Charlie Uniman, your podcast host, and Pat Utz, CEO and co-founder of Abstract (https://www.abstract.us/), explore how Abstract turns legislative and regulatory noise into real-time, client-specific strategy, and why deterministic workflows beat agentic dreams for now. Pat shares candid lessons on funding, traction, hiring, and building a product that actually moves the needle.

• origins in AI research and mission to make government transparent
• proactive monitoring of bills, regulations, executive orders, and local agendas
• real-time enrichment with client context to flag risks and opportunities
• strategy layer and workflows that move from alert to outreach
• planned expansion into judicial opinions to shape case law awareness
• enterprise focus with long-term goal of a consumer version
• founder advice on VC vs bootstrapping, traction before funding, and hiring fit

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