditions before it needs more effort
              • How work wounds keep us stuck in old environments, even after we leave
              • Small environmental shifts you can make right where you are, without burning it all down
              • Self-trust as a contract you build with yourself, one kept promise at a time
              • Why quiet growth, like a doctor's appointment or a boundary no one notices, still counts
              • If your growth looks quiet right now, I see you. This weekend, choose one small promise to yourself that you know you'll keep. Then keep it, and notice what it feels like to be someone you can count on.

                Connect with Bree

                Website: executiveunschool.com
                Instagram: @breejohnsonofficial

                14 min
              • Ep. 150 Redefining Growth as Capacity Expansion

                I'm becoming suspicious of the way I've defined growth for most of my life.

                For 20 years, I lived inside reports. As managing partner, COO, and chief strategy officer, I watched revenue, headcount and expense trends, and the "successful" direction of every line was up. Flat meant a problem. A sharp decline meant a crisis.

                Somewhere along the way, I started measuring my own life the same way. More clients meant better. A fuller calendar meant I was growing. Anything that slowed down felt like falling behind. I carried that pattern right into my work as founder and Editor in Chief of Executive Unschool.

                This week, after so many of you responded to Wednesday's letter, I wanted to keep exploring this in real time. I don't have it all figured out.

                What I do have is a new definition that's been coming online for me over the past few months: growth as capacity expansion. Capacity to hold more of my own truth. Capacity to stay with myself when things get hard. Sometimes that means adding something, and sometimes it means clearing space.

                This episode explores:

                • The invisible architecture behind how we define growth, and how much of it comes straight from balance sheets
                • How the ABCs (agreements, beliefs, conditioning) from years of work shape what we call "success"
                • Why chasing more can be one of the sneakiest forms of self-abandonment
                • Clearing space as growth, including what I let go of before September's new moon
                • Steady seasons, flat lines and decisions made from self-trust
                • If your growth right now looks quiet or steady, or even like a season of contraction, I hope this gives you another way to measure it.

                  Ambition is beautiful. Big, audacious goals are the essence of how good it can get. Let's make sure our measures of growth include how we actually feel.

                  Connect with Bree

                  Website: executiveunschool.com
                  Instagram: @breejohnsonofficial

                  11 min
                • Ep. 149 The Part Between the Exit and What Came Next with Guest Ashlei Rolloff

                  I know what it feels like when the thing you built becomes the thing you have to leave.

                  Ashlei Rolloff got the email on her day off. The million-dollar agency she had built was being divested and spun out to her. On paper, it was a gift. Inside, it showed her how much of her worth had been tied to her VP title and her output.

                  In this episode, Ashlei shares the grief that came in waves and the very specific ways she has rebuilt since, including a sovereign morning and a last hour of the day that belongs to her alone.

                  The beauty in her story is this: the exit opened a new door, and the healing work is what let her walk through it.

                  This episode explores:

                  • What happens in the body when a work identity ruptures overnight
                  • The healing practices Ashlei layered over time
                  • Using Human Design to build a calendar that prevents burnout
                  • Early warning signs, and permission to be unapologetically you
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                    Friend, if you're in that in-between season, I hope this conversation helps you feel less alone. How good can it get?

                    Connect with Ashlei

                    Website: https://www.nerdherdpro.com
                    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashleirolloff/
                    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ashleirolloff/

                    Connect with Bree

                    Website: executiveunschool.com
                    Instagram: @breejohnsonofficial

                    41 min
                  • Ep. 148 It's So Easy to Confuse Growth with More

                    I signed up for something a few weeks ago that my body was already saying no to... and I said yes anyway.  

                    Fresh off the Growth Day Conference, I've been sitting with the word growth. Somewhere across 20-plus years of work, I started treating growth and more as the same thing. More clients, more partnerships, more posts, more speaking engagements, all stacked on top of what I already carry.  

                    Then a founder archetype survey from my fractional finance advisor stopped me cold. I'm building as three different founder archetypes, running three different businesses at once.

                    As an Enneagram 3, I believe I'm capable of a lot. Building three startups at the same time is a different question, and it explains why I can cross off half my to-do list and still end the day feeling behind.  Here's my reframe: when you choose contraction on purpose, that counts as growth too.  

                    This episode explores:  

                    • How "more" became my default definition of growth
                    • The founder archetype survey that showed me I'm building three businesses at once
                    • Why addition feels safest when we've learned to earn our worth at work
                    • What autumn teaches us about seasons of subtraction
                    • The pause I'm practicing before every yes, plus the two questions I ask in it  
                    • If you're in a season where everything you're carrying looks good on paper and still feels heavy, take one minute today. Name one area where "more" has been running the show. Then ask what would actually serve your highest good. Letting something go can be the most growth-forward move you make this fall.  

                      Connect with Bree

                      Website: executiveunschool.com

                      Instagram: @breejohnsonofficial

                      8 min
                    • Ep. 147 How Do You Know It's Time to Come Back to Yourself?

                      I've drafted email replies in my head while someone I love was telling me about the best moment of their day. Guilty.

                      Maybe you've been there too. You walk through the front door (or up the stairs, if you work from home) and realize you never actually left work. Your body is home, and your mind is still in the 3:00 meeting, rewriting what you should have said. Then the shoes and backpack in the entryway set you off, and deep down you know the shoes were never the point.

                      Research on how people recover from work shows that heavy workloads make it harder to mentally detach during time off. So the weeks you need a real break the most are the weeks your brain holds on the tightest. And with work living in our pockets, the natural boundary between the workday and the rest of your life has disappeared. We have to build that boundary ourselves.

                      In this episode, I'm sharing how to recognize the signals that it's time to reset, plus two practices that help: micro-recoveries during the day and a clean break at the end of it.

                      Listening back, here's my reframe: rest is something you build in before you feel you've earned it.

                      This episode explores:

                      • Why the moments we most need to regulate are often the moments we're least likely to notice
                      • Real-life signs you've brought work home, from the dinner-table email to the tired-but-wired scroll at 11 p.m.
                      • How your body signals it's time to reset (a clenched jaw, shoulders up by your ears, breath that stays high in your chest)
                      • Micro-recoveries: what 22 studies on short breaks reveal, and why these breaks are for you more than for your productivity
                      • Building a clean break at the end of the day, so your nervous system can learn to trust that work is done
                      • Your invitation for today is simple. Pick one signal you know shows up for you, and when you notice it, let it be your cue for a micro-recovery. Then tonight, try one clean break. You've done enough for today, friend.

                        Connect with Bree

                        Website: executiveunschool.com
                        Instagram: @breejohnsonofficial

                        11 min

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                      How Good Can It Get is a podcast for ambitious leaders, founders, and creatives who are ready to move beyond burnout, hustle culture, and surface-level success.